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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2024 0:43:50 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 7:51:01 GMT
In relation to your points I’m not interested in comparing us to NY or Cuba as I’m only interested in the U.K. and in the case of Cuba you can’t compare us to them as we’re totally different in our culture and always have been. I’d like it to stay that way. In relation to figures I’m not a fan of being lead by them as they can be easily massaged. For example. I think it’s important to break those figures you’ve quoted down Cleveland and Manchester are 1.78 and 1.59 per 1000. When you look at london in Boroughs some of which are as highly populated as Cleveland 11 have a higher rate of knife crime and in the case of Westminster it’s nearly twice as much. Thank god for the likes of Richmond, Kingston, Bexley and Chelsea to make the figures look more respectable. London borough Rate per 1,000 Westminster 3.6 Haringey 2.8 Barking and Dagenham 2.5 Lambeth 2.2 Southwark 2.2 Newham 2.1 Hackney 2.1 Croydon 2.1 Islington 2.0 Tower Hamlets 1.8 Enfield 1.8 Greenwich 1.7 Lewisham 1.6 Camden 1.6 Brent 1.6 Hammersmith and Fulham 1.5 Hounslow 1.5 Ealing 1.4 Waltham Forest 1.4 Redbridge 1.3 Wandsworth 1.3 Kensington and Chelsea 1.3 Barnet 1.2 Merton 1.1 Sutton 1.1 Havering 1.0 Hillingdon 1.0 Harrow 0.9 Bromley 0.9 Bexley 0.9 Kingston 0.6 Richmond 0.4 As the flagship for the U.K. because of it being the capital and such a beautiful city (the square mile in particular) there’s always going to be more focus on it from the media in the U.K. and worldwide. For that reason it’s important we get it right as it often leads the way in trends good and bad. If we read about gangs or stabbings there other parts of the country will follow.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2024 11:42:50 GMT
In relation to your points I’m not interested in comparing us to NY or Cuba as I’m only interested in the U.K. and in the case of Cuba you can’t compare us to them as we’re totally different in our culture and always have been. I’d like it to stay that way. In relation to figures I’m not a fan of being lead by them as they can be easily massaged. For example. I think it’s important to break those figures you’ve quoted down Cleveland and Manchester are 1.78 and 1.59 per 1000. When you look at london in Boroughs some of which are as highly populated as Cleveland 11 have a higher rate of knife crime and in the case of Westminster it’s nearly twice as much. Thank god for the likes of Richmond, Kingston, Bexley and Chelsea to make the figures look more respectable. London borough Rate per 1,000 Westminster 3.6 Haringey 2.8 Barking and Dagenham 2.5 Lambeth 2.2 Southwark 2.2 Newham 2.1 Hackney 2.1 Croydon 2.1 Islington 2.0 Tower Hamlets 1.8 Enfield 1.8 Greenwich 1.7 Lewisham 1.6 Camden 1.6 Brent 1.6 Hammersmith and Fulham 1.5 Hounslow 1.5 Ealing 1.4 Waltham Forest 1.4 Redbridge 1.3 Wandsworth 1.3 Kensington and Chelsea 1.3 Barnet 1.2 Merton 1.1 Sutton 1.1 Havering 1.0 Hillingdon 1.0 Harrow 0.9 Bromley 0.9 Bexley 0.9 Kingston 0.6 Richmond 0.4 As the flagship for the U.K. because of it being the capital and such a beautiful city (the square mile in particular) there’s always going to be more focus on it from the media in the U.K. and worldwide. For that reason it’s important we get it right as it often leads the way in trends good and bad. If we read about gangs or stabbings there other parts of the country will follow. As I said it wasn't clear to me if Metalhead was speaking Internationally or Domestically so I covered both bases. If he chooses to reply we will know which he meant. I'm sure and would hope that the Met Police don't take your misleading statistics at face value. The statistics you use are knife incidents per 1,000 residents. Westminster is the 27th least populated Borough in London but almost 400,000 commute to Westminster everyday tripling it's Population. Also 30 Million Tourist's visit London each year. The vast majority to visit places like Houses of Parliament, Westminster Abbey, Buck House, Tower Bridge, Hyde Park, Leicester Square, Soho, The Theatre etc etc etc. All in the Borough of Westminster. I can't see too many tourists venturing out to see a disused Dog Track and they would be Barking to go there or its twin Dagenham. You then go on to contradict yourself by saying because it's the Capital it will receive International Media attention and of course we need to get it right i.e. reduce crime rates but prospective visitors need to see the comparative crime rates to other Major Cities which you seem uninterested in. I have had the pleasure of living and working in London for many many years without major incident. I'm aware of where not to go and where I want to go. If I visit a New Foreign City I will research the places of interest and the places to avoid. Hysterical Reporting and distorted crime figures does a disservice to the City of London
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 12:29:11 GMT
In relation to your points I’m not interested in comparing us to NY or Cuba as I’m only interested in the U.K. and in the case of Cuba you can’t compare us to them as we’re totally different in our culture and always have been. I’d like it to stay that way. In relation to figures I’m not a fan of being lead by them as they can be easily massaged. For example. I think it’s important to break those figures you’ve quoted down Cleveland and Manchester are 1.78 and 1.59 per 1000. When you look at london in Boroughs some of which are as highly populated as Cleveland 11 have a higher rate of knife crime and in the case of Westminster it’s nearly twice as much. Thank god for the likes of Richmond, Kingston, Bexley and Chelsea to make the figures look more respectable. London borough Rate per 1,000 Westminster 3.6 Haringey 2.8 Barking and Dagenham 2.5 Lambeth 2.2 Southwark 2.2 Newham 2.1 Hackney 2.1 Croydon 2.1 Islington 2.0 Tower Hamlets 1.8 Enfield 1.8 Greenwich 1.7 Lewisham 1.6 Camden 1.6 Brent 1.6 Hammersmith and Fulham 1.5 Hounslow 1.5 Ealing 1.4 Waltham Forest 1.4 Redbridge 1.3 Wandsworth 1.3 Kensington and Chelsea 1.3 Barnet 1.2 Merton 1.1 Sutton 1.1 Havering 1.0 Hillingdon 1.0 Harrow 0.9 Bromley 0.9 Bexley 0.9 Kingston 0.6 Richmond 0.4 As the flagship for the U.K. because of it being the capital and such a beautiful city (the square mile in particular) there’s always going to be more focus on it from the media in the U.K. and worldwide. For that reason it’s important we get it right as it often leads the way in trends good and bad. If we read about gangs or stabbings there