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Post by elystokie on Mar 1, 2024 8:10:09 GMT
Virtually impossible to stamp out completely I'd have thought. An obvious first step for me would be to take away the vast amounts of money these gangs are making by legalising and regulating drugs like we do alcohol. From what I've seen on numerous TV police reality shows it would also free up an enormous amount of police time. I agree imho it would be impossible to stop a good person can turn bad and a bad person can turn good we have to be careful not to cripple the Police with vetting because its only applicable at the time unless we do it yearly 🤷♂️ True and I don't doubt these gangs have various methods of encouraging compliance in various ways. I've ruminated before about what my actions would be should I be in the shoes of an officer whose family were under threat from an OCG, horrendous position to be in. The attitude of the officers I see on these programs generally seems to be that they're proud of the results when they get them, quite rightly, but a lot are aware that they're fighting a losing battle, have I read it right d'you think?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2024 8:35:23 GMT
After listening to Neil Woods speak at a conference a couple of years ago it seemed it was more widespread than I imagined tbh. He may have been being paranoid (in his shoes I would have been, his life was in danger much of the time) or overstating for effect, I suppose we'll never know. In his opinion tho it wasn't unheard of for organised crime gangs to have someone join the force with the intention of having one of their own on the inside, he had only one contact in the force he trusted when he was working undercover. Power and money always corrupts, police, politics in the business world it always happens and again it would be virtually impossible to "stop" I heard a little of the publication of this report and it was that they could not rule out there being another cousins type which I agree with but for context there is no way to rule out another Shipman or Letby so how we deal with these incidents is very difficult and I'm not sure how if im honest. Excellent couple of posts. I think it’s fair to say it’s impossible to stop everyone, especially those that are good at hiding there evil secret side until inevitably it’s too late. In the case of Cousins it’s clear that opportunities to stop him were missed and those that were responsible have to be held accountable for there decisions. That said picking out a bad apple probably isn’t as easy or obvious on the basis of an interview or application form if nothings flagged which is the stage they’d be recruited particularly in the Met where as Franklin said they need to get bums on seats. In the past there’s been plenty of serial killers that have lead normal lives, were married holding down jobs and slipped through the net only only for them to kill multiple times. In the case of Sutcliffe even his wife didn’t know. For me I think a simple solution would be yearly psychological checks for officers particularly those on the front line. That way officers could be monitored and flagged up if concerns are raised around there behaviour by a professional (not a line manager who may not spot the signs as well). There’s far more chance of catching the likes of Cousens and Carrick early on that way than the initial stage (though there colleagues need to take some responsibility too if there are signs). In the case of Cousins he’s manipulated the role for his evil needs however I’m sure there are many more officers that have been mentally affected and changed by experience and have soldiered on because they felt they’d had to when they’re probably suffered from PSD which is why the support needs to be put in place before the pressure takes it’s toll and they react badly to a situation and snap. I’m sure there’s plenty of officers that aren’t the same person they were before they joined the police and that because of the trauma they’ve encountered (whether it’s having to support a family who’s child’s died, being badly beaten up on numerous occasions, dealing with suicide, trying to save someone from drowning, administering CPR unsuccessfully, being constantly told what they are when all they’re trying to do is help people (the vast majority do)) they’ve changed markedly. Those people/Officers need the support too.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 3, 2024 13:14:20 GMT
