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Post by Gary Hackett on May 21, 2022 21:34:57 GMT
Is it nailed on that he's signing for Stoke? Wherty reckons so and he's the nearest we have to Dave these days.
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Post by bringitondown on May 21, 2022 21:35:46 GMT
A smart bloke once said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results… Does that apply to supporters shouting for a managers head and expecting the owners to do anything different other than to replace him with more of the same?
I think it comes down to whether you have more faith in the manager to identify and correct his and the squads weaknesses or faith in the board to appoint somebody better. As Bayern’s alluded to, in the current set up, both seem unlikely. I’m clinging onto the hope that the manager can bring the physicality into the squad which he mentioned in his recent interview. Even then, I’m not sure his tactics are conducive to a promotion winning side. Oh well, I’ll keep turning up to Stoke expecting a different outcome… what was I saying about insanity again?
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Post by cvillestokie on May 21, 2022 21:36:28 GMT
In place of? Who do you think would put money into Stoke? We are a meh club in a meh league who cannot attract big gates despite the fact that there’s no other decent club in at least an hour radius. We get decent gates. Sunderland brought in over 30,000 this season, in league one. Stoke may get “top 6” in the Championship, but 20k incl 2-3k who don’t show up doesn’t look that impressive in the grand scheme. We expanded to 30k. Even if we got Saudi investment, I can’t see Stoke ever really pulling much more than that on a regular basis. The infrastructure isn’t there. The loose money isn’t there for the average person in the city.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2022 21:42:52 GMT
Sunderland brought in over 30,000 this season, in league one. Stoke may get “top 6” in the Championship, but 20k incl 2-3k who don’t show up doesn’t look that impressive in the grand scheme. We expanded to 30k. Even if we got Saudi investment, I can’t see Stoke ever really pulling much more than that on a regular basis. The infrastructure isn’t there. The loose money isn’t there for the average person in the city. Sunderland get bigger gates. Always have done in my lifetime. It’s one of the better ones in this league.
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Post by Gods on May 21, 2022 22:18:20 GMT
Sunderland brought in over 30,000 this season, in league one. Stoke may get “top 6” in the Championship, but 20k incl 2-3k who don’t show up doesn’t look that impressive in the grand scheme. We expanded to 30k. Even if we got Saudi investment, I can’t see Stoke ever really pulling much more than that on a regular basis. The infrastructure isn’t there. The loose money isn’t there for the average person in the city. Sunderland get bigger gates. Always have done in my lifetime. It’s one of the better ones in this league. Yep Sunderland will always get larger gates than us. Its a one club ciy and there is nothing else to do within a 100 mile radius of the place! :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 22:24:33 GMT
Sunderland brought in over 30,000 this season, in league one. Stoke may get “top 6” in the Championship, but 20k incl 2-3k who don’t show up doesn’t look that impressive in the grand scheme. We expanded to 30k. Even if we got Saudi investment, I can’t see Stoke ever really pulling much more than that on a regular basis. The infrastructure isn’t there. The loose money isn’t there for the average person in the city. Sunderland get bigger gates. Always have done in my lifetime. It’s one of the better ones in this league. One of the bigger teams in the country and have little local rivalry apart from Newcastle.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 21, 2022 22:58:05 GMT
Sign him up immediately.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 21, 2022 22:59:09 GMT
In place of? Who do you think would put money into Stoke? We are a meh club in a meh league who cannot attract big gates despite the fact that there’s no other decent club in at least an hour radius. We get decent gates. Do we? Actually through the turnstile? I thought the ground was no more than half full most matches last season so that's about 15000 most games . For a club with a recent Premier history and comparatively cheap tickets that's not decent, nor does it sound like a decent crowd..
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2022 23:47:51 GMT
Do we? Actually through the turnstile? I thought the ground was no more than half full most matches last season so that's about 15000 most games . For a club with a recent Premier history and comparatively cheap tickets that's not decent, nor does it sound like a decent crowd.. From the pov of what we were talking about owners/money then I don’t think that matters. People not attending is a concern though and part of why MoN should be sacked.
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Post by hotpot on May 22, 2022 7:38:30 GMT
I'd sign Sawyers and keep Allen, ... and trade away Vrancic, Powell and Clucas.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2022 7:56:40 GMT
I'd sign Sawyers and keep Allen, ... and trade away Vrancic, Powell and Clucas. Why?
