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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 22:00:00 GMT
And you specifically linked it to the new footage. Which (as I've just said) changes nothing in my book. I said I didn’t see you call the solicitor a 🛎️ end before it came to light If the footage doesn't change anything, how can it change my opinion of the solicitor? This is now the third time, I've needed to explain it to you.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 22:00:52 GMT
Loving the outfits the female divers are wearing, right up their crack most of em. Oops wrong thread Should be more diving on the tele Plenty of diving on here, diving straight into the first Twitter post that suits their agenda
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Post by Gods on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:00 GMT
It was a clear attack. Some may even call it a racist attack, it does work both ways. It's clear you are happy for this disregard of the police to take place. The attack was nullified though, one had been tazered to the ground and the other one was sitting on a seat with his hands on his head. AT THAT POINT there was no need for the copper to do what he did. In the end this kiddie has to think that anywhere else in the world he would have got a bullet in the head and treat this as a result and move on.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:18 GMT
Except one has a sword and the other has a machine gun. The police have significantly more power than he does. If it was a fair fight, the police would have lost, at least if the video is anything to go by. That would have made you happy ? I cannot believe that you're defending scum who attacked the police like they did at an airport That's what is referred to as a straw man argument... Where have I defended them? I've repeatedly said that they both need a lengthy jail sentence. The police officer also needs to face repercussions though. You cannot behave like he did.
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Post by butlerstbob on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:28 GMT
It looked like the situation WAS under control. Brother 1 was flat out, face down on the floor and brother 2 was sat on the seat with his hands on his head. If he was still worried the situation wasn't under control, he could have withdrawn his firearm and told the lad not to move until his colleagues had cuffed him. They are police officers, who were coming under a sustained attack. You may be happy that some people have no fear of the police but others aren't. The big issue here is (i'll say it again) They are police officers, who were coming under a sustained attack, FFS man wake up. They also didn't have the benefit of watching it all on twitter several times over from several angles to dissect the situation then make there mind up about the Very dangerous unfolding situation they were up their neck in! It's so easy for some folk on here to tell us what should have happened in a perfect world!
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Post by wannabee on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:38 GMT
I think their solicitor is a complete bell end, if I'm honest. Nobody in their right mind would think any different. I think bell end is an understatement. Dangerous I’d say in the current climate. Would you not agree? As you know, I’m a “bellend” but I don’t go around inciting racial hatred on a national level. Not that I know of anyway I'm in awe that you have been the voice of reason and called it throughout this thread including you being a bellend You've called it simply and correctly The two brothers should be facing a stretch for causing an affray The Firearms Officer should be dismissed and will be lucky to avoid a stretch The scumbag Lawyer should at a minimum face a reprimand from the Solicitors Council preferably resulting in him being struck off if no criminal charges can be laid against him Correct the above as required
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 27, 2024 22:02:46 GMT
I said I didn’t see you call the solicitor a 🛎️ end before it came to light If the footage doesn't change anything, how can it change my opinion of the solicitor? This is now the third time, I've needed to explain it to you. Nobody has a clue about your feelings on the solicitor until you’ve expressed them tonight,that’s my point.