Power and money always corrupts, police, politics in the business world it always happens and again it would be virtually impossible to "stop" I heard a little of the publication of this report and it was that they could not rule out there being another cousins type which I agree with but for context there is no way to rule out another Shipman or Letby so how we deal with these incidents is very difficult and I'm not sure how if im honest. Excellent couple of posts. I think it’s fair to say it’s impossible to stop everyone, especially those that are good at hiding there evil secret side until inevitably it’s too late. In the case of Cousins it’s clear that opportunities to stop him were missed and those that were responsible have to be held accountable for there decisions. That said picking out a bad apple probably isn’t as easy or obvious on the basis of an interview or application form if nothings flagged which is the stage they’d be recruited particularly in the Met where as Franklin said they need to get bums on seats. In the past there’s been plenty of serial killers that have lead normal lives, were married holding down jobs and slipped through the net only only for them to kill multiple times. In the case of Sutcliffe even his wife didn’t know. For me I think a simple solution would be yearly psychological checks for officers particularly those on the front line. That way officers could be monitored and flagged up if concerns are raised around there behaviour by a professional (not a line manager who may not spot the signs as well). There’s far more chance of catching the likes of Cousens and Carrick early on that way than the initial stage (though there colleagues need to take some responsibility too if there are signs). In the case of Cousins he’s manipulated the role for his evil needs however I’m sure there are many more officers that have been mentally affected and changed by experience and have soldiered on because they felt they’d had to when they’re probably suffered from PSD which is why the support needs to be put in place before the pressure takes it’s toll and they react badly to a situation and snap. I’m sure there’s plenty of officers that aren’t the same person they were before they joined the police and that because of the trauma they’ve encountered (whether it’s having to support a family who’s child’s died, being badly beaten up on numerous occasions, dealing with suicide, trying to save someone from drowning, administering CPR unsuccessfully, being constantly told what they are when all they’re trying to do is help people (the vast majority do)) they’ve changed markedly. Those people/Officers need the support too. On the 3rd Anniversary of Sarah Everard's Rape and Murder, Sky requested under FOI how many Police Officers have been convicted in the interim 3 years. Only 19 of the 48 Police Forces replied but of those that did 119 Bad Apples were found Dozens of police officers across the UK have been convicted of crimes including rape, sexual assault and sex offences against children in the three years since the murder of Sarah Everard, new data shows. Officers have also been convicted of assault, possession of indecent images, harassment and controlling and coercive behaviour At least 16 officers were convicted of assault or battery. Nine were convicted of rape or sexual assault, with one also convicted of attempted rape, the forces revealed. Four were convicted with sexual offences against children, including causing or inciting a child to engage in a sexual act, engaging in sexual communication with a child and sexual exposure to a minor. Some 13 officers were convicted of possession or making of indecent images, four were convicted of possession of extreme pornographic imagery; two were convicted of fraud; two of controlling and coercive behaviour; one of harassment, and one of grievous bodily harm. Obviously the numbers are likely to be much higher as 29 Police Forces didn't respond saying it would take too long to gather the information as obviously they don't do it routinely. The Met made no response at all. news.sky.com/story/dozens-of-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-including-rape-and-sexual-assault-since-sarah-everards-murder-13086063?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 4, 2024 18:54:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68466660An interesting article. Just demonstrates how awful it was when those investigating the horrific murder of Sarah Everard found out that the piece of filth Cousens worked for the same organisation as they do. Having a few friends who work for the Met I can confirm that every one of them hates him and what he did. His actions have made what is already a very difficult job 100 times more difficult due to the loss of trust he and the equally vile Carricks actions had on the public.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 4, 2024 19:22:06 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68466660An interesting article. Just demonstrates how awful it was when those investigating the horrific murder of Sarah Everard found out that the piece of filth Cousens worked for the same organisation as they do. Having a few friends who work for the Met I can confirm that every one of them hates him and what he did. His actions have made what is already a very difficult job 100 times more difficult due to the loss of trust he and the equally vile Carricks actions had on the public. What do you think it says about the Recruitment, Vetting and Culture of Met Police when a year after Couzens was convicted of Rape and Murder they said this to the Dame Elish Angiolini Inquiry? Angiolini said “Even after Couzens’ arrest and a review of his vetting clearance, the Met told the inquiry in 2022 that they would still have recruited him if provided with the same information. I found this astonishing.”