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Post by thestatusquo on May 22, 2022 7:59:17 GMT
Having just re-signed Clucas what’s he going to do with him?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 22, 2022 8:26:45 GMT
I'd sign Sawyers and keep Allen, ... and trade away Vrancic, Powell and Clucas. Madness in a single sentence.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 8:28:14 GMT
I'd sign Sawyers and keep Allen, ... and trade away Vrancic, Powell and Clucas. Why? It’s mad but I could imagine the manager doing it.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 8:42:02 GMT
It’s mad but I could imagine the manager doing it. I think the ones he wants to keep are a bit puddled no so much the ones he wants to trade. Obviously you’d want to keep Powell ideally but I was disappointed we couldn’t tie him down for longer than the 1 year extension, so if the money was right I’d maybe go for someone longer term. He might sign again but there again he might fuck off for nowt, I don’t think we should let that happen.
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Post by skemstokie on May 22, 2022 8:44:24 GMT
Sunderland brought in over 30,000 this season, in league one. Stoke may get “top 6” in the Championship, but 20k incl 2-3k who don’t show up doesn’t look that impressive in the grand scheme. We expanded to 30k. Even if we got Saudi investment, I can’t see Stoke ever really pulling much more than that on a regular basis. The infrastructure isn’t there. The loose money isn’t there for the average person in the city. What is the point of Saudi investment? we have multi billionaire owners already it is the rules which stop massive investment? (for some clubs) I agree that perhaps 30 /35 thousand is the absolute ceiling for Stoke at the moment, But success does draw in what we all despise "Glory hunters" i myself no longer attend through ill health (c.o.p.d.) i would if i could be confident i would not be subjected to beer throwing and flares in the concourses and last time i was there toilets running with urine and smoke fiiled.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 8:46:17 GMT
It’s mad but I could imagine the manager doing it. I think the ones he wants to keep are a bit puddled no so much the ones he wants to trade. Obviously you’d want to keep Powell ideally but I was disappointed we couldn’t tie him down for longer than the 1 year extension, so if the money was right I’d maybe go for someone longer term. He might sign again but there again he might fuck off for nowt, I don’t think we should let that happen. The way he uses Powell pisses me off no end. Shunts him around the team like he’s any old player. Does it mean he thinks he’s vital so has to be shoehorned in? Or that he’s willing to play anywhere and will apply himself to do so? I’m not convinced he’s a Powell fan.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 8:49:21 GMT
Sunderland brought in over 30,000 this season, in league one. Stoke may get “top 6” in the Championship, but 20k incl 2-3k who don’t show up doesn’t look that impressive in the grand scheme. We expanded to 30k. Even if we got Saudi investment, I can’t see Stoke ever really pulling much more than that on a regular basis. The infrastructure isn’t there. The loose money isn’t there for the average person in the city. What is the point of Saudi investment? we have multi billionaire owners already it is the rules which stop massive investment? (for some clubs) I agree that perhaps 30 /35 thousand is the absolute ceiling for Stoke at the moment, But success does draw in what we all despise "Glory hunters" i myself no longer attend through ill health (c.o.p.d.) i would if i could be confident i would not be subjected to beer throwing and flares in the concourses and last time i was there toilets running with urine and smoke fiiled. Just buy a seat away from the headbangers. Non of that stuff happens by us. Dunno about the bogs it’s donkeys years since I went in them.
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Post by Gods on May 22, 2022 8:49:50 GMT
Having just re-signed Clucas what’s he going to do with him? I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 8:51:52 GMT
Having just re-signed Clucas what’s he going to do with him? I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! At the start of last season we gave him an extra year on his contract.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 8:53:05 GMT
I think the ones he wants to keep are a bit puddled no so much the ones he wants to trade. Obviously you’d want to keep Powell ideally but I was disappointed we couldn’t tie him down for longer than the 1 year extension, so if the money was right I’d maybe go for someone longer term. He might sign again but there again he might fuck off for nowt, I don’t think we should let that happen. The way he uses Powell pisses me off no end. Shunts him around the team like he’s any old player. Does it mean he thinks he’s vital so has to be shoehorned in? Or that he’s willing to play anywhere and will apply himself to do so? I’m not convinced he’s a Powell fan. I’m a Powell fan but I still don’t think we should be allowing him into his final year with no option in our favour without him being for sale for the right money.