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Post by henry on Jul 27, 2024 22:03:22 GMT
Should be more diving on the tele Plenty of diving on here, diving straight into the first Twitter post that suits their agenda Where is Huddy BTW ?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 27, 2024 22:05:01 GMT
Nobody in their right mind would think any different. I think bell end is an understatement. Dangerous I’d say in the current climate. Would you not agree? As you know, I’m a “bellend” but I don’t go around inciting racial hatred on a national level. Not that I know of anyway I'm in awe that you have been the voice of reason and called it throughout this thread including you being a bellend You've called it simply and correctly The two brothers should be facing a stretch for causing an affray The Firearms Officer should be dismissed and will be lucky to avoid a stretch The scumbag Lawyer should at a minimum face a reprimand from the Solicitors Council preferably resulting in him being struck off if no criminal charges can be laid against him Correct the above as required In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed badger is king 👑
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 22:05:42 GMT
Plenty of diving on here, diving straight into the first Twitter post that suits their agenda Where is Huddy BTW ? Probably trying to get back from Corbyns counter protest by rail but his mate Mick Lynch has him eating a BLT sandwich in Watford😉
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 22:05:47 GMT
Sounds simple but not as easy as it may seem particularly having witnessed the extreme violence the male used during the initial incident. If you’d tried to cuff him from the rear he could have kicked back at you or flicked his head back and butted you. The only reason the guy was lying prone was because he’d fallen after attacking the officer. Up till then he wasn’t for stopping with his violence. If you were a firearms officer and you were wanting to cuff him what would you have done with the gun you were holding? If you were bending down to cuff him could you be putting yourself and others at risk by having him to close to you and potentially your firearm particularly if you were on your own and other officers were dealing with others involved. There is a potential one on one he could overpower you. He may have been looking defenceless but he’s already proved he’s capable of extreme violence and you’d have to think about your safety arc whilst restraining him. Apologies if I am wrong here, but is it just me who thinks the reason he is lying prone is because he has already been tasered by the female officer? Look again at the original footage showing the kick, you can see the line running from her taser. Look again at the new footage, he falls after the officer appears to taser him. Again ... That makes him incapacitated. The only reason the kick might have been justified would have been if he was an imminent threat but it's pretty obvious that by the time he was prone, he wasn't. Like I've said.... It was an opportunity for a nasty bully to hit back at someone who had been just as vicious. Two wrongs don't make a right and all three need to go to jail imo. The two other officers deserve respect, praise and whatever compensation you get for being badly injured while in uniform.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 22:06:40 GMT
I'm in awe that you have been the voice of reason and called it throughout this thread including you being a bellend You've called it simply and correctly The two brothers should be facing a stretch for causing an affray The Firearms Officer should be dismissed and will be lucky to avoid a stretch The scumbag Lawyer should at a minimum face a reprimand from the Solicitors Council preferably resulting in him being struck off if no criminal charges can be laid against him Correct the above as required In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed badger is king 👑 I’m amazed people don’t take my words of wisdom seriously on here tbh🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 22:06:58 GMT
If the footage doesn't change anything, how can it change my opinion of the solicitor? This is now the third time, I've needed to explain it to you. Nobody has a clue about your feelings on the solicitor until you’ve expressed them tonight,that’s my point. And?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 22:07:51 GMT
Nobody in their right mind would think any different. I think bell end is an understatement. Dangerous I’d say in the current climate. Would you not agree? As you know, I’m a “bellend” but I don’t go around inciting racial hatred on a national level. Not that I know of anyway I'm in awe that you have been the voice of reason and called it throughout this thread including you being a bellend You've called it simply and correctly The two brothers should be facing a stretch for causing an affray The Firearms Officer should be dismissed and will be lucky to avoid a stretch The scumbag Lawyer should at a minimum face a reprimand from the Solicitors Council preferably resulting in him being struck off if no criminal charges can be laid against him Correct the above as required Spot on. Edit: sans the part about hartshillbadger being a bellend. I don't think anyone on this forum is truly a bellend plenty worse people in the world than you'll find on here.