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 4, 2024 22:35:49 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68466660An interesting article. Just demonstrates how awful it was when those investigating the horrific murder of Sarah Everard found out that the piece of filth Cousens worked for the same organisation as they do. Having a few friends who work for the Met I can confirm that every one of them hates him and what he did. His actions have made what is already a very difficult job 100 times more difficult due to the loss of trust he and the equally vile Carricks actions had on the public. What do you think it says about the Recruitment, Vetting and Culture of Met Police when a year after Couzens was convicted of Rape and Murder they said this to the Dame Elish Angiolini Inquiry? Angiolini said “Even after Couzens’ arrest and a review of his vetting clearance, the Met told the inquiry in 2022 that they would still have recruited him if provided with the same information. I found this astonishing.” I’d say that what the Met are saying is that given the evidence they had had at the time of his application / transfer that with the information / history that they were given the flags weren’t there. Whether that’s due to Couzens lying or a lack of information I don’t know. Clearly there’s lessons to be learnt but it will take time as to change the whole vetting process of the Met police I’d imagine is a huge rebuild which won’t happen overnight especially if it’s to be done properly. I guess only the Met really know the answer and I trunk it’d be wrong to double guess their reasoning without all the facts. One things for sure things need to change as it can’t be allowed to happen again. Only in 5-10 years will we be truely be able to tell how succesful the changes have been.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 4, 2024 22:55:39 GMT
Excellent couple of posts. I think it’s fair to say it’s impossible to stop everyone, especially those that are good at hiding there evil secret side until inevitably it’s too late. In the case of Cousins it’s clear that opportunities to stop him were missed and those that were responsible have to be held accountable for there decisions. That said picking out a bad apple probably isn’t as easy or obvious on the basis of an interview or application form if nothings flagged which is the stage they’d be recruited particularly in the Met where as Franklin said they need to get bums on seats. In the past there’s been plenty of serial killers that have lead normal lives, were married holding down jobs and slipped through the net only only for them to kill multiple times. In the case of Sutcliffe even his wife didn’t know. For me I think a simple solution would be yearly psychological checks for officers particularly those on the front line. That way officers could be monitored and flagged up if concerns are raised around there behaviour by a professional (not a line manager who may not spot the signs as well). There’s far more chance of catching the likes of Cousens and Carrick early on that way than the initial stage (though there colleagues need to take some responsibility too if there are signs). In the case of Cousins he’s manipulated the role for his evil needs however I’m sure there are many more officers that have been mentally affected and changed by experience and have soldiered on because they felt they’d had to when they’re probably suffered from PSD which is why the support needs to be put in place before the pressure takes it’s toll and they react badly to a situation and snap. I’m sure there’s plenty of officers that aren’t the same person they were before they joined the police and that because of the trauma they’ve encountered (whether it’s having to support a family who’s child’s died, being badly beaten up on numerous occasions, dealing with suicide, trying to save someone from drowning, administering CPR unsuccessfully, being constantly told what they are when all they’re trying to do is help people (the vast majority do)) they’ve changed markedly. Those people/Officers need the support too. On the 3rd Anniversary of Sarah Everard's Rape and Murder, Sky requested under FOI how many Police Officers have been convicted in the interim 3 years. Only 19 of the 48 Police Forces replied but of those that did 119 Bad Apples were found Dozens of police officers across the UK have been convicted of crimes including rape, sexual assault and sex offences against children in the three years since the murder of Sarah Everard, new data shows. Officers have also been convicted of assault, possession of indecent images, harassment and controlling and coercive behaviour At least 16 officers were convicted of assault or battery. Nine were convicted of rape or sexual assault, with one also convicted of attempted rape, the forces revealed. Four were convicted with sexual offences against children, including causing or inciting a child to engage in a sexual act, engaging in sexual communication with a child and sexual exposure to a minor. Some 13 officers were convicted of possession or making of indecent images, four were convicted of possession of extreme pornographic imagery; two were convicted of fraud; two of controlling and coercive behaviour; one of harassment, and one of grievous bodily harm. Obviously the numbers are likely to be much higher as 29 Police Forces didn't respond saying it would take too long to gather the information as obviously they don't do it routinely. The Met made no response at all. news.sky.com/story/dozens-of-police-officers-convicted-of-crimes-including-rape-and-sexual-assault-since-sarah-everards-murder-13086063?dcmp=snt-sf-twitterYou list convictions. I wonder how difficult it is to get a case against a police officer to court, given the protection of their colleagues, let alone secure a conviction. The public will not trust the police until they get serious about outing their criminal colleagues,
