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Post by gingerninja on Feb 12, 2022 19:44:00 GMT
Due back very soon, one of MON's favourites, I wonder where he will fit into this current side?.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2022 19:47:28 GMT
Understudy to Powell.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2022 19:51:37 GMT
Start him alongside Baker and you neuter Baker’s forward impulses by loading all the dirty work onto him.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 12, 2022 20:02:22 GMT
Start him alongside Baker and you neuter Baker’s forward impulses by loading all the dirty work onto him. As you said, he’d be best to play when Powell can’t. He’s a better passer of the ball, but less of a goal threat/poor defensively. Useful player when you have any three of Maja/Brown/JPB/DWP and Campbell all ahead of you though.
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Post by klingon on Feb 12, 2022 20:11:04 GMT
Start him alongside Baker and you neuter Baker’s forward impulses by loading all the dirty work onto him. As you said, he’d be best to play when Powell can’t. He’s a better passer of the ball, but less of a goal threat/poor defensively. Useful player when you have any three of Maja/Brown/JPB/DWP and Campbell all ahead of you though. Can I go on record as saying I haven’t got a fucking clue? What I do know, is that Sawyers and Baker would be a formidable couple in any EFL side. It’s just a question of who plays alongside them, and what individually they are asked to do. Is that non-committal and vague enough for everyone?
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Post by klingon on Feb 12, 2022 20:11:15 GMT
Start him alongside Baker and you neuter Baker’s forward impulses by loading all the dirty work onto him. As you said, he’d be best to play when Powell can’t. He’s a better passer of the ball, but less of a goal threat/poor defensively. Useful player when you have any three of Maja/Brown/JPB/DWP and Campbell all ahead of you though. Can I go on record as saying I haven’t got a fucking clue? What I do know, is that Sawyers and Baker would be a formidable couple in any EFL side. It’s just a question of who plays alongside them, and what individually they are asked to do. Is that non-committal and vague enough for everyone?
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 12, 2022 20:14:31 GMT
Will be interesting to see him now we have a few more interesting options in and around the front three, playing a system that will 100% suit him down to the ground.
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Post by TinkerT on Feb 12, 2022 20:56:38 GMT
For me it's him or Baker, bakers last two performances are better than any sawyers has put in in a stoke shirt.
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Post by yyy on Feb 12, 2022 21:00:23 GMT
Thing is with sawyers he's a number 8
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 12, 2022 22:42:57 GMT
He's got to start he's the 2nd best midfielder at the club.
Sawyers and Baker will tear teams apart.
We wont need to defend as much because other teams wont get the ball as much
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2022 22:49:19 GMT
He's got to start he's the 2nd best midfielder at the club. Sawyers and Baker will tear teams apart. We wont need to defend as much because other teams wont get the ball as much It doesn’t work like that.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 12, 2022 22:51:20 GMT
He's got to start he's the 2nd best midfielder at the club. Sawyers and Baker will tear teams apart. We wont need to defend as much because other teams wont get the ball as much It doesn’t work like that. We wont be giving the ball away as easily put it that way. I think Sawyers is the best passer of a ball in the squad.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 12, 2022 22:54:03 GMT
It doesn’t work like that. We wont be giving the ball away as easily put it that way. I think Sawyers is the best passer of a ball in the squad. Man City were away at one of the worst teams in the league today. They still played Fernandinho. You need a balanced side with someone still able to do the disciplined, defensive minded stuff to give the more attack-minded players a platform. Sawyers is a good passer but his off the ball stuff is non-existent and you can’t have that with one of your deeper midfielders in a 4-2-3-1.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 12, 2022 23:00:04 GMT
I'd put Sawyers ahead of Allen in this team.
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Post by george2again on Feb 13, 2022 8:22:12 GMT
As you said, he’d be best to play when Powell can’t. He’s a better passer of the ball, but less of a goal threat/poor defensively. Useful player when you have any three of Maja/Brown/JPB/DWP and Campbell all ahead of you though. Can I go on record as saying I haven’t got a fucking clue? What I do know, is that Sawyers and Baker would be a formidable couple in any EFL side. It’s just a question of who plays alongside them, and what individually they are asked to do. Is that non-committal and vague enough for everyone? If sawyers plays then Powell does not. We know he can’t do dirty work. Hope MON doesn’t cause the same problem as previously, trying to get to many creative players in. Balance is good at present.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 13, 2022 9:58:10 GMT
Can I go on record as saying I haven’t got a fucking clue? What I do know, is that Sawyers and Baker would be a formidable couple in any EFL side. It’s just a question of who plays alongside them, and what individually they are asked to do. Is that non-committal and vague enough for everyone? If sawyers plays then Powell does not. We know he can’t do dirty work. Hope MON doesn’t cause the same problem as previously, trying to get to many creative players in. Balance is good at present. We’ve nothing to lose and our best players are Baker Sawyers. Powell with Vranic as the impact sub he was at Norwich or stand in for sawyers or Powell , I believe sawyers will be here next year if we can possibly get him question us now will Bruce want him amd would he want to come on that basis
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 13, 2022 10:04:27 GMT
For me he starts on the bench and bides his time until Powell gets injured or needs resting. He hasn’t covered himself in glory since he’s been here albeit he was played mainly out of position. The annoying thing is we now have a wealth of attacking midfield options but no one to competently do the sitting midfielder job still.
