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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 9:26:48 GMT
I’m a Powell fan but I still don’t think we should be allowing him into his final year with no option in our favour without him being for sale for the right money. If he doesn't want to be sold, you can't force him to go. Maybe telling him you’d refuse to select him until he signs a new deal or agrees a transfer might help focus his mind. Missing a whole season in his peak years should not be an inviting prospect.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 9:49:22 GMT
Do we? Actually through the turnstile? I thought the ground was no more than half full most matches last season so that's about 15000 most games . For a club with a recent Premier history and comparatively cheap tickets that's not decent, nor does it sound like a decent crowd.. From the pov of what we were talking about owners/money then I don’t think that matters. People not attending is a concern though and part of why MoN should be sacked. Historically considering our catchment area we've struggled to match the crowds of similar clubs - both Sheffield clubs, Derby(much smaller city), WBA, Palace, Southampton, Sunderland Wolves all have a bigger loyal regular crowds whoever the manager and however we'll they are playing.
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Post by skemstokie on May 22, 2022 9:49:27 GMT
What is the point of Saudi investment? we have multi billionaire owners already it is the rules which stop massive investment? (for some clubs) I agree that perhaps 30 /35 thousand is the absolute ceiling for Stoke at the moment, But success does draw in what we all despise "Glory hunters" i myself no longer attend through ill health (c.o.p.d.) i would if i could be confident i would not be subjected to beer throwing and flares in the concourses and last time i was there toilets running with urine and smoke filled. Just buy a seat away from the headbangers. Non of that stuff happens by us. Dunno about the bogs it’s donkeys years since I went in them. I take it you are in good health? i need to go to the toilet due to medication,as for sitting away from the headbangers do they not throw flares nowadays to create ( toxic to me)atmosphere ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 9:52:34 GMT
From the pov of what we were talking about owners/money then I don’t think that matters. People not attending is a concern though and part of why MoN should be sacked. Historically considering our catchment area we've struggled to match the crowds of similar clubs - both Sheffield clubs, Derby(much smaller city), WBA, Palace, Southampton, Sunderland Wolves all have a bigger loyal regular crowds whoever the manager and however we'll they are playing. Derby is a one club city though. If they had a Vale in Derby they’d be similar. And if we didn’t, we’d be similar. Palace? Southampton, Sunderland and Wolves, all one club cities.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 10:06:38 GMT
Just buy a seat away from the headbangers. Non of that stuff happens by us. Dunno about the bogs it’s donkeys years since I went in them. I take it you are in good health? i need to go to the toilet due to medication,as for sitting away from the headbangers do they not throw flares nowadays to create ( toxic to me)atmosphere ? Dunner come sit by us then folk getting up to go the bog and get food gets on my tits.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 10:23:57 GMT
Historically considering our catchment area we've struggled to match the crowds of similar clubs - both Sheffield clubs, Derby(much smaller city), WBA, Palace, Southampton, Sunderland Wolves all have a bigger loyal regular crowds whoever the manager and however we'll they are playing. Derby is a one club city though. If they had a Vale in Derby they’d be similar. And if we didn’t, we’d be similar. Palace? Southampton, Sunderland and Wolves, all one club cities. Forest, Burton and Notts County are all within 15 minutes drive of certain parts of Derby so they are not isolated and the population of Nottingham is less than Stoke as is the population of Leicester who also border Derbyshire. In fact where I live in Nottingham there are just as many Derby fans as Forest and non match days it takes 10 minutes max to drive to Pride Park Wolves are not far from Walsall or WBA. For their population Southampton have very close competition from Portsmouth (also historically well supported) and Bournemouth.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 22, 2022 10:29:00 GMT
We've got a bit off topic, starting the thread with Sawyers, and it's gone down the wormhole of smoke-filled urinals 😉
So, back on track, if he's available on a free, played correctly, he'd be a great addition.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 10:30:12 GMT
Derby is a one club city though. If they had a Vale in Derby they’d be similar. And if we didn’t, we’d be similar. Palace? Southampton, Sunderland and Wolves, all one club cities. Forest, Burton and Notts County are all within 15 minutes drive of certain parts of Derby so they are not isolated and the population of Nottingham is less than Stoke as is the population of Leicester who also border Derbyshire. Wolves are not far from Walsall or WBA. For their population Southampton have very close competition from Portsmouth (also historically well supported) and Bournemouth. I think that’s totally different. They are different towns/cities. Vale is in the same city. Without them we’d have 5k more extra season ticket holders easy and when doing well could command 35-40k crowds. The population of Nottingham is 331k. That’s way bigger than SOT.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 10:45:49 GMT
Forest, Burton and Notts County are all within 15 minutes drive of certain parts of Derby so they are not isolated and the population of Nottingham is less than Stoke as is the population of Leicester who also border Derbyshire. Wolves are not far from Walsall or WBA. For their population Southampton have very close competition from Portsmouth (also historically well supported) and Bournemouth. I think that’s totally different. They are different towns/cities. Vale is in the same city. Without them we’d have 5k more extra season ticket holders easy and when doing well could command 35-40k crowds. The population of Nottingham is 331k. That’s way bigger than SOT. Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 10:53:54 GMT
We've got a bit off topic, starting the thread with Sawyers, and it's gone down the wormhole of smoke-filled urinals 😉 So, back on track, if he's available on a free, played correctly, he'd be a great addition. No thanks. Too many holes in his game, makes Vrancic look combative. Very few goals in his game. Not enough pluses to balance the minuses.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 10:54:14 GMT
I think that’s totally different. They are different towns/cities. Vale is in the same city. Without them we’d have 5k more extra season ticket holders easy and when doing well could command 35-40k crowds. The population of Nottingham is 331k. That’s way bigger than SOT. Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded. Vale get 5k. That’s the population of the North Staffs conurbation. SOT itself is 256k.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 22, 2022 11:03:00 GMT
Perhaps if stoke was run like a football club i e with some care for the match day experience of supporters, with a goal of producing good football etc we might match the commitment you get from supporters of clubs from similar size cities.