other parts of the country will follow. As I said it wasn't clear to me if Metalhead was speaking Internationally or Domestically so I covered both bases. If he chooses to reply we will know which he meant. I'm sure and would hope that the Met Police don't take your misleading statistics at face value. The statistics you use are knife incidents per 1,000 residents. Westminster is the 27th least populated Borough in London but almost 400,000 commute to Westminster everyday tripling it's Population. Also 30 Million Tourist's visit London each year. The vast majority to visit places like Houses of Parliament, Westminster Abbey, Buck House, Tower Bridge, Hyde Park, Leicester Square, Soho, The Theatre etc etc etc. All in the Borough of Westminster. I can't see too many tourists venturing out to see a disused Dog Track and they would be Barking to go there or its twin Dagenham. You then go on to contradict yourself by saying because it's the Capital it will receive International Media attention and of course we need to get it right i.e. reduce crime rates but prospective visitors need to see the comparative crime rates to other Major Cities which you seem uninterested in. I have had the pleasure of living and working in London for many many years without major incident. I'm aware of where not to go and where I want to go. If I visit a New Foreign City I will research the places of interest and the places to avoid. Hysterical Reporting and distorted crime figures does a disservice to the City of London When was the last time you went to London? I too worked there for over 14 years and lived in Islington for a year but this was 20 years ago. I too never had any issue with crime however that was predominantly due to working in the city of London and socialising in the West End where they are well policed due to them being very much the face of London that the politicians and those in power would want you to see as they’re the areas that most the money is spent on. I still visit London on a frequent basis however my work takes me more to the grittier areas. I was in Barking only a couple of months ago and in the 20 minutes outside the train station (whilst waiting for a friend) I saw people openly dealing, 2 fights, street drinking and a guy wandering around openly threatening people. I’d suggest it’s changed a lot over recent years and not for the better. In relation to contradicting myself your comparisons are like comparing Man C and Crewe. We should be comparing our selves with our historic European equals not countries that are totally incomparable. London’s a beautiful city in so many ways but people need to look beyond the square mile and look at the likes of Croydon, Barking etc. People can put the blinkers on all they want but these stories aren’t made up. They’re happening (and it’s not just London granted. It’s most big cities). Look ahead 20 years and things will be far worse if there’s not big change. Any loss of life tragic and we should never settle for whatsaboutery and playing things down.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 16, 2024 12:41:40 GMT
In relation to your points I’m not interested in comparing us to NY or Cuba as I’m only interested in the U.K. and in the case of Cuba you can’t compare us to them as we’re totally different in our culture and always have been. I’d like it to stay that way. In relation to figures I’m not a fan of being lead by them as they can be easily massaged. For example. I think it’s important to break those figures you’ve quoted down Cleveland and Manchester are 1.78 and 1.59 per 1000. When you look at london in Boroughs some of which are as highly populated as Cleveland 11 have a higher rate of knife crime and in the case of Westminster it’s nearly twice as much. Thank god for the likes of Richmond, Kingston, Bexley and Chelsea to make the figures look more respectable. London borough Rate per 1,000 Westminster 3.6 Haringey 2.8 Barking and Dagenham 2.5 Lambeth 2.2 Southwark 2.2 Newham 2.1 Hackney 2.1 Croydon 2.1 Islington 2.0 Tower Hamlets 1.8 Enfield 1.8 Greenwich 1.7 Lewisham 1.6 Camden 1.6 Brent 1.6 Hammersmith and Fulham 1.5 Hounslow 1.5 Ealing 1.4 Waltham Forest 1.4 Redbridge 1.3 Wandsworth 1.3 Kensington and Chelsea 1.3 Barnet 1.2 Merton 1.1 Sutton 1.1 Havering 1.0 Hillingdon 1.0 Harrow 0.9 Bromley 0.9 Bexley 0.9 Kingston 0.6 Richmond 0.4 As the flagship for the U.K. because of it being the capital and such a beautiful city (the square mile in particular) there’s always going to be more focus on it from the media in the U.K. and worldwide. For that reason it’s important we get it right as it often leads the way in trends good and bad. If we read about gangs or stabbings there other parts of the country will follow. This is always the case though: wealthy areas = crime that people like to pretend doesn’t happen/matter (e.g., tax evasion/fraud); poor areas = crimes out of fear, desperation and gang activity. London has seen a lot of gentrification in recent years, further increasing wealth disparities in the area. I’m not sure what the story is here apart from poor people commit more violent crimes. Isn’t this something we all already know? Investing in poorer areas around the country would lead to reduced crime and better health within a community in later generations. That will never happen though because the only marker that anyone in power cares about is GDP and not its distribution.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 12:53:31 GMT
In relation to your points I’m not interested in comparing us to NY or Cuba as I’m only interested in the U.K. and in the case of Cuba you can’t compare us to them as we’re totally different in our culture and always have been. I’d like it to stay that way. In relation to figures I’m not a fan of being lead by them as they can be easily massaged. For example. I think it’s important to break those figures you’ve quoted down Cleveland and Manchester are 1.78 and 1.59 per 1000. When you look at london in Boroughs some of which are as highly populated as Cleveland 11 have a higher rate of knife crime and in the case of Westminster it’s nearly twice as much. Thank god for the likes of Richmond, Kingston, Bexley and Chelsea to make the figures look more respectable. London borough Rate per 1,000 Westminster 3.6 Haringey 2.8 Barking and Dagenham 2.5 Lambeth 2.2 Southwark 2.2 Newham 2.1 Hackney 2.1 Croydon 2.1 Islington 2.0 Tower Hamlets 1.8 Enfield 1.8 Greenwich 1.7 Lewisham 1.6 Camden 1.6 Brent 1.6 Hammersmith and Fulham 1.5 Hounslow 1.5 Ealing 1.4 Waltham Forest 1.4 Redbridge 1.3 Wandsworth 1.3 Kensington and Chelsea 1.3 Barnet 1.2 Merton 1.1 Sutton 1.1 