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Post by Pirate on Feb 13, 2022 10:32:18 GMT
Nowhere near this team for me, doesn't run, never puts a foot in & rarely passes the ball forward, have been hugely disappointed having imagined a flair ridden creative machine when we signed him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 13, 2022 10:36:39 GMT
He’s played best when he’s operated in a wide channel on the right that’s not quite a winger and not quite a central midfielder.
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him. I think for now he’ll take Clucas of Thompson’s spot on the bench.
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Post by pmjh on Feb 13, 2022 10:40:36 GMT
Nowhere near this team for me, doesn't run, never puts a foot in & rarely passes the ball forward, have been hugely disappointed having imagined a flair ridden creative machine when we signed him. I don't think you can question his flair, it's the other stuff he doesn't do very well. As one or two other posters said he could play when Powell doesn't as a number 10 or in a midfield 3. Remove his defensive responsibilities and I think you'd see a far better player.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 13, 2022 10:41:56 GMT
He’s played best when he’s operated in a wide channel on the right that’s not quite a winger and not quite a central midfielder. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him. I think for now he’ll take Clucas of Thompson’s spot on the bench. That would be an old fashioned number 8 role then Bayern. OS.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2022 12:25:54 GMT
If sawyers plays then Powell does not. We know he can’t do dirty work. Hope MON doesn’t cause the same problem as previously, trying to get to many creative players in. Balance is good at present. We’ve nothing to lose and our best players are Baker Sawyers. Powell with Vranic as the impact sub he was at Norwich or stand in for sawyers or Powell , I believe sawyers will be here next year if we can possibly get him question us now will Bruce want him amd would he want to come on that basis You play the best balance, you don’t just cram your ‘best’ players in anywhere.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 12:43:40 GMT
Nowhere near this team for me, doesn't run, never puts a foot in & rarely passes the ball forward, have been hugely disappointed having imagined a flair ridden creative machine when we signed him. Completely agree he's a sub at best. I really don't like his game and hope we don't try to bring him in permanently.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 12:47:30 GMT
We’ve nothing to lose and our best players are Baker Sawyers. Powell with Vranic as the impact sub he was at Norwich or stand in for sawyers or Powell , I believe sawyers will be here next year if we can possibly get him question us now will Bruce want him amd would he want to come on that basis You play the best balance, you don’t just cram your ‘best’ players in anywhere. Balance seems pretty good at the moment. I'd still like a more physical specimen in place of Allen next season but bringing in Baker has made the world of difference to the balance of the midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2022 13:06:41 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2022 13:26:34 GMT
You play the best balance, you don’t just cram your ‘best’ players in anywhere. Balance seems pretty good at the moment. I'd still like a more physical specimen in place of Allen next season but bringing in Baker has made the world of difference to the balance of the midfield. Completely agree, think the side is the most balanced it’s looked for a while.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 13, 2022 15:59:03 GMT
Balance seems pretty good at the moment. I'd still like a more physical specimen in place of Allen next season but bringing in Baker has made the world of difference to the balance of the midfield. Completely agree, think the side is the most balanced it’s looked for a while. I really hope that half a season as understudy to JPB will help the development of DWP for next season as well. Having some trickery in the wide areas has been a revelation.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 13, 2022 16:00:10 GMT
He’s played best when he’s operated in a wide channel on the right that’s not quite a winger and not quite a central midfielder. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens with him. I think for now he’ll take Clucas of Thompson’s spot on the bench. Hopefully Clucas’ spot. At least Thompson attempts to pass forwards.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 13, 2022 18:10:59 GMT
We’ve nothing to lose and our best players are Baker Sawyers. Powell with Vranic as the impact sub he was at Norwich or stand in for sawyers or Powell , I believe sawyers will be here next year if we can possibly get him question us now will Bruce want him amd would he want to come on that basis You play the best balance, you don’t just cram your ‘best’ players in anywhere. Agree but I fancy sawyers baker Powell will give decent. Balance too but we will only know when we try
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2022 18:40:39 GMT
You play the best balance, you don’t just cram your ‘best’ players in anywhere. Agree but I fancy sawyers baker Powell will give decent. Balance too but we will only know when we try I don't know how you achieve balance with a player that simply refuses to take part in certain aspects of the game. Sawyers simply opts out of all physical aspects of the game. He'd have to be truly amazing on the ball to compensate for that and he just isn't.
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