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Post by wannabee on Mar 4, 2024 23:34:28 GMT
What do you think it says about the Recruitment, Vetting and Culture of Met Police when a year after Couzens was convicted of Rape and Murder they said this to the Dame Elish Angiolini Inquiry? Angiolini said “Even after Couzens’ arrest and a review of his vetting clearance, the Met told the inquiry in 2022 that they would still have recruited him if provided with the same information. I found this astonishing.” I’d say that what the Met are saying is that given the evidence they had had at the time of his application / transfer that with the information / history that they were given the flags weren’t there. Whether that’s due to Couzens lying or a lack of information I don’t know. Clearly there’s lessons to be learnt but it will take time as to change the whole vetting process of the Met police I’d imagine is a huge rebuild which won’t happen overnight especially if it’s to be done properly. I guess only the Met really know the answer and I trunk it’d be wrong to double guess their reasoning without all the facts. One things for sure things need to change as it can’t be allowed to happen again. Only in 5-10 years will we be truely be able to tell how succesful the changes have been. But you would be incorrect, the information that Couzens had been reported for Indecent Exposure was already on the Police National Database when Couzens applied to join the Met in 2018 which the Met failed to consult in their Vetting Process In total Couzens was reported for Indecent Exposure 8 times, some not even investigated before he went on to Rape and Murder Sarah Everard Couzens failed Vetting of both Kent Police and Civil Neuclear Constabulary , who gave him a gun, but was still allowed become a Police Constable The initial Met bungled Vetting in 2018 was repeated in 2019 when the Met issued Couzens a Gun after further bungled Vetting If your saying it will take 5 - 10 years to what on the surface is fairly obvious steps to follow the existing Vetting Process God knows what may happen
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 5, 2024 0:11:47 GMT
I’d say that what the Met are saying is that given the evidence they had had at the time of his application / transfer that with the information / history that they were given the flags weren’t there. Whether that’s due to Couzens lying or a lack of information I don’t know. Clearly there’s lessons to be learnt but it will take time as to change the whole vetting process of the Met police I’d imagine is a huge rebuild which won’t happen overnight especially if it’s to be done properly. I guess only the Met really know the answer and I trunk it’d be wrong to double guess their reasoning without all the facts. One things for sure things need to change as it can’t be allowed to happen again. Only in 5-10 years will we be truely be able to tell how succesful the changes have been. But you would be incorrect, the information that Couzens had been reported for Indecent Exposure was already on the Police National Database when Couzens applied to join the Met in 2018 which the Met failed to consult in their Vetting Process In total Couzens was reported for Indecent Exposure 8 times, some not even investigated before he went on to Rape and Murder Sarah Everard Couzens failed Vetting of both Kent Police and Civil Neuclear Constabulary , who gave him a gun, but was still allowed become a Police Constable The initial Met bungled Vetting in 2018 was repeated in 2019 when the Met issued Couzens a Gun after further bungled Vetting If your saying it will take 5 - 10 years to what on the surface is fairly obvious steps to follow the existing Vetting Process God knows what may happen From what you’re saying and I have no reason to disbelieve you (I don’t have the time to read up on the finer details), if he’s failed other forces vetting prior to joining the Met then there’s clearly an issue that should have been picked up. I’m not sure why they’re saying that he’d still get through now as clearly there was an error if he’s failed other forces and still passed recruitment. Not sure of the context of the Mets latest comments as it’s not that clear and whether or not they mean when he first joined rather than after he’d already joined I don’t know, but I have to say it’s a very strange comment on their part. In relation to the “fairly obvious steps” I’ve never headed the recruitment of such a large organisation so I’m no expert (you may be) but I’m sure that it’s not as easy to change the recruitment as you think it is so it can’t be done overnight. I’ve said 5-10 years because to see true change you’d have to look at all the officers recruited in that time and how they match up re any disciplinary issues to see if the changes in recruitment are working. If you did it now the majority of officers in the Met would have been recruited prior to the changes so it wouldn’t tell as clear a picture. For what it’s worth due to the negative press (when was the last time anyone posted something positive), poor wage and low moral due to numbers, being overworked etc I can’t imagine as a Force they can afford to be too fussy re who they recruit currently which is a little worrying as they should be picking the cream of the crop to do the job. Only when they have a wider pool created by higher wages, raised moral and a more positive media profile will they truly be able to get back on track. Unfortunately they’re in a very difficult position at the moment in that what ever they do they can’t do right for doing wrong. The right saying that they’re not policing fairly and favouring the left and being too soft around the protests and the left saying they’re to oppressive re stop search. It’s a whole bigger problem than just vetting. If things continue the way they are Social media, mainstream media and the politicians will actually have levered a situation where no one will want to actually apply to be a police officer and then we’ll see how well the country runs.