We've had 6 shit years and now lost 10000 supporters, pretty typical of the shit show at this club
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 11:03:06 GMT
I think that’s totally different. They are different towns/cities. Vale is in the same city. Without them we’d have 5k more extra season ticket holders easy and when doing well could command 35-40k crowds. The population of Nottingham is 331k. That’s way bigger than SOT. Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded. And the greater Nottingham area is closer to 750k en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Urban_AreaAnd that doesn’t include Newark where I would imagine a lot of Forest fans live.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 11:13:02 GMT
Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded. And the greater Nottingham area is closer to 750k en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Urban_AreaAnd that doesn’t include Newark where I would imagine a lot of Forest fans live. It takes an hour to get from Newark to Nottingham so you would have to include areas within an hour of Stoke. The North of that urban area is probably closer to Mansfield and again take an hour's driving to reach Forest and certainly the west is very intertwined with Derby's urban area. As I say I live within half a mile of Nottingham City border but closer in terms of time and probably distance to Derby. Places like Long Eaton Ilkeston and Sandiacre I suspect identify themselves far more with Derby than Nottingham. Like it or not Stoke on Trent is not a great football supporting area in terms of numbers.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 11:23:33 GMT
Perhaps if stoke was run like a football club i e with some care for the match day experience of supporters, with a goal of producing good football etc we might match the commitment you get from supporters of clubs from similar size cities. We've had 6 shit years and now lost 10000 supporters, pretty typical of the shit show at this club Rich man’s toy. Fantasy football for billionaires. Though anyone who fantasises about what we produce wants sectioning.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 22, 2022 11:26:11 GMT
There was a thread about Romaine Sawyers round here somewhere. Anyone seen it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 11:26:26 GMT
It takes an hour to get from Newark to Nottingham so you would have to include areas within an hour of Stoke. The North of that urban area is probably closer to Mansfield and again take an hour's driving to reach Forest and certainly the west is very intertwined with Derby's urban area. As I say I live within half a mile of Nottingham City border but closer in terms of time and probably distance to Derby. Places like Long Eaton Ilkeston and Sandiacre I suspect identify themselves far more with Derby than Nottingham. Like it or not Stoke on Trent is not a great football supporting area in terms of numbers. Which way are you going? It’s 20-30 minutes on the train and about the same from my experience driving. Also it’s not that simple. The closest other league club is Lincoln. Within the same distance we have loads. People aren’t going to support Lincoln or Mansfield when you have a club like Forest as close by. We have a host of massive clubs within an hour against us. A club in our own city. And a much smaller population to pick from who has more choice.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 11:34:16 GMT
It takes an hour to get from Newark to Nottingham so you would have to include areas within an hour of Stoke. The North of that urban area is probably closer to Mansfield and again take an hour's driving to reach Forest and certainly the west is very intertwined with Derby's urban area. As I say I live within half a mile of Nottingham City border but closer in terms of time and probably distance to Derby. Places like Long Eaton Ilkeston and Sandiacre I suspect identify themselves far more with Derby than Nottingham. Like it or not Stoke on Trent is not a great football supporting area in terms of numbers. Which way are you going? It’s 20-30 minutes on the train and about the same from my experience driving. Also it’s not that simple. The closest other league club is Lincoln. Within the same distance we have loads. People aren’t going to support Lincoln or Mansfield when you have a club like Forest as close by. We have a host of massive clubs within an hour against us. A club in our own city. And a much smaller population to pick from who has more choice. I don’t get the debate. We pack the ground to capacity given anything like reasonable football so that’s the limiting factor. I’ve little doubt we would have been able to get 40,000 in the prem if we’d have increased capacity at the right time. Another disastrous decision by the owners.