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Post by Gods on May 22, 2022 8:53:48 GMT
I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! At the start of last season we gave him an extra year on his contract. Oh okay, thanks, got it!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 8:58:27 GMT
Having just re-signed Clucas what’s he going to do with him? I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! What? You don’t remember him whoring himself around last Summer then signing reduced terms for an extra year. Allen’s doing it now but if you’re foreign and want to explore your options you get ostracised.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 9:00:38 GMT
I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! What? You don’t remember him whoring himself around last Summer then signing reduced terms for an extra year. Allen’s doing it now but if you’re foreign and want to explore your options you get ostracised. He was told he could leave if he could find a club. A bit different 😂
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Post by shakermaker on May 22, 2022 9:03:55 GMT
The way he uses Powell pisses me off no end. Shunts him around the team like he’s any old player. Does it mean he thinks he’s vital so has to be shoehorned in? Or that he’s willing to play anywhere and will apply himself to do so? I’m not convinced he’s a Powell fan. I’m a Powell fan but I still don’t think we should be allowing him into his final year with no option in our favour without him being for sale for the right money. I would say that if we use Sawyers the right way, he is arguably as valuable an asset as Powell is. MON just doesn’t like 4-2-3-1, which is Powell’s best position as a No 10. But a 3-man midfield with Baker and Sawyers alongside a solid, physical DCM who breaks up attacks will allow Sawyers to counter forward as a No 8. That DCM acquisition this summer is vital. And not by resigning Allen either!
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Post by Gods on May 22, 2022 9:10:19 GMT
I've missed something. We've resigned Clucas??!! What? You don’t remember him whoring himself around last Summer then signing reduced terms for an extra year. Allen’s doing it now but if you’re foreign and want to explore your options you get ostracised. It was the word 'just' that fooled me, it is not normally used the describe something which happened a year ago!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 9:16:19 GMT
I’m a Powell fan but I still don’t think we should be allowing him into his final year with no option in our favour without him being for sale for the right money. I would say that if we use Sawyers the right way, he is arguably as valuable an asset as Powell is. MON just doesn’t like 4-2-3-1, which is Powell’s best position as a No 10. But a 3-man midfield with Baker and Sawyers alongside a solid, physical DCM who breaks up attacks will allow Sawyers to counter forward as a No 8. That DCM acquisition this summer is vital. And not by resigning Allen either! I’d still prefer Powell everyday in that system. Even though I’d sell Powell for the right offer due to his contract situation I wouldn’t want to replace him with Sawyers as he’s a liability without the ball and even more suited to 4-2-3-1 than Powell because of his nil contribution without the ball. Powell is much more suited to numerous roles I just don’t think you can allow for a non combatant in a 3 in this league.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 22, 2022 9:17:02 GMT
I’m a Powell fan but I still don’t think we should be allowing him into his final year with no option in our favour without him being for sale for the right money. I would say that if we use Sawyers the right way, he is arguably as valuable an asset as Powell is. MON just doesn’t like 4-2-3-1, which is Powell’s best position as a No 10. But a 3-man midfield with Baker and Sawyers alongside a solid, physical DCM who breaks up attacks will allow Sawyers to counter forward as a No 8. That DCM acquisition this summer is vital. And not by resigning Allen either! The difference being that Powell is a proven commodity where Sawyers isn't for us yet. That also depends on us signing the kind of midfielder the manager apparently doesn't think we need.
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Post by pushon on May 22, 2022 9:19:39 GMT
The way he uses Powell pisses me off no end. Shunts him around the team like he’s any old player. Does it mean he thinks he’s vital so has to be shoehorned in? Or that he’s willing to play anywhere and will apply himself to do so? I’m not convinced he’s a Powell fan. I’m a Powell fan but I still don’t think we should be allowing him into his final year with no option in our favour without him being for sale for the right money. If he doesn't want to be sold, you can't force him to go.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 9:23:40 GMT
I would say that if we use Sawyers the right way, he is arguably as valuable an asset as Powell is. MON just doesn’t like 4-2-3-1, which is Powell’s best position as a No 10. But a 3-man midfield with Baker and Sawyers alongside a solid, physical DCM who breaks up attacks will allow Sawyers to counter forward as a No 8. That DCM acquisition this summer is vital. And not by resigning Allen either! The difference being that Powell is a proven commodity where Sawyers isn't for us yet. That also depends on us signing the kind of midfielder the manager apparently doesn't think we need. Still can’t see how a creative force who can’t head it and won’t put his foot in is better in that system than one that will and scores goals to boot. When Sawyers is the answer I’m really not sure what the question is.
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