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Post by wannabee on Mar 5, 2024 1:30:06 GMT
But you would be incorrect, the information that Couzens had been reported for Indecent Exposure was already on the Police National Database when Couzens applied to join the Met in 2018 which the Met failed to consult in their Vetting Process In total Couzens was reported for Indecent Exposure 8 times, some not even investigated before he went on to Rape and Murder Sarah Everard Couzens failed Vetting of both Kent Police and Civil Neuclear Constabulary , who gave him a gun, but was still allowed become a Police Constable The initial Met bungled Vetting in 2018 was repeated in 2019 when the Met issued Couzens a Gun after further bungled Vetting If your saying it will take 5 - 10 years to what on the surface is fairly obvious steps to follow the existing Vetting Process God knows what may happen 1. From what you’re saying and I have no reason to disbelieve you (I don’t have the time to read up on the finer details), if he’s failed other forces vetting prior to joining the Met then there’s clearly an issue that should have been picked up. 2. I’m not sure why they’re saying that he’d still get through now as clearly there was an error if he’s failed other forces and still passed recruitment. 3. Not sure of the context of the Mets latest comments as it’s not that clear and whether or not they mean when he first joined rather than after he’d already joined I don’t know, but I have to say it’s a very strange comment on their part. 4. In relation to the “fairly obvious steps” I’ve never headed the recruitment of such a large organisation so I’m no expert (you may be) but I’m sure that it’s not as easy to change the recruitment as you think it is so it can’t be done overnight. 5. I’ve said 5-10 years because to see true change you’d have to look at all the officers recruited in that time and how they match up re any disciplinary issues to see if the changes in recruitment are working. If you did it now the majority of officers in the Met would have been recruited prior to the changes so it wouldn’t tell as clear a picture. 6. For what it’s worth due to the negative press (when was the last time anyone posted something positive), poor wage and low moral due to numbers, being overworked etc I can’t imagine as a Force they can afford to be too fussy re who they recruit currently which is a little worrying as they should be picking the cream of the crop to do the job. 7. Only when they have a wider pool created by higher wages, raised moral and a more positive media profile will they truly be able to get back on track. Unfortunately they’re in a very difficult position at the moment in that what ever they do they can’t do right for doing wrong. The right saying that they’re not policing fairly and favouring the left and being too soft around the protests and the left saying they’re to oppressive re stop search. 8. It’s a whole bigger problem than just vetting. 9. If things continue the way they are Social media, mainstream media and the politicians will actually have levered a situation where no one will want to actually apply to be a police officer and then we’ll see how well the country runs. 1. He failed Vetting twice but was allowed to become a Police Constable He passed Vetting twice with the Met when a simple check of the National Police Database would have failed him. 2. It's an inexplicable comment by the Met 3. The context is the Met reviewed Couzens Vetting Process before joining the Met and prior to giving evidence to the Dame Elish Angiolini Inquiry and this was their response in evidence. I find this the most troubling aspect as did Dame Angiolini 4. It's very simple, if Kent and Civil Neuclear Constabulary had followed their procedures when Couzens failed Vetting he wouldn't never have become a Police Constable. If the Met had followed their Vetting procedures and reviewed the Police National Database they would have rejected Couzens for his record of Indecent Exposure and also his second Vetting a year later before issuing him a Gun. 5. It shouldn't take 5 - 10 years to follow existing procedures 6. I'd say it's more than a little worrying The inference from the Angiolini Report is that certain individuals deliberately become Police Officers for Malevolent intent. If the Vetting Process is ignored the inevitable consequences occur 7. It's a case of which comes first the Chicken or the Egg. Until the Police Force is seen to be an attractive Profession then it won't attract the highest quality of applications. I can certainly sympathise particularly the Met is subjected to Political Influence, which is wrong, their function should be to uphold the Law evenhadedly. The problem arises when, correctly in my view, Police take a pragmatic view of Policing with regard to the circumstances. 8. I completely agree but if you want to enact Top Down Cultural changes then the rank and file that are recruited must be receptive to that Culture. 9. A similar point you make at 6 and 7 which I agree entirely with. Democracy depends on a separation of Powers to Independently provide Checks and Balances. The Executive Cabinet, The Parliament the HoL to some extent and by extention The Police and Defence Forces. In my mind this Executive administration has attempted to influence other Branches beyond their remit to the detriment of Democracy The Police should be allowed to Independently Function to uphold the Laws of the Land which Parliament deems necessary to pass. Of course it should be criticised if it doesn't do that but it should not be the whim of the Home Secretary to decide how it should Police, nor the Mayor of London for the Met if your asking. It is a very dangerous precedent to Democracy to upset the Balance of Powers.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2024 9:45:47 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 5, 2024 12:43:45 GMT
The type of story that’s not told enough.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 5, 2024 18:11:46 GMT
There’s a documentary on BBC1 at 9pm tonite about Sarah Everard murder probably worth watching.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2024 18:54:28 GMT