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Post by henry on Jul 27, 2024 22:09:05 GMT
Probably trying to get back from Corbyns counter protest by rail but his mate Mick Lynch has him eating a BLT sandwich in Watford😉 Rumour round Chell Heath is he's cut one of his ears off and thrown pumpkin soup over himself.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 22:09:48 GMT
Probably trying to get back from Corbyns counter protest by rail but his mate Mick Lynch has him eating a BLT sandwich in Watford😉 Rumour round Chell Heath is he's cut one of his ears off and thrown pumpkin soup over himself. 🤣
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2024 22:10:29 GMT
Same as crouchpotato then? Ridicule ... Sorry my wife was talking to me so I had to type something hurriedly and it’s all I could think of. Handcuffing one to one can be dangerous potentially as seen here especially if your doing it solo and the arrested party doesn’t want to come easily In relation to tasering the shock only lasts 5 seconds and the male could potentially fully recover immediately so offer an immediate threat again soon after even if he may appear lifeless at the time As I said there’s a lot of factors to consider when there’s so much going on and everything’s very paced but having seen him in action I’d be looking for 1 or 2 more officers to support me because the males clearly displayed acts of extreme violence and though prone he’s a clear danger particularly if I have a firearm. The last thing I’d be wanting to do is bending down with him in close proximity to a firearm and my hands tied up with handcuffs. With 2 to 3 officers controlling him it’s actually safer to restrain as it should give more control and less struggling particularly if you use pressure points. Of course that’s not always possible. The officers response did look excessive and that’s for him to explain but he was there and we weren’t so we don’t know what was going through his head. In relation to the video that came out today what were your thoughts of the males conduct (not the officers)? From what I’ve seen you’ve only commented on the actions of the police to date.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 27, 2024 22:12:01 GMT
Probably trying to get back from Corbyns counter protest by rail but his mate Mick Lynch has him eating a BLT sandwich in Watford😉 😆 sorry hudds but that made me guffaw 😃
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 22:13:03 GMT
Probably trying to get back from Corbyns counter protest by rail but his mate Mick Lynch has him eating a BLT sandwich in Watford😉 😆 sorry hudds but that made me guffaw 😃 Was just about to apologise to Huddy tbf for name checking him when he’s “offline”. I’m sure he will have an equally witty retort
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 27, 2024 22:14:46 GMT
I'm in awe that you have been the voice of reason and called it throughout this thread including you being a bellend You've called it simply and correctly The two brothers should be facing a stretch for causing an affray The Firearms Officer should be dismissed and will be lucky to avoid a stretch The scumbag Lawyer should at a minimum face a reprimand from the Solicitors Council preferably resulting in him being struck off if no criminal charges can be laid against him Correct the above as required Spot on. Edit: sans the part about hartshillbadger being a bellend. I don't think anyone on this forum is truly a bellend plenty worse people in the world than you'll find on here. I am.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 27, 2024 22:15:34 GMT
Probably trying to get back from Corbyns counter protest by rail but his mate Mick Lynch has him eating a BLT sandwich in Watford😉 😆 sorry hudds but that made me guffaw 😃 Vegan bacon surely.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 22:16:08 GMT
Spot on. Edit: sans the part about hartshillbadger being a bellend. I don't think anyone on this forum is truly a bellend plenty worse people in the world than you'll find on here. I am. Naaaaah
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 22:19:00 GMT
Same as crouchpotato then? Ridicule ... Sorry my wife was talking to me so I had to type something hurriedly and it’s all I could think of. Handcuffing one to one can be dangerous potentially as seen here especially if your doing it solo and the arrested party doesn’t want to come easily In relation to tasering the shock only lasts 5 seconds and the male could potentially fully recover immediately so offer an immediate threat again soon after even if he may appear lifeless at the time As I said there’s a lot of factors to consider when there’s so much going on and everything’s very paced but having seen him in action I’d be looking for 1 or 2 more officers to support me because the males clearly displayed acts of extreme violence and though prone he’s a clear danger particularly if I have a firearm. The last thing I’d be wanting to do is bending down with him in close proximity to a firearm and my hands tied up with handcuffs. With 2 to 3 officers controlling him it’s actually safer to restrain as it should give more control and less struggling particularly if you use pressure points. Of course that’s not always possible. The officers response did look excessive and that’s for him to explain but he was there and we weren’t so we don’t know what was going through his head. In relation to the video that came out today what were your thoughts of the males conduct (not the officers)? He wasn't alone though was he? As I said further up the thread, if he wasn't confident the situation was under control, he could have withdrawn his firearm and told the lad to comply whilst his colleagues cuffed him. I've heard copper after copper over the last 48 hours condemning his actions, saying what he did shames the entire force and there are strict protocols that they are trained to adhere to in such situations. My thoughts on today's video are the same as they've been from the start, it changes absolutely nothing, I'm not sure what people were hoping for, that would somehow justify the actions of the out of control copper.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2024 22:19:35 GMT
The sickening individuals physically attacking the police officers deserve lashings and a 5 year sentence as a minimum.