Havering 1.0 Hillingdon 1.0 Harrow 0.9 Bromley 0.9 Bexley 0.9 Kingston 0.6 Richmond 0.4 As the flagship for the U.K. because of it being the capital and such a beautiful city (the square mile in particular) there’s always going to be more focus on it from the media in the U.K. and worldwide. For that reason it’s important we get it right as it often leads the way in trends good and bad. If we read about gangs or stabbings there other parts of the country will follow. This is always the case though: wealthy areas = crime that people like to pretend doesn’t happen/matter (e.g., tax evasion/fraud); poor areas = crimes out of fear, desperation and gang activity. London has seen a lot of gentrification in recent years, further increasing wealth disparities in the area. I’m not sure what the story is here apart from poor people commit more violent crimes. Isn’t this something we all already know? Investing in poorer areas around the country would lead to reduced crime and better health within a community in later generations. That will never happen though because the only marker that anyone in power cares about is GDP and not its distribution. I think that’s fair to say and explains why Cleveland is so high especially when you look at this video It’s the lack of hope and a history of trauma that causes young people to go in the direction they do, however it’s not impossible to buck the trend and try to prove people wrong if they have the right positive mentors. Violent / knife crime is the point in question here and young people wanting to - belong (as they don’t feel loved by there own family) - get rich quickly and with the minimum amount of work by dealing drugs etc London due to being so big and well populated is the most visible in the media highlights more than anywhere why there’s a problem around violence in the young.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2024 13:34:03 GMT
As I said it wasn't clear to me if Metalhead was speaking Internationally or Domestically so I covered both bases. If he chooses to reply we will know which he meant. I'm sure and would hope that the Met Police don't take your misleading statistics at face value. The statistics you use are knife incidents per 1,000 residents. Westminster is the 27th least populated Borough in London but almost 400,000 commute to Westminster everyday tripling it's Population. Also 30 Million Tourist's visit London each year. The vast majority to visit places like Houses of Parliament, Westminster Abbey, Buck House, Tower Bridge, Hyde Park, Leicester Square, Soho, The Theatre etc etc etc. All in the Borough of Westminster. I can't see too many tourists venturing out to see a disused Dog Track and they would be Barking to go there or its twin Dagenham. You then go on to contradict yourself by saying because it's the Capital it will receive International Media attention and of course we need to get it right i.e. reduce crime rates but prospective visitors need to see the comparative crime rates to other Major Cities which you seem uninterested in. I have had the pleasure of living and working in London for many many years without major incident. I'm aware of where not to go and where I want to go. If I visit a New Foreign City I will research the places of interest and the places to avoid. Hysterical Reporting and distorted crime figures does a disservice to the City of London When was the last time you went to London? I too worked there for over 14 years and lived in Islington for a year but this was 20 years ago. I too never had any issue with crime however that was predominantly due to working in the city of London and socialising in the West End where they are well policed due to them being very much the face of London that the politicians and those in power would want you to see as they’re the areas that most the money is spent on. I still visit London on a frequent basis however my work takes me more to the grittier areas. I was in Barking only a couple of months ago and in the 20 minutes outside the train station (whilst waiting for a friend) I saw people openly dealing, 2 fights, street drinking and a guy wandering around openly threatening people. I’d suggest it’s changed a lot over recent years and not for the better. In relation to contradicting myself your comparisons are like comparing Man C and Crewe. We should be comparing our selves with our historic European equals not countries that are totally incomparable. London’s a beautiful city in so many ways but people need to look beyond the square mile and look at the likes of Croydon, Barking etc. People can put the blinkers on all they want but these stories aren’t made up. They’re happening (and it’s not just London granted. It’s most big cities). Look ahead 20 years and things will be far worse if there’s not big change. Any loss of life tragic and we should never settle for whatsaboutery and playing things down. Your just trying to construct a narrative that doesn't exist Far from whatabotury I prefer not to trash my Capital City without justification All major Cities and more deprived areas have higher crime rates, who knew. In my initial post I compared London Crime Rates to New York. I consider New York to be the most comparable City to London in many respects and a City I have also lived in for quite a few years without incident and my link shows London in a favourable light. Below you will see the comparisons between London and Paris a City with a much smaller population and again on almost every measure London is better These three Cities along with Bangkok are the biggest Tourist City Destinations Comparison Between Paris and London Index Info Paris London Crime Index: 57.87 54.51 Safety Scale: 42.13 45.49 Paris London Improve Data Improve Data Level of crime 61.92 63.86 Crime increasing in the past 3 years 73.12 70.00 Worries home broken and things stolen 52.21 47.95 Worries being mugged or robbed 60.75 57.80 Worries car stolen 47.44 43.96 Worries things from car stolen 57.12 50.66 Worries attacked 58.87 54.49 Worries being insulted 64.69 54.93 Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religion 48.80 40.78 Problem people using or dealing drugs 64.27 62.51 Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theft 67.85 58.37 Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery 56.43 57.50 Problem corruption and bribery 44.90 38.78 Contributors: 1070 1226 Last Update: February 2024 February 2024 www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&city1=Paris&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London* I can see now why you chose your Avatar you having lived in Islington, Good Lad.
