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Post by theonlooker on May 22, 2022 13:09:44 GMT
I’ve been told it is. Which is in keeping with the mental decisions at the club. Good footballer. Good signing.
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Post by mickstupp on May 22, 2022 13:14:23 GMT
Which way are you going? It’s 20-30 minutes on the train and about the same from my experience driving. Also it’s not that simple. The closest other league club is Lincoln. Within the same distance we have loads. People aren’t going to support Lincoln or Mansfield when you have a club like Forest as close by. We have a host of massive clubs within an hour against us. A club in our own city. And a much smaller population to pick from who has more choice. I don’t get the debate. We pack the ground to capacity given anything like reasonable football so that’s the limiting factor. I’ve little doubt we would have been able to get 40,000 in the prem if we’d have increased capacity at the right time. Another disastrous decision by the owners. 😀 Jaw dropping horseshit. Even in the fantasy land you live in, you can’t seriously believe what you’ve written there surely?
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Post by pushon on May 22, 2022 13:28:33 GMT
That's extremely expensive "Gardening Leave",particularly as he's the best player a the football club. I agree he is the best player at the club but that just means they should play every card to get him to sign a longer deal or else try to bring some money in for him. Don’t let your biggest assets walk out the door for free. I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment, but he can’t be coerced into a position which he doesn't support.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 13:49:50 GMT
I’ve been told it is. Which is in keeping with the mental decisions at the club. Good footballer. Good signing. We don’t need him unless Vrancic goes though. It just encourages the manager to use him incorrectly again.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 22, 2022 14:00:33 GMT
Be a good signing I think I like Sawyers but where do you play him given the contract extensions we've already had so far? If its more of the same from last season then MON has clearly lost the plot.
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Post by hardcastle on May 22, 2022 14:17:08 GMT
I think that’s totally different. They are different towns/cities. Vale is in the same city. Without them we’d have 5k more extra season ticket holders easy and when doing well could command 35-40k crowds. The population of Nottingham is 331k. That’s way bigger than SOT. Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded. You're way off here. SoT's population is about a quarter of a million. Nottingham is appreciably bigger.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 14:27:03 GMT
Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded. You're way off here. SoT's population is about a quarter of a million. Nottingham is appreciably bigger. Yes I thought it was strange but it's what the site I looked at said (can't remember what it was)but it would seem that number is just the city of Nottingham which has quite a small boundary compared to Stoke with many residential areas lying outside the city centre and not included in those figures. It doesn't change my view though that the number of fans who actually turn up at Stoke is very low for the size of the city. In the old days in the first division despite doing considerably well I seem to remember our gates being between 18 and 25 k depending on the opposition.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 22, 2022 14:42:14 GMT
Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded. You're way off here. SoT's population is about a quarter of a million. Nottingham is appreciably bigger. I believe if you combine Stoke on Trent and NuL you’re not far off a population of about 500,000
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2022 14:48:36 GMT
You're way off here. SoT's population is about a quarter of a million. Nottingham is appreciably bigger. I believe if you combine Stoke on Trent and NuL you’re not far off a population of about 500,000 If you include Leek, Stone it's about 400,000-450, 000from memory
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 15:06:03 GMT
I don’t get the debate. We pack the ground to capacity given anything like reasonable football so that’s the limiting factor. I’ve little doubt we would have been able to get 40,000 in the prem if we’d have increased capacity at the right time. Another disastrous decision by the owners. 😀 Jaw dropping horseshit. Even in the fantasy land you live in, you can’t seriously believe what you’ve written there surely? Absolutely when we were at our best in the Prem it was impossible to get as hoc tickets in anything other than single seats which are always going to be very difficult to shift. Our party did not renew after Pulis’ final season until he was gone. I’m not sure whether it was 3 or 4 years in the South stand it took us to get seats together in our favoured location high over the half way line in the Sentinel or whatever it’s name at the time happens to be. There was plenty of scope at the time for growing our fan base if only we had the capacity. Even when we were bad in the Prem we were close to capacity, maybe the fact we were only close to capacity but not close enough in the owners eyes delayed the decision to fill a corner. Had we not succumbed to an entirely avoidable relegation I’ve no doubt we’d have outgrown our new capacity in no time.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 17:06:06 GMT