As God's rightly points out, they can count themselves incredibly fortunate they've not been shot dead.
Forget the police officer in question for now, we should be focusing solely on the severity of the punishment for those attacking the police officers prior to any police investigation.
After reviewing the footage further am I right in saying one of the officers that was punched and knocked to the ground was female?
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Post by chamberlain on Jul 27, 2024 22:29:06 GMT
The sickening individuals physically attacking the police officer deserve lashings and a 5 year sentence as a minimum. As God's rightly points out, they can count themselves incredibly fortunate they've not been shot dead. Forget the police officer in question for now, we should be focusing solely on the severity of the punishment for those attacking the police officers prior to any police investigation. After reviewing the footage further am I right in saying one of the officers that was punched and knocked to the ground was female? Spot on , but the usual suspects disect everything and support the wrong side . I've criticised the police plenty of times but I wouldn't want to do their job they are on a hiding to nothing.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2024 22:33:18 GMT
Sorry my wife was talking to me so I had to type something hurriedly and it’s all I could think of. Handcuffing one to one can be dangerous potentially as seen here especially if your doing it solo and the arrested party doesn’t want to come easily In relation to tasering the shock only lasts 5 seconds and the male could potentially fully recover immediately so offer an immediate threat again soon after even if he may appear lifeless at the time As I said there’s a lot of factors to consider when there’s so much going on and everything’s very paced but having seen him in action I’d be looking for 1 or 2 more officers to support me because the males clearly displayed acts of extreme violence and though prone he’s a clear danger particularly if I have a firearm. The last thing I’d be wanting to do is bending down with him in close proximity to a firearm and my hands tied up with handcuffs. With 2 to 3 officers controlling him it’s actually safer to restrain as it should give more control and less struggling particularly if you use pressure points. Of course that’s not always possible. The officers response did look excessive and that’s for him to explain but he was there and we weren’t so we don’t know what was going through his head. In relation to the video that came out today what were your thoughts of the males conduct (not the officers)? He wasn't alone though was he? As I said further up the thread, if he wasn't confident the situation was under control, he could have withdrawn his firearm and told the lad to comply whilst his colleagues cuffed him. I've heard copper after copper over the last 48 hours condemning his actions, saying what he did shames the entire force and there are strict protocols that they are trained to adhere to in such situations. My thoughts on today's video are the same as they've been from the start, it changes absolutely nothing, I'm not sure what people were hoping for, that would somehow justify the actions of the out of control copper. He should be dealt with fairly and if it’s deemed he used excessive force as looks likely given appropriate punishment. What were your thoughts re the brothers behaviour? Do you think that perhaps if they’d been sensible then this and the protests and all the aftermath, dodgy lawyer being involved could have been avoided. No one’s excusing the officers conduct but they were the catalyst and one of them’s responsible for breaking a females nose. From what I saw there was no heavy handed policing when they were initially approached.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 27, 2024 22:38:46 GMT
He wasn't alone though was he? As I said further up the thread, if he wasn't confident the situation was under control, he could have withdrawn his firearm and told the lad to comply whilst his colleagues cuffed him. I've heard copper after copper over the last 48 hours condemning his actions, saying what he did shames the entire force and there are strict protocols that they are trained to adhere to in such situations. My thoughts on today's video are the same as they've been from the start, it changes absolutely nothing, I'm not sure what people were hoping for, that would somehow justify the actions of the out of control copper. He should be dealt with fairly and if it’s deemed he used excessive force as looks likely given appropriate punishment. What were your thoughts re the brothers behaviour? Do you think that perhaps if they’d been sensible then this and the protests and all the aftermath, dodgy lawyer being involved could have been avoided. No one’s excusing the officers conduct but they were the catalyst and one of them’s responsible for breaking a females nose. From what I saw there was no heavy handed policing when they were initially approached. You might not have seen it but I was asked this question earlier in the thread Cobs. I think your question is moot. If people didn't break the law, then we wouldn't need the police at all, would we? WHATEVER happened earlier, wasn't ever going to justify what the copper did. Indeed if he hadn't done what he did, then we wouldn't be remotely discussing these events at all, as we almost certainly wouldn't even know about them.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 27, 2024 22:45:41 GMT