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Post by UsAndThem on Feb 16, 2024 14:16:37 GMT
When was the last time you went to London? I too worked there for over 14 years and lived in Islington for a year but this was 20 years ago. I too never had any issue with crime however that was predominantly due to working in the city of London and socialising in the West End where they are well policed due to them being very much the face of London that the politicians and those in power would want you to see as they’re the areas that most the money is spent on. I still visit London on a frequent basis however my work takes me more to the grittier areas. I was in Barking only a couple of months ago and in the 20 minutes outside the train station (whilst waiting for a friend) I saw people openly dealing, 2 fights, street drinking and a guy wandering around openly threatening people. I’d suggest it’s changed a lot over recent years and not for the better. In relation to contradicting myself your comparisons are like comparing Man C and Crewe. We should be comparing our selves with our historic European equals not countries that are totally incomparable. London’s a beautiful city in so many ways but people need to look beyond the square mile and look at the likes of Croydon, Barking etc. People can put the blinkers on all they want but these stories aren’t made up. They’re happening (and it’s not just London granted. It’s most big cities). Look ahead 20 years and things will be far worse if there’s not big change. Any loss of life tragic and we should never settle for whatsaboutery and playing things down. Your just trying to construct a narrative that doesn't exist Far from whatabotury I prefer not to trash my Capital City without justification All major Cities and more deprived areas have higher crime rates, who knew. In my initial post I compared London Crime Rates to New York. I consider New York to be the most comparable City to London in many respects and a City I have also lived in for quite a few years without incident and my link shows London in a favourable light. Below you will see the comparisons between London and Paris a City with a much smaller population and again on almost every measure London is better These three Cities along with Bangkok are the biggest Tourist City Destinations Comparison Between Paris and London Index Info Paris London Crime Index: 57.87 54.51 Safety Scale: 42.13 45.49 Paris London Improve Data Improve Data Level of crime 61.92 63.86 Crime increasing in the past 3 years 73.12 70.00 Worries home broken and things stolen 52.21 47.95 Worries being mugged or robbed 60.75 57.80 Worries car stolen 47.44 43.96 Worries things from car stolen 57.12 50.66 Worries attacked 58.87 54.49 Worries being insulted 64.69 54.93 Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religion 48.80 40.78 Problem people using or dealing drugs 64.27 62.51 Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theft 67.85 58.37 Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery 56.43 57.50 Problem corruption and bribery 44.90 38.78 Contributors: 1070 1226 Last Update: February 2024 February 2024 www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&city1=Paris&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London* I can see now why you chose your Avatar you having lived in Islington, Good Lad. What do you think the reasons are that London looks so favourable in these statistics compared to NYC and Paris? A better, more efficient, higher skilled police force? Also worth noting though that when looking at statistics, certain crime types, like drugs supply or possession of a weapon/knife are recorded (in the UK) when detected by the police. For example if a drugs task force was set up in say Camden for example, drug crime would appear to have increased because more crimes are being recorded as more people are being caught in possession or supplying drugs. I know for a fact that some police forces have avoided having drugs task forces as it would make them appear that they have a drug problem as detection rates would increase dramatically, therefore on paper making it look far worse than before
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Post by franklin on Feb 16, 2024 14:43:48 GMT
Your just trying to construct a narrative that doesn't exist Far from whatabotury I prefer not to trash my Capital City without justification All major Cities and more deprived areas have higher crime rates, who knew. In my initial post I compared London Crime Rates to New York. I consider New York to be the most comparable City to London in many respects and a City I have also lived in for quite a few years without incident and my link shows London in a favourable light. Below you will see the comparisons between London and Paris a City with a much smaller population and again on almost every measure London is better These three Cities along with Bangkok are the biggest Tourist City Destinations Comparison Between Paris and London Index Info Paris London Crime Index: 57.87 54.51 Safety Scale: 42.13 45.49 Paris London Improve Data Improve Data Level of crime 61.92 63.86 Crime increasing in the past 3 years 73.12 70.00 Worries home broken and things stolen 52.21 47.95 Worries being mugged or robbed 60.75 57.80 Worries car stolen 47.44 43.96 Worries things from car stolen 57.12 50.66 Worries attacked 58.87 54.49 Worries being insulted 64.69 54.93 Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religion 48.80 40.78 Problem people using or dealing drugs 64.27 62.51 Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theft 67.85 58.37 Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery 56.43 57.50 Problem corruption and bribery 44.90 38.78 Contributors: 1070 1226 Last Update: February 2024 February 2024 www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&city1=Paris&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London* I can see now why you chose your Avatar you having lived in Islington, Good Lad. What do you think the reasons are that London looks so favourable in these statistics compared to NYC and Paris? A better, more efficient, higher skilled police force? Also worth noting though that when looking at statistics, certain crime types, like drugs supply or possession of a weapon/knife are recorded (in the UK) when detected by the police. For example if a drugs task force was set up in say Camden for example, drug crime would appear to have increased because more crimes are being recorded as more people are being caught in possession or supplying drugs. I know for a fact that some police forces have avoided having drugs task forces as it would make them appear that they have a drug problem as detection rates would increase dramatically, therefore on paper making it look far worse than before I think that's a perfectly reasonable assumption to make the better you are the more you record the higher the rates, turn away and don't look no issues. "We've" been demanding more and better action and by definition that would bring higher stats and more recorded crime 🤷♂️
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2024 15:44:15 GMT
Your just trying to construct a narrative that doesn't exist Far from whatabotury I prefer not to trash my Capital City without justification All major Cities and more deprived areas have higher crime rates, who knew. In my initial post I compared London Crime Rates to New York. I consider New York to be the most comparable City to London in many respects and a City I have also lived in for quite a few years without incident and my link shows London in a favourable light. Below you will see the comparisons between London and Paris a City with a much smaller population and again on almost every measure London is better These three Cities along with Bangkok are the biggest Tourist City Destinations Comparison Between Paris and London Index Info Paris London Crime Index: 57.87 54.51 Safety Scale: 42.13 45.49 Paris London Improve Data Improve Data Level of crime 61.92 63.86 Crime increasing in the past 3 years 73.12 70.00 Worries home broken and things stolen 52.21 47.95 Worries being mugged or robbed 60.75 57.80 Worries car stolen 47.44 43.96 Worries things from car stolen 57.12 50.66 Worries attacked 58.87 54.49 Worries being insulted 64.69 54.93 Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religion 48.80 40.78 Problem people using or dealing drugs 64.27 62.51 Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theft 67.85 58.37 Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery 56.43 57.50 Problem corruption and bribery 44.90 38.78 Contributors: 1070 1226 Last Update: February 2024 February 2024 www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&city1=Paris&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London* I can see now why you chose your Avatar you having lived in Islington, Good Lad. What do you think the reasons are that London looks so favourable in these statistics compared to NYC and Paris? A better, more efficient, higher skilled police force? Also worth noting though that when looking at statistics, certain crime types, like drugs supply or possession of a weapon/knife are recorded (in the UK) when detected by the police. For example if a drugs task force was set up in say Camden for example, drug crime would appear to have increased because more crimes are being recorded as more people are being caught in possession or supplying drugs. I know for a fact that some police forces have avoided having drugs task forces as it would make them appear that they have a drug problem as detection rates would increase dramatically, therefore on paper making it look far worse than before I don't claim to be an expert but get annoyed when our Capital City is dissed without context. Poverty and Drugs are the two main causes of relatively low to medium level crime It seems Counterintuitive to me to Criminalise something that can't be controlled E.g. Cannabis possession for instance (Hi Ely) If you make Cannabis available at designated outlets you remove a huge number of people needing to engage with Criminals. The product can be quality controlled and you remove a huge Revenue Stream from Criminal Gangs. The price can be controlled to a level there is no incentive to commit Petty Crime to satisfy a need. It's foolish to expect to eliminate poverty in the short term but connected to Poverty is Low or No Paid Work. Connected to Low or No Paid Work are poor Education Outcomes. Youth Unemployment is always higher throughout the World Invariably in deprived areas recreational facilities are almost non existent meaning a lot of young people with time on their hands with little outlet. There is no one magic bullet it requires a holistic approach. Solutions shouldn't be imposed Top Down but Community Based. These issues are relevant equally in London, NY or Paris indeed any big City In case I have misled I consider London, NY and Paris safe places to live relative to their size. If we were to take the Crime Rate in the Favelas as representative of Rio it would be a distortion. Manhattan is one of the safest places to live, East Harlem and parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx not so much. NY has about the same Population as London but Paris is only about 20% but has the same Demographics with really nice places and places I just wouldn't go.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 17:12:26 GMT