😀 Jaw dropping horseshit. Even in the fantasy land you live in, you can’t seriously believe what you’ve written there surely? Absolutely when we were at our best in the Prem it was impossible to get as hoc tickets in anything other than single seats which are always going to be very difficult to shift. Our party did not renew after Pulis’ final season until he was gone. I’m not sure whether it was 3 or 4 years in the South stand it took us to get seats together in our favoured location high over the half way line in the Sentinel or whatever it’s name at the time happens to be. There was plenty of scope at the time for growing our fan base if only we had the capacity. Even when we were bad in the Prem we were close to capacity, maybe the fact we were only close to capacity but not close enough in the owners eyes delayed the decision to fill a corner. Had we not succumbed to an entirely avoidable relegation I’ve no doubt we’d have outgrown our new capacity in no time. We hardly ever filled that new corner and ended up giving seats away to schools in my memory. Might be wrong. You're right about the early Premier years but there were two seats available after Pulis left near to us on the halfway line and for most matches they remained empty. Also the end blocks in the main stand were never full.
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2022 17:23:33 GMT
Absolutely when we were at our best in the Prem it was impossible to get as hoc tickets in anything other than single seats which are always going to be very difficult to shift. Our party did not renew after Pulis’ final season until he was gone. I’m not sure whether it was 3 or 4 years in the South stand it took us to get seats together in our favoured location high over the half way line in the Sentinel or whatever it’s name at the time happens to be. There was plenty of scope at the time for growing our fan base if only we had the capacity. Even when we were bad in the Prem we were close to capacity, maybe the fact we were only close to capacity but not close enough in the owners eyes delayed the decision to fill a corner. Had we not succumbed to an entirely avoidable relegation I’ve no doubt we’d have outgrown our new capacity in no time. We hardly ever filled that new corner and ended up giving seats away to schools in my memory. Might be wrong. You're right about the early Premier years but there were two seats available after Pulis left near to us on the halfway line and for most matches they remained empty. Also the end blocks in the main stand were never full. That was in a relegation season! If they had developed the corner summer 2011 would have been a different story
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 17:44:14 GMT
Absolutely when we were at our best in the Prem it was impossible to get as hoc tickets in anything other than single seats which are always going to be very difficult to shift. Our party did not renew after Pulis’ final season until he was gone. I’m not sure whether it was 3 or 4 years in the South stand it took us to get seats together in our favoured location high over the half way line in the Sentinel or whatever it’s name at the time happens to be. There was plenty of scope at the time for growing our fan base if only we had the capacity. Even when we were bad in the Prem we were close to capacity, maybe the fact we were only close to capacity but not close enough in the owners eyes delayed the decision to fill a corner. Had we not succumbed to an entirely avoidable relegation I’ve no doubt we’d have outgrown our new capacity in no time. We hardly ever filled that new corner and ended up giving seats away to schools in my memory. Might be wrong. You're right about the early Premier years but there were two seats available after Pulis left near to us on the halfway line and for most matches they remained empty. Also the end blocks in the main stand were never full. The corner was built too late and ST’s not available in there when early bird was released so ever likely they had to give tickets away. Then of course there was the ridiculous sustainability stance from the owners that led to no net transfer spend that Summer and us in relegation trouble before they released another twenty odd million in January to try to get out of the hole they’d dug themselves. “Ambition” what total bell ends they were. To cap it all off they found another £50M down the back of the sofa after relegation to try to get back up. A fraction of that money spent the previous Summer properly replacing Arnie and we’d never have been relegated, in fact even the money we did spend spent on goals instead of centre halves would probably have still been enough. £28M + wages on centre halves for a team that can’t score goals, I fucking ask you.