There’s a documentary on BBC1 at 9pm tonite about Sarah Everard murder probably worth watching. I might be a bit busy then.. 😉 Thanks tho, I'll tape it 🙂
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 5, 2024 18:57:35 GMT
There’s a documentary on BBC1 at 9pm tonite about Sarah Everard murder probably worth watching. I might be a bit busy then.. 😉 Thanks tho, I'll tape it 🙂 Old School
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 5, 2024 18:59:51 GMT
I might be a bit busy then.. 😉 Thanks tho, I'll tape it 🙂 Old School He’s still clinging on to the Betamax
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2024 19:19:08 GMT
I might be a bit busy then.. 😉 Thanks tho, I'll tape it 🙂 Old School Haha it's a Humax, I just use the word 'tape' out of habit 🙂
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Post by metalhead on Mar 5, 2024 20:10:03 GMT
Old School Haha it's a Humax, I just use the word 'tape' out of habit 🙂 Even a Humax is old school.... At least for Gen Z. They've never heard of TiVo.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 5, 2024 20:47:22 GMT
Haha it's a Humax, I just use the word 'tape' out of habit 🙂 Even a Humax is old school.... At least for Gen Z. They've never heard of TiVo. VHS all day
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2024 22:18:20 GMT
Haha it's a Humax, I just use the word 'tape' out of habit 🙂 Even a Humax is old school.... At least for Gen Z. They've never heard of TiVo. I love it, I'm easily distracted so being able to replay stuff is great, recording stuff and missing the ads is too.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 6, 2024 7:02:18 GMT
Even a Humax is old school.... At least for Gen Z. They've never heard of TiVo. I love it, I'm easily distracted so being able to replay stuff is great, recording stuff and missing the ads is too. There was a phase of building PVR style functionality into TVs. I had two or three that did it moderately well. Only the very basic functionality as I remember (schedule record, rewind live tv) but still did a job. Think that craze died when Smart TVs appeared.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2024 17:59:11 GMT
A hotline is being rolled out across the UK today - after it received 3,000 tip-offs prompting 700 investigations since it started a year and a half ago in the capital.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 14, 2024 18:35:44 GMT
A hotline is being rolled out across the UK today - after it received 3,000 tip-offs prompting 700 investigations since it started a year and a half ago in the capital. It’ll be interesting to see how many malicious allegations they get.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2024 18:39:51 GMT
A hotline is being rolled out across the UK today - after it received 3,000 tip-offs prompting 700 investigations since it started a year and a half ago in the capital. It’ll be interesting to see how many malicious allegations they get. Well they've already opened 700 investigations.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 14, 2024 18:43:49 GMT
It’ll be interesting to see how many malicious allegations they get. Well they've already opened 700 investigations. Not saying there’s not a place for it but it’d be naive to think that there’s not a good few out there with an axe to grind who’ll be looking on this as an opportunity to cause grief for officers who’ve done nothing wrong purely because they’ve arrested them in the past or they just don’t like the police.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2024 18:47:49 GMT
Well they've already opened 700 investigations. Not saying there’s not a place for it but it’d be naive to think that there’s not a good few out there with an axe to grind who’ll be looking on this as an opportunity to cause grief for officers who’ve done nothing wrong purely because they’ve arrested them in the past or they just don’t like the police. Hopefully the police will be able to see through such claims. I guess that's why out of the 3,000 reports they've had, they've 'only' launched 700 investigations.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 14, 2024 18:48:41 GMT
Where’s Ted Hastings when you need him
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 14, 2024 18:51:55 GMT
Not saying there’s not a place for it but it’d be naive to think that there’s not a good few out there with an axe to grind who’ll be looking on this as an opportunity to cause grief for officers who’ve done nothing wrong purely because they’ve arrested them in the past or they just don’t like the police. Hopefully the police will be able to see through such claims. I guess that's why out of the 3,000 reports they've had, they've 'only' launched 700 investigations. That’s a hell of a lot of resources being used to sort the wheat from the chaff. Let’s hope that if they’re identified as being malicious then they get a fine or else it’ll become a problem moving forwards. It’ll be interesting to see of the 700 how many are upheld.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 14, 2024 18:57:09 GMT
Hopefully the police will be able to see through such claims. I guess that's why out of the 3,000 reports they've had, they've 'only' launched 700 investigations. That’s a hell of a lot of resources being used to sort the wheat from the chaff. Let’s hope that if they’re identified as being malicious then they get a fine or else it’ll become a problem moving forwards. It’ll be interesting to see of the 700 how many are upheld. It will indeed.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 14, 2024 18:59:42 GMT
Well they've already opened 700 investigations. Not saying there’s not a place for it but it’d be naive to think that there’s not a good few out there with an axe to grind who’ll be looking on this as an opportunity to cause grief for officers who’ve done nothing wrong purely because they’ve arrested them in the past or they just don’t like the police. I would have thought the good coppers would welcome any initiative would speed up the removal of their bent or incompetent colleagues. Surely a little short term stress and inconvenience is a price worth paying.
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