The sickening individuals physically attacking the police officers deserve lashings and a 5 year sentence as a minimum. As God's rightly points out, they can count themselves incredibly fortunate they've not been shot dead. Forget the police officer in question for now, we should be focusing solely on the severity of the punishment for those attacking the police officers prior to any police investigation. After reviewing the footage further am I right in saying one of the officers that was punched and knocked to the ground was female? To be fair i’ve been impressed by some of the posts from Wanabee and Metalhead in particular tonight and though we’ve not always agreed in the past they’ve been very fair in their assessments of the 2 males behaviours and the punishments they should receive whilst not condoning the actions of the officer but praising some of the others. I just don’t get that some still seem obsessed about the incident being all about the officer and not the behaviour of the 2 thugs whose behaviour it’s impossible to condone having now seen the latest footage. I’m hoping that those protesting in Rochdale previously don’t have the same blinkered view and see it for what it is 2 thugs who need a very harsh sentence for what they’ve done and an officer that needs to face a full investigation around his conduct and not a racist incident started by the actions of the 2 males. I’d like to think that if the first video had been shown from the start things would have been different and the community tensions wouldn’t have occurred.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2024 22:47:30 GMT
The sickening individuals physically attacking the police officers deserve lashings and a 5 year sentence as a minimum. As God's rightly points out, they can count themselves incredibly fortunate they've not been shot dead. Forget the police officer in question for now, we should be focusing solely on the severity of the punishment for those attacking the police officers prior to any police investigation. After reviewing the footage further am I right in saying one of the officers that was punched and knocked to the ground was female? To be fair i’ve been impressed by some of the posts from Wanabee and Metalhead in particular tonight and though we’ve not always agreed in the past they’ve been very fair in their assessments of the 2 males behaviours and the punishments they should receive whilst not condoning the actions of the officer but praising some of the others. I just don’t get that some still seem obsessed about the incident being all about the officer and not the behaviour of the 2 thugs whose behaviour it’s impossible to condone having now seen the latest footage. I’m hoping that those protesting in Rochdale previously don’t have the same blinkered view and see it for what it is 2 thugs who need a very harsh sentence for what they’ve done and an officer that needs to face a full investigation around his conduct and not a racist incident started by the actions of the 2 males. I’d like to think that if the first video had been shown from the start things would have been different and the community tensions wouldn’t have occurred. They would
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Post by metalhead on Jul 27, 2024 22:47:46 GMT
He wasn't alone though was he? As I said further up the thread, if he wasn't confident the situation was under control, he could have withdrawn his firearm and told the lad to comply whilst his colleagues cuffed him. I've heard copper after copper over the last 48 hours condemning his actions, saying what he did shames the entire force and there are strict protocols that they are trained to adhere to in such situations. My thoughts on today's video are the same as they've been from the start, it changes absolutely nothing, I'm not sure what people were hoping for, that would somehow justify the actions of the out of control copper. He should be dealt with fairly and if it’s deemed he used excessive force as looks likely given appropriate punishment. What were your thoughts re the brothers behaviour? Do you think that perhaps if they’d been sensible then this and the protests and all the aftermath, dodgy lawyer being involved could have been avoided. No one’s excusing the officers conduct but they were the catalyst and one of them’s responsible for breaking a females nose. From what I saw there was no heavy handed policing when they were initially approached. You're not wrong. The two lads are the aggressors from the start and in a perfect world, they'll be seeing jail time. The officer needs his day in court as well though. We've seen plenty of police brutality against people who really weren't aggressive. Ian Tomlinson comes to mind. It's time to really stamp that shit out. The greasy lawyers going to play as many cards as he can. Wonder if any stick...?
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