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Post by franklin on May 22, 2022 17:46:00 GMT
Not sure how accurate the site I've just looked at but it had Stoke-on-Trent population around 400k with Staffordshire at around 1.3million.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 17:53:36 GMT
Absolutely when we were at our best in the Prem it was impossible to get as hoc tickets in anything other than single seats which are always going to be very difficult to shift. Our party did not renew after Pulis’ final season until he was gone. I’m not sure whether it was 3 or 4 years in the South stand it took us to get seats together in our favoured location high over the half way line in the Sentinel or whatever it’s name at the time happens to be. There was plenty of scope at the time for growing our fan base if only we had the capacity. Even when we were bad in the Prem we were close to capacity, maybe the fact we were only close to capacity but not close enough in the owners eyes delayed the decision to fill a corner. Had we not succumbed to an entirely avoidable relegation I’ve no doubt we’d have outgrown our new capacity in no time. We hardly ever filled that new corner and ended up giving seats away to schools in my memory. Might be wrong. You're right about the early Premier years but there were two seats available after Pulis left near to us on the halfway line and for most matches they remained empty. Also the end blocks in the main stand were never full. We were a group of 4 at that time sadly now down to 3 since my Dad died. Looked at seat swap time every Summer but ther was nothing appealing. But for that experience of giving up good seats I’m not sure I’d have renewed this time. Feels very similar, team going nowhere with an overly cautious manager producing terrible football making home games a chore.
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Post by borges on May 22, 2022 18:02:56 GMT
From the pov of what we were talking about owners/money then I don’t think that matters. People not attending is a concern though and part of why MoN should be sacked. Historically considering our catchment area we've struggled to match the crowds of similar clubs - both Sheffield clubs, Derby(much smaller city), WBA, Palace, Southampton, Sunderland Wolves all have a bigger loyal regular crowds whoever the manager and however we'll they are playing. Selhurst Park and The Hawthorns are both smaller grounds than the Brit, even pre-South Stand corner.
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Post by stokesaint1 on May 22, 2022 18:21:36 GMT
As someone on here has already said but needs saying again, the players who made up our midfield this season didn't work well and why would we expect they'd work any better next season. We were frequently outplayed and outfought. We need a major change of personnel, not the same crap we've witnessed this season. Baker and Powell plus 2 new ANO's is at least the minimum requirment if we have ambitions beyond mid table mediocrity. Allen, Clucas, Thompson, Sawyers have had their chances and made no positive lasting impression. On the basis he's kept Vrancic, I can only hope that it's for back up only. That all said, maybe a different manager (please) could get a tune out of them.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 22, 2022 19:33:25 GMT
60/40 on this one, don’t think we should sign him. We might not get better but you never know, time to invest in a couple of prospects
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 19:33:37 GMT
Historically considering our catchment area we've struggled to match the crowds of similar clubs - both Sheffield clubs, Derby(much smaller city), WBA, Palace, Southampton, Sunderland Wolves all have a bigger loyal regular crowds whoever the manager and however we'll they are playing. Selhurst Park and The Hawthorns are both smaller grounds than the Brit, even pre-South Stand corner. West Brom averaged two thousand more than us this season having an almost as disappointing season after a bright start. If you don't fill your ground capacity is irrelevant. We are not in the top 25 attendances for the season with division 1 clubs, Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday above us. EDIT and Sunderland obviously
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Post by borges on May 22, 2022 20:08:45 GMT
Selhurst Park and The Hawthorns are both smaller grounds than the Brit, even pre-South Stand corner. West Brom averaged two thousand more than us this season having an almost as disappointing season after a bright start. If you don't fill your ground capacity is irrelevant. We are not in the top 25 attendances for the season with division 1 clubs, Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday above us. EDIT and Sunderland obviously And since we were both relegated in 2018, West Brom have finished in the play-offs, gone up automatically and had a season in the prem... meanwhile we've had our four lowest league finishes in the last 20 years.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 23:09:56 GMT
West Brom averaged two thousand more than us this season having an almost as disappointing season after a bright start. If you don't fill your ground capacity is irrelevant. We are not in the top 25 attendances for the season with division 1 clubs, Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday above us. EDIT and Sunderland obviously And since we were both relegated in 2018, West Brom have finished in the play-offs, gone up automatically and had a season in the prem... meanwhile we've had our four lowest league finishes in the last 20 years. And Ipswich?