Your just trying to construct a narrative that doesn't exist Far from whatabotury I prefer not to trash my Capital City without justification All major Cities and more deprived areas have higher crime rates, who knew. In my initial post I compared London Crime Rates to New York. I consider New York to be the most comparable City to London in many respects and a City I have also lived in for quite a few years without incident and my link shows London in a favourable light. Below you will see the comparisons between London and Paris a City with a much smaller population and again on almost every measure London is better These three Cities along with Bangkok are the biggest Tourist City Destinations Comparison Between Paris and London Index Info Paris London Crime Index: 57.87 54.51 Safety Scale: 42.13 45.49 Paris London Improve Data Improve Data Level of crime 61.92 63.86 Crime increasing in the past 3 years 73.12 70.00 Worries home broken and things stolen 52.21 47.95 Worries being mugged or robbed 60.75 57.80 Worries car stolen 47.44 43.96 Worries things from car stolen 57.12 50.66 Worries attacked 58.87 54.49 Worries being insulted 64.69 54.93 Worries being subject to a physical attack because of your skin color, ethnic origin, gender or religion 48.80 40.78 Problem people using or dealing drugs 64.27 62.51 Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theft 67.85 58.37 Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery 56.43 57.50 Problem corruption and bribery 44.90 38.78 Contributors: 1070 1226 Last Update: February 2024 February 2024 www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&city1=Paris&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London* I can see now why you chose your Avatar you having lived in Islington, Good Lad. What do you think the reasons are that London looks so favourable in these statistics compared to NYC and Paris? A better, more efficient, higher skilled police force? Also worth noting though that when looking at statistics, certain crime types, like drugs supply or possession of a weapon/knife are recorded (in the UK) when detected by the police. For example if a drugs task force was set up in say Camden for example, drug crime would appear to have increased because more crimes are being recorded as more people are being caught in possession or supplying drugs. I know for a fact that some police forces have avoided having drugs task forces as it would make them appear that they have a drug problem as detection rates would increase dramatically, therefore on paper making it look far worse than before Spot on. As I said previously figures can be massaged and interpreted to what ever direction people / politicians want to take their narrative in. That’s why I prefer to base my beliefs on personal experience rather than numbers. In my opinion having lived in the SE and London over the last 37 years London just doesn’t feel as safe as it used to. People can take that how they want. Maybe it’s partly down to social media etc but these daily stabbings aren’t made up (and it’s not just London). Wannabe you’ve clearly been lucky enough to live a good life but maybe you need to pop down to Croydon, Westminster or Barking and you may have your eyes opened and have a reality check in whether they’re safe places to live. This is worth a watch Those commenting don’t come across as knicker wetters or looking to slag off London and living there they’re the most qualified to comment and they do and they do it very well. Not sure what the answer is but clearly those in power shouldn’t be satisfied with things as they are and things need to change. There needs to be investment in the youth whether it’s in schools, youth clubs or creating jobs.
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Post by foster on Feb 16, 2024 17:34:01 GMT
What do you think the reasons are that London looks so favourable in these statistics compared to NYC and Paris? A better, more efficient, higher skilled police force? Also worth noting though that when looking at statistics, certain crime types, like drugs supply or possession of a weapon/knife are recorded (in the UK) when detected by the police. For example if a drugs task force was set up in say Camden for example, drug crime would appear to have increased because more crimes are being recorded as more people are being caught in possession or supplying drugs. I know for a fact that some police forces have avoided having drugs task forces as it would make them appear that they have a drug problem as detection rates would increase dramatically, therefore on paper making it look far worse than before I don't claim to be an expert but get annoyed when our Capital City is dissed without context. Poverty and Drugs are the two main causes of relatively low to medium level crime It seems Counterintuitive to me to Criminalise something that can't be controlled E.g. Cannabis possession for instance (Hi Ely) If you make Cannabis available at designated outlets you remove a huge number of people needing to engage with Criminals. The product can be quality controlled and you remove a huge Revenue Stream from Criminal Gangs. The price can be controlled to a level there is no incentive to commit Petty Crime to satisfy a need. It's foolish to expect to eliminate poverty in the short term but connected to Poverty is Low or No Paid Work. Connected to Low or No Paid Work are poor Education Outcomes. Youth Unemployment is always higher throughout the World Invariably in deprived areas recreational facilities are almost non existent meaning a lot of young people with time on their hands with little outlet. There is no one magic bullet it requires a holistic approach. Solutions shouldn't be imposed Top Down but Community Based. These issues are relevant equally in London, NY or Paris indeed any big City In case I have misled I consider London, NY and Paris safe places to live relative to their size. If we were to take the Crime Rate in the Favelas as representative of Rio it would be a distortion. Manhattan is one of the safest places to live, East Harlem and parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx not so much. NY has about the same Population as London but Paris is only about 20% but has the same Demographics with really nice places and places I just wouldn't go. I'd argue that personal experience of living and being in a city is more relevant to this discussion than stats, that can be skewed whichever way you want, as most politicians like to do. You don't live in the UK do you Wannabe? I don't either, but I also don't profess that London is 'my' capital. I'm aware that even though I visit from time to time, that I'm not in a position to claim how it is. I leave that to the people who do actually live and experience London life for real.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2024 19:03:56 GMT
I don't claim to be an expert but get annoyed when our Capital City is dissed without context. Poverty and Drugs are the two main causes of relatively low to medium level crime It seems Counterintuitive to me to Criminalise something that can't be controlled E.g. Cannabis possession for instance (Hi Ely) If you make Cannabis available at designated outlets you remove a huge number of people needing to engage with Criminals. The product can be quality controlled and you remove a huge Revenue Stream from Criminal Gangs. The price can be controlled to a level there is no incentive to commit Petty Crime to satisfy a need. It's foolish to expect to eliminate poverty in the short term but connected to Poverty is Low or No Paid Work. Connected to Low or No Paid Work are poor Education Outcomes. Youth Unemployment is always higher throughout the World Invariably in deprived areas recreational facilities are almost non existent meaning a lot of young people with time on their hands with little outlet. There is no one magic bullet it requires a holistic approach. Solutions shouldn't be imposed Top Down but Community Based. These issues are relevant equally in London, NY or Paris indeed any big City In case I have misled I consider London, NY and Paris safe places to live relative to their size. If we were to take the Crime Rate in the Favelas as representative of Rio it would be a distortion. Manhattan is one of the safest places to live, East Harlem and parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx not so much. NY has about the same Population as London but Paris is only about 20% but has the same Demographics with really nice places and places I just wouldn't go. I'd argue that personal experience of living and being in a city is more relevant to this discussion than stats, that can be skewed whichever way you want, as most politicians like to do. You don't live in the UK do you Wannabe? I don't either, but I also don't profess that London is 'my' capital. I'm aware that even though I visit from time to time, that I'm not in a position to claim how it is. I leave that to the people who do actually live and experience London life for real. I don't know where you and Cobham reach a conclusion on my residence, or why you would care. I said in one previous post that I travel extensively outside UK which is a completely different thing but it seems 2+2 = 5 I have Children that live and work in London permanently as well as extended family so the basis of your premise is a logical fallacy on several levels Your opinion obviously is equally valid as mine we just have different ones.