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Post by pushon on May 22, 2022 11:42:53 GMT
If he doesn't want to be sold, you can't force him to go. Maybe telling him you’d refuse to select him until he signs a new deal or agrees a transfer might help focus his mind. Missing a whole season in his peak years should not be an inviting prospect. That's extremely expensive "Gardening Leave",particularly as he's the best player a the football club.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 11:50:14 GMT
It takes an hour to get from Newark to Nottingham so you would have to include areas within an hour of Stoke. The North of that urban area is probably closer to Mansfield and again take an hour's driving to reach Forest and certainly the west is very intertwined with Derby's urban area. As I say I live within half a mile of Nottingham City border but closer in terms of time and probably distance to Derby. Places like Long Eaton Ilkeston and Sandiacre I suspect identify themselves far more with Derby than Nottingham. Like it or not Stoke on Trent is not a great football supporting area in terms of numbers. Which way are you going? It’s 20-30 minutes on the train and about the same from my experience driving. Also it’s not that simple. The closest other league club is Lincoln. Within the same distance we have loads. People aren’t going to support Lincoln or Mansfield when you have a club like Forest as close by. We have a host of massive clubs within an hour against us. A club in our own city. And a much smaller population to pick from who has more choice. You'd be surprised how many Notts County fans there are. Until recently there were more County and Derby colours than Forest where I live. I assume you are talking Newark? A46, drive time at the moment (Sunday lunchtime) 44 minutes. From Mansfield 46 minutes down the A60
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 11:53:56 GMT
Which way are you going? It’s 20-30 minutes on the train and about the same from my experience driving. Also it’s not that simple. The closest other league club is Lincoln. Within the same distance we have loads. People aren’t going to support Lincoln or Mansfield when you have a club like Forest as close by. We have a host of massive clubs within an hour against us. A club in our own city. And a much smaller population to pick from who has more choice. You'd be surprised how many Notts County fans there are. Until recently there were more County and Derby colours than Forest where I live. I assume you are talking Newark? A46, drive time at the moment (Sunday lunchtime) 44 minutes. From Mansfield 46 minutes down the A60 And 20/30 minutes on the train. Again I would imagine there’s a shit load of fans there for the Nottingham clubs.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 11:55:11 GMT
You'd be surprised how many Notts County fans there are. Until recently there were more County and Derby colours than Forest where I live. I assume you are talking Newark? A46, drive time at the moment (Sunday lunchtime) 44 minutes. From Mansfield 46 minutes down the A60 And 20/30 minutes on the train. Again I would imagine there’s a shit load of fans there for the Nottingham clubs. At the moment it actually says 50 minutes by train but I guess that's stopping at all the stations on the way?
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 11:56:45 GMT
And 20/30 minutes on the train. Again I would imagine there’s a shit load of fans there for the Nottingham clubs. At the moment it actually says 50 minutes by train but I guess that's stopping at all the stations on the way? No idea about fan base there I've only ever been on school trips.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 11:57:58 GMT
And 20/30 minutes on the train. Again I would imagine there’s a shit load of fans there for the Nottingham clubs. At the moment it actually says 50 minutes by train but I guess that's stopping at all the stations on the way? Wherever you’re looking at is wrong. 13:37 from Nottingham gets into Newark at 2.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 12:00:48 GMT
At the moment it actually says 50 minutes by train but I guess that's stopping at all the stations on the way? Wherever you’re looking at is wrong. 13:37 from Nottingham gets into Newark at 2. Google maps and I was doing Newark to Forest ground so probably includes walking time from station - quite a trek
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Post by monkeycat on May 22, 2022 12:03:33 GMT
Be a good signing I think
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 12:16:34 GMT
Maybe telling him you’d refuse to select him until he signs a new deal or agrees a transfer might help focus his mind. Missing a whole season in his peak years should not be an inviting prospect. That's extremely expensive "Gardening Leave",particularly as he's the best player a the football club. I agree he is the best player at the club but that just means they should play every card to get him to sign a longer deal or else try to bring some money in for him. Don’t let your biggest assets walk out the door for free.
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Post by theonlooker on May 22, 2022 12:17:05 GMT
Be a good signing I think Done deal?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 12:43:53 GMT
Be a good signing I think Done deal? I’ve been told it is. Which is in keeping with the mental decisions at the club.
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2022 12:52:02 GMT
I think that’s totally different. They are different towns/cities. Vale is in the same city. Without them we’d have 5k more extra season ticket holders easy and when doing well could command 35-40k crowds. The population of Nottingham is 331k. That’s way bigger than SOT. Vale don't get 5k gates usually. The population of Stoke on trent 2021 is 390k. rounded. It's more like 240k NStaffs as a whole is approx 400000
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