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Post by Sfance on May 23, 2022 0:59:57 GMT
Be a good signing I think I like Sawyers but where do you play him given the contract extensions we've already had so far? If its more of the same from last season then MON has clearly lost the plot. I would disagree - the manager can’t lose the plot - he lost it a long time ago - and shows zero capacity to find it again.
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Post by thestatusquo on May 23, 2022 3:32:32 GMT
Having just re-signed Clucas what’s he going to do with him? I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! Yep as Bayern says we are stuck with him for at least another season unless we can get him out. He could have gone for nothing but no one came in for him. It’s just another facet of the managers transfers policy!
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Post by thestatusquo on May 23, 2022 3:34:30 GMT
Be a good signing I think I like Sawyers but where do you play him given the contract extensions we've already had so far? If its more of the same from last season then MON has clearly lost the plot. I’m not entirely sure he ever had the plot
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Post by thevoid on May 23, 2022 5:29:33 GMT
I believe if you combine Stoke on Trent and NuL you’re not far off a population of about 500,000 If you include Leek, Stone it's about 400,000-450, 000from memory What about South Cheshire (Alsager etc) and Uttox?
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Post by lordb on May 23, 2022 6:55:13 GMT
If you include Leek, Stone it's about 400,000-450, 000from memory What about South Cheshire (Alsager etc) and Uttox? Can only add to it However if adding those areas you can add other areas re other clubs catchment areas Nottingham for example has a large catchment area as do Derby
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Post by Gods on May 23, 2022 6:55:45 GMT
I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! Yep as Bayern says we are stuck with him for at least another season unless we can get him out. He could have gone for nothing but no one came in for him. It’s just another facet of the managers transfers policy! I actually thought Clucas was quite good when we first signed him. Drove forward with purpose and he could finish. I have no idea what happened, why we can no longer get a tune out of him !?
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Post by theonlooker on May 23, 2022 6:58:08 GMT
I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! It’s just another facet of the managers transfers policy! Wasn't it a bit more nuanced than that? He had a year left on his expensive deal last summer didn't he, and had a window of opportunity where he could break from it and leave for free? Wasn't it the case that Stoke gave him an extra year, quite possibly on much reduced terms to ease FFP issues because he couldn't find a free move?
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Post by thestatusquo on May 23, 2022 7:00:45 GMT
Yep as Bayern says we are stuck with him for at least another season unless we can get him out. He could have gone for nothing but no one came in for him. It’s just another facet of the managers transfers policy! I actually thought Clucas was quite good when we first signed him. Drove forward with purpose and he could finish. I have no idea what happened, why we can no longer get a tune out of him !? I guess its a combination of a couple of things. Being out for most of the season could mean his body can’t handle it anymore plus he doesn’t seem arsed most of the time when he’s on the pitch
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Post by thestatusquo on May 23, 2022 7:04:59 GMT
It’s just another facet of the managers transfers policy! Wasn't it a bit more nuanced than that? He had a year left on his expensive deal last summer didn't he, and had a window of opportunity where he could break from it and leave for free? Wasn't it the case that Stoke gave him an extra year, quite possibly on much reduced terms to ease FFP issues because he couldn't find a free move? Could be something like that but either way we are stuck with him. I guess he probably doesn’t want to be here and it’s unlikely he’ll be a regular starter. He didn’t look arsed when he featured last season to a point where you didn’t actually realise he was on the pitch!
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