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Post by foster on Feb 16, 2024 19:18:54 GMT
I'd argue that personal experience of living and being in a city is more relevant to this discussion than stats, that can be skewed whichever way you want, as most politicians like to do. You don't live in the UK do you Wannabe? I don't either, but I also don't profess that London is 'my' capital. I'm aware that even though I visit from time to time, that I'm not in a position to claim how it is. I leave that to the people who do actually live and experience London life for real. I don't know where you and Cobham reach a conclusion on my residence, or why you would care. I said in one previous post that I travel extensively outside UK which is a completely different thing but it seems 2+2 = 5 I have Children that live and work in London permanently as well as extended family so the basis of your premise is a logical fallacy on several levels Your opinion obviously is equally valid as mine we just have different ones. It's not that anyone reached a conclusion. It's just that you've never answered if you live in the UK or are even a SCFC fan. Though you say that you have relatives in London so fair play for sharing something.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 19:50:28 GMT
I'd argue that personal experience of living and being in a city is more relevant to this discussion than stats, that can be skewed whichever way you want, as most politicians like to do. You don't live in the UK do you Wannabe? I don't either, but I also don't profess that London is 'my' capital. I'm aware that even though I visit from time to time, that I'm not in a position to claim how it is. I leave that to the people who do actually live and experience London life for real. I don't know where you and Cobham reach a conclusion on my residence, or why you would care. I said in one previous post that I travel extensively outside UK which is a completely different thing but it seems 2+2 = 5 I have Children that live and work in London permanently as well as extended family so the basis of your premise is a logical fallacy on several levels Your opinion obviously is equally valid as mine we just have different ones. In the case of the Croydon video I’d 100 percent believe those being interviewed than me as they’re more qualified to comment on where they live. I’d take there words ahead of any stat. That’s where I always value posters points of view more if they’ve worked in the respective field as there’s no better opinion than from someone who’s lived the experience and isn’t afraid of being a bit of an open book. No one’s saying you should ever disclose personal information but giving some information about your experiences and life gives other posters a greater idea of why you feel the way you do.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 16, 2024 20:08:40 GMT
What do you think the reasons are that London looks so favourable in these statistics compared to NYC and Paris? A better, more efficient, higher skilled police force? Also worth noting though that when looking at statistics, certain crime types, like drugs supply or possession of a weapon/knife are recorded (in the UK) when detected by the police. For example if a drugs task force was set up in say Camden for example, drug crime would appear to have increased because more crimes are being recorded as more people are being caught in possession or supplying drugs. I know for a fact that some police forces have avoided having drugs task forces as it would make them appear that they have a drug problem as detection rates would increase dramatically, therefore on paper making it look far worse than before I don't claim to be an expert but get annoyed when our Capital City is dissed without context. Poverty and Drugs are the two main causes of relatively low to medium level crime It seems Counterintuitive to me to Criminalise something that can't be controlled E.g. Cannabis possession for instance (Hi Ely) If you make Cannabis available at designated outlets you remove a huge number of people needing to engage with Criminals. The product can be quality controlled and you remove a huge Revenue Stream from Criminal Gangs. The price can be controlled to a level there is no incentive to commit Petty Crime to satisfy a need. It's foolish to expect to eliminate poverty in the short term but connected to Poverty is Low or No Paid Work. Connected to Low or No Paid Work are poor Education Outcomes. Youth Unemployment is always higher throughout the World Invariably in deprived areas recreational facilities are almost non existent meaning a lot of young people with time on their hands with little outlet. There is no one magic bullet it requires a holistic approach. Solutions shouldn't be imposed Top Down but Community Based. These issues are relevant equally in London, NY or Paris indeed any big City In case I have misled I consider London, NY and Paris safe places to live relative to their size. If we were to take the Crime Rate in the Favelas as representative of Rio it would be a distortion. Manhattan is one of the safest places to live, East Harlem and parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx not so much. NY has about the same Population as London but Paris is only about 20% but has the same Demographics with really nice places and places I just wouldn't go. I find it very interesting that nobody (that I'm aware of) who has worked or does work in the environment of enforcing law and order has engaged in the discussion about cannabis legalisation. Can't help but wonder why 🤔
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 20:22:48 GMT
I don't claim to be an expert but get annoyed when our Capital City is dissed without context. Poverty and Drugs are the two main causes of relatively low to medium level crime It seems Counterintuitive to me to Criminalise something that can't be controlled E.g. Cannabis possession for instance (Hi Ely) If you make Cannabis available at designated outlets you remove a huge number of people needing to engage with Criminals. The product can be quality controlled and you remove a huge Revenue Stream from Criminal Gangs. The price can be controlled to a level there is no incentive to commit Petty Crime to satisfy a need. It's foolish to expect to eliminate poverty in the short term but connected to Poverty is Low or No Paid Work. Connected to Low or No Paid Work are poor Education Outcomes. Youth Unemployment is always higher throughout the World Invariably in deprived areas recreational facilities are almost non existent meaning a lot of young people with time on their hands with little outlet. There is no one magic bullet it requires a holistic approach. Solutions shouldn't be imposed Top Down but Community Based. These issues are relevant equally in London, NY or Paris indeed any big City In case I have misled I consider London, NY and Paris safe places to live relative to their size. If we were to take the Crime Rate in the Favelas as representative of Rio it would be a distortion. Manhattan is one of the safest places to live, East Harlem and parts of Brooklyn and the Bronx not so much. NY has about the same Population as London but Paris is only about 20% but has the same Demographics with really nice places and places I just wouldn't go. I find it very interesting that nobody (that I'm aware of) who has worked or does work in the environment of enforcing law and order has engaged in the discussion about cannabis legalisation. Can't help but wonder why 🤔 It’s a factor I’ll give you that.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2024 20:31:50 GMT
I don't know where you and Cobham reach a conclusion on my residence, or why you would care. I said in one previous post that I travel extensively outside UK which is a completely different thing but it seems 2+2 = 5 I have Children that live and work in London permanently as well as extended family so the basis of your premise is a logical fallacy on several levels Your opinion obviously is equally valid as mine we just have different ones. In the case of the Croydon video I’d 100 percent believe those being interviewed than me as they’re more qualified to comment on where they live. I’d take there words ahead of any stat. That’s where I always value posters points of view more if they’ve worked in the respective field as there’s no better opinion than from someone who’s lived the experience and isn’t afraid of being a bit of an open book. No one’s saying you should ever disclose personal information but giving some information about your experiences and life gives other posters a greater idea of why you feel the way you do. There used to be a Poster on here FYD from Croydon that I very rarely agreed with. I would be very sceptical of any of his opinions even if they were claimed to be from personal experience Mostly because we had a different World View They were still his opinions, I just didn't agree with them, no biggie. An MB is for sharing and debating issues not personal information, that's my opinion. Where it has been relevant I have shared personal information on my professional life, I realise you don't read every post.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2024 21:17:05 GMT
In the case of the Croydon video I’d 100 percent believe those being interviewed than me as they’re more qualified to comment on where they live. I’d take there words ahead of any stat. That’s where I always value posters points of view more if they’ve worked in the respective field as there’s no better opinion than from someone who’s lived the experience and isn’t afraid of being a bit of an open book. No one’s saying you should ever disclose personal information but giving some information about your experiences and life gives other posters a greater idea of why you feel the way you do. There used to be a Poster on here FYD from Croydon that I very rarely agreed with. I would be very sceptical of any of his opinions even if they were claimed to be from personal experience Mostly because we had a different World View They were still his opinions, I just didn't agree with them, no biggie. An MB is for sharing and debating issues not personal information, that's my opinion. Where it has been relevant I have shared personal information on my professional life, I realise you don't read every post. Fair enough. Maybe we’re just different. I just think having some transparency helps humanise people and in some cases explains their beliefs and reasoning for how they feel and why. It’s certainly more thought provoking than just quoting stats and figures. I’ve not always agreed with Ely but I have to say he puts his argument really well and to his credit has won me over re legalising cannabis through his perseverance. Though I’m not a user myself and never have been his arguments a strong one and having seen all this carnage on the streets in recent weeks I’m swaying towards agreeing that he has a point. I think if all he’d done was quote figures and hadn’t put across some more personal stories I wouldn’t have changed my tact.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2024 22:23:30 GMT
There used to be a Poster on here FYD from Croydon that I very rarely agreed with. I would be very sceptical of any of his opinions even if they were claimed to be from personal experience Mostly because we had a different World View They were still his opinions, I just didn't agree with them, no biggie. An MB is for sharing and debating issues not personal information, that's my opinion. Where it has been relevant I have shared personal information on my professional life, I realise you don't read every post. Fair enough. Maybe we’re just different. I just think having some transparency helps humanise people and in some cases explains their beliefs and reasoning for how they feel and why. It’s certainly more thought provoking than just quoting stats and figures. I’ve not always agreed with Ely but I have to say he puts his argument really well and to his credit has won me over re legalising cannabis through his perseverance. Though I’m not a user myself and never have been his arguments a strong one and having seen all this carnage on the streets in recent weeks I’m swaying towards agreeing that he has a point. I think if all he’d done was quote figures and hadn’t put across some more personal stories I wouldn’t have changed my tact. Some people on here didn't think I was Human I.e. without Humanity but an AI Bot, can't remember if you were one of them nor do I care. I'm surprised you can form an opinion on Cannabis without the experience, some people think that's not possible. Personally I smoked about 6 joints in my life, I guess that makes me qualified, the last time about 45 years ago. I can still remember the last time I was in hysterical laughter but couldn't get out of an armchair which caused even more hysterical laughter to my mates. I decided it wasn't for me as I didn't have control, maybe I'm a Control Freak. I can still look at the evidence, statistics if you like and form an opinion. My judgement on reviewing the studies is that controled legalisation the good outways the bad, but not naive enough not to recognise both If people come to a different conclusion I won't be losing sleep
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Post by metalhead on Feb 16, 2024 22:36:10 GMT
As I said it wasn't clear to me if Metalhead was speaking Internationally or Domestically so I covered both bases. If he chooses to reply we will know which he meant. I was being somewhat facetious with my remark as I spent no time checking the actual stats but yes, I was speaking domestically. London clearly has a knife crime problem. Either the number of people stabbed has grown proportionally with the population growth or due to external factors (police cuts, demotivated Met, 10+ years of austerity) but there is no way that the current London is safer than the London of a few years ago.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 16, 2024 22:39:32 GMT
Interestingly, after reviewing the stats, it would appear in 2012, there was a huge drop but that's after almost epidemic levels in 2008.
I wonder if it's cyclical?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 29, 2024 16:19:36 GMT
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/feb/29/met-police-should-never-have-employed-wayne-couzens-report-findsFrom the BBC News website A recap of today's news An inquiry into the 2021 murder of Sarah Everard, being led by Lady Elish Angiolini, has published a report focusing on her murderer, former police officer Wayne Couzens. Here are the key lines: The report said Wayne Couzens should never have been a police officer, and, after he joined the service in 2006, numerous opportunities to stop him were missed The inquiry uncovered evidence that Couzens was repeatedly accused of sexual abuse, including a "very serious sexual assault of a child barely into her teens" when he was in his 20s In 2015, Couzens' car was linked to a report of indecent exposure - but he was not even spoken to The report also found that when Couzens joined the Civil Nuclear Constabulary (CNC) in 2011, an outside force recommended that he should not be recruited, because of his financial debt Sarah Everard's family responded to the report by saying Sarah died because of Couzens' position as a police officer Home Secretary James Cleverly said his department was "taking action to address public confidence in the police" He also announced automatic suspension of police officers charged with certain criminal offences National Police Chiefs' Council chair Chief Constable Gavin Stephens said he was "aghast" at the red flags that were missed before the murder And Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley said the report paints a stark picture that forces are starting from an incredibly low base when it comes to vetting
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 29, 2024 23:19:37 GMT
Police officers protect criminal colleagues.
They are incapable of policing themselves.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 1, 2024 0:06:50 GMT
If the vetting is that poor I shudder to think how many officers in various forces have been 'placed' by organised crime gangs, that was something Neil Woods, the undercover cop, was battling against the whole time he was in the job.
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Post by franklin on Mar 1, 2024 7:06:49 GMT
If the vetting is that poor I shudder to think how many officers in various forces have been 'placed' by organised crime gangs, that was something Neil Woods, the undercover cop, was battling against the whole time he was in the job. The Mets vetting is imho different from other forces, the reason being they require more recruitment per month than any other, around 100 just to stand still not grow numbers so clearly they have a more forgiving vetting than say Cheshire who are very strict. I completely agree vetting should be absolutely strict and the same in every force. However in some cases a minor criminal infraction in a person's youth like minor drug possession or being drunk and disorderly on a night out is that grounds to bar said person from Policing a difficult conundrum to work through. We've all made mistakes and it shouldn't disallow an otherwise good person from the job, people grow up and change.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 1, 2024 7:27:54 GMT
If the vetting is that poor I shudder to think how many officers in various forces have been 'placed' by organised crime gangs, that was something Neil Woods, the undercover cop, was battling against the whole time he was in the job. The Mets vetting is imho different from other forces, the reason being they require more recruitment per month than any other, around 100 just to stand still not grow numbers so clearly they have a more forgiving vetting than say Cheshire who are very strict. I completely agree vetting should be absolutely strict and the same in every force. However in some cases a minor criminal infraction in a person's youth like minor drug possession or being drunk and disorderly on a night out is that grounds to bar said person from Policing a difficult conundrum to work through. We've all made mistakes and it shouldn't disallow an otherwise good person from the job, people grow up and change. After listening to Neil Woods speak at a conference a couple of years ago it seemed it was more widespread than I imagined tbh. He may have been being paranoid (in his shoes I would have been, his life was in danger much of the time) or overstating for effect, I suppose we'll never know. In his opinion tho it wasn't unheard of for organised crime gangs to have someone join the force with the intention of having one of their own on the inside, he had only one contact in the force he trusted when he was working undercover.
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Post by franklin on Mar 1, 2024 7:34:04 GMT
The Mets vetting is imho different from other forces, the reason being they require more recruitment per month than any other, around 100 just to stand still not grow numbers so clearly they have a more forgiving vetting than say Cheshire who are very strict. I completely agree vetting should be absolutely strict and the same in every force. However in some cases a minor criminal infraction in a person's youth like minor drug possession or being drunk and disorderly on a night out is that grounds to bar said person from Policing a difficult conundrum to work through. We've all made mistakes and it shouldn't disallow an otherwise good person from the job, people grow up and change. After listening to Neil Woods speak at a conference a couple of years ago it seemed it was more widespread than I imagined tbh. He may have been being paranoid (in his shoes I would have been, his life was in danger much of the time) or overstating for effect, I suppose we'll never know. In his opinion tho it wasn't unheard of for organised crime gangs to have someone join the force with the intention of having one of their own on the inside, he had only one contact in the force he trusted when he was working undercover. Power and money always corrupts, police, politics in the business world it always happens and again it would be virtually impossible to "stop" I heard a little of the publication of this report and it was that they could not rule out there being another cousins type which I agree with but for context there is no way to rule out another Shipman or Letby so how we deal with these incidents is very difficult and I'm not sure how if im honest.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 1, 2024 7:49:30 GMT
After listening to Neil Woods speak at a conference a couple of years ago it seemed it was more widespread than I imagined tbh. He may have been being paranoid (in his shoes I would have been, his life was in danger much of the time) or overstating for effect, I suppose we'll never know. In his opinion tho it wasn't unheard of for organised crime gangs to have someone join the force with the intention of having one of their own on the inside, he had only one contact in the force he trusted when he was working undercover. Power and money always corrupts, police, politics in the business world it always happens and again it would be virtually impossible to "stop" I heard a little of the publication of this report and it was that they could not rule out there being another cousins type which I agree with but for context there is no way to rule out another Shipman or Letby so how we deal with these incidents is very difficult and I'm not sure how if im honest. Virtually impossible to stamp out completely I'd have thought. An obvious first step for me would be to take away the vast amounts of money these gangs are making by legalising and regulating drugs like we do alcohol. From what I've seen on numerous TV police reality shows it would also free up an enormous amount of police time.
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Post by franklin on Mar 1, 2024 8:00:46 GMT
Power and money always corrupts, police, politics in the business world it always happens and again it would be virtually impossible to "stop" I heard a little of the publication of this report and it was that they could not rule out there being another cousins type which I agree with but for context there is no way to rule out another Shipman or Letby so how we deal with these incidents is very difficult and I'm not sure how if im honest. Virtually impossible to stamp out completely I'd have thought. An obvious first step for me would be to take away the vast amounts of money these gangs are making by legalising and regulating drugs like we do alcohol. From what I've seen on numerous TV police reality shows it would also free up an enormous amount of police time. I agree imho it would be impossible to stop a good person can turn bad and a bad person can turn good we have to be careful not to cripple the Police with vetting because its only applicable at the time unless we do it yearly 🤷♂️
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