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Post by metalhead on Dec 8, 2023 23:49:31 GMT
20 years for attempted murder. First time in a long time I've seen a sentence reflect the severity of the crime. He'll have plenty of time to look back on past decisions.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 25, 2024 6:01:45 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jan 25, 2024 7:50:17 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 25, 2024 10:28:28 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 30, 2024 20:35:25 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jan 30, 2024 22:35:23 GMT
A few more Bad Apples A vulnerable young woman who was the victim of an assault subsequently had a seizure which was filmed on Police Body Cam The 3 Police Officers subsequently watched the video for their personal amusement making sexist comments as the unfortunate young woman's private parts were exposed A Student Police Officer made a complaint about the behaviour, one of which was his Tutor but no disciplinary action was taken nor referred to IOPC The Student Police Officer was dismissed As a result of BBC Investigation the case has now been passed to IOPC www.bbc.com/news/uk-67958136
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 30, 2024 22:41:09 GMT
A few more Bad Apples A vulnerable young woman who was the victim of an assault subsequently had a seizure which was filmed on Police Body Cam The 3 Police Officers subsequently watched the video for their personal amusement making sexist comments as the unfortunate young woman's private parts were exposed A Student Police Officer made a complaint about the behaviour, one of which was his Tutor but no disciplinary action was taken nor referred to IOPC The Student Police Officer was dismissed As a result of BBC Investigation the case has now been passed to IOPC www.bbc.com/news/uk-67958136 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-68013841And back at you Quite a lot of good apples.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 30, 2024 23:53:18 GMT
A few more Bad Apples A vulnerable young woman who was the victim of an assault subsequently had a seizure which was filmed on Police Body Cam The 3 Police Officers subsequently watched the video for their personal amusement making sexist comments as the unfortunate young woman's private parts were exposed A Student Police Officer made a complaint about the behaviour, one of which was his Tutor but no disciplinary action was taken nor referred to IOPC The Student Police Officer was dismissed As a result of BBC Investigation the case has now been passed to IOPC www.bbc.com/news/uk-67958136 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-68013841And back at you Quite a lot of good apples. Whack 🎾 I'm quite sure there are and I'm happy to acknowledge it My point is and always has been that it is ludicrous to claim it is just a few Bad Apples. The documented evidence and consecutive inquires say different The problem goes much deeper than that and it is a Cultural problem Nothing could illustrate that more than the incident I linked which was on BBC News at 10 this evening in case you missed it as I know you're not an avid follower of MSM The Whistleblower was a Student Police Officer who was appalled by his Tutor's Mysoginystic and Sexist behaviour If Police Officers are put in position to Tutor the next generation of Police Officers with these attitudes what hope is there for a Cultural Change? When the Whistleblowers complaint was not acted upon by the Tutors Superiors it shows that the attitude of "nothing to see here" reaches up the chain of Command Without the BBC Investigation, I assume prompted by the Whistleblower, the incident would never have seen the light of day and the Victim, the young lady, would never have known she had been violated by the Police Officers The fact that the BBC Investigation has now prompted a referral to IOPC is at least a prima facie admission that the original investigation was flawed If the Public don't have the confidence in Police Officers to behave lawfully or conduct an investigation with propriety (Internal/External ) how can the Public be expected to believe the Police will carry out their duties to the letter of the Law
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2024 0:10:19 GMT
Whack 🎾 I'm quite sure there are and I'm happy to acknowledge it My point is and always has been that it is ludicrous to claim it is just a few Bad Apples. The documented evidence and consecutive inquires say different The problem goes much deeper than that and it is a Cultural problem Nothing could illustrate that more than the incident I linked which was on BBC News at 10 this evening in case you missed it as I know you're not an avid follower of MSM The Whistleblower was a Student Police Officer who was appalled by his Tutor's Mysoginystic and Sexist behaviour If Police Officers are put in position to Tutor the next generation of Police Officers with these attitudes what hope is there for a Cultural Change? When the Whistleblowers complaint was not acted upon by the Tutors Superiors it shows that the attitude of "nothing to see here" reaches up the chain of Command Without the BBC Investigation, I assume prompted by the Whistleblower, the incident would never have seen the light of day and the Victim, the young lady, would never have known she had been violated by the Police Officers The fact that the BBC Investigation has now prompted a referral to IOPC is at least a prima facie admission that the original investigation was flawed If the Public don't have the confidence in Police Officers to behave lawfully or conduct an investigation with propriety (Internal/External ) how can the Public be expected to believe the Police will carry out their duties to the letter of the Law Not to mention that the perpetrators went Scott free, whilst the trainee cop got booted out of the force for daring to highlight what he had seen.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 31, 2024 0:28:53 GMT
Whack 🎾 I'm quite sure there are and I'm happy to acknowledge it My point is and always has been that it is ludicrous to claim it is just a few Bad Apples. The documented evidence and consecutive inquires say different The problem goes much deeper than that and it is a Cultural problem Nothing could illustrate that more than the incident I linked which was on BBC News at 10 this evening in case you missed it as I know you're not an avid follower of MSM The Whistleblower was a Student Police Officer who was appalled by his Tutor's Mysoginystic and Sexist behaviour If Police Officers are put in position to Tutor the next generation of Police Officers with these attitudes what hope is there for a Cultural Change? When the Whistleblowers complaint was not acted upon by the Tutors Superiors it shows that the attitude of "nothing to see here" reaches up the chain of Command Without the BBC Investigation, I assume prompted by the Whistleblower, the incident would never have seen the light of day and the Victim, the young lady, would never have known she had been violated by the Police Officers The fact that the BBC Investigation has now prompted a referral to IOPC is at least a prima facie admission that the original investigation was flawed If the Public don't have the confidence in Police Officers to behave lawfully or conduct an investigation with propriety (Internal/External ) how can the Public be expected to believe the Police will carry out their duties to the letter of the Law Not to mention that the perpetrators went Scott free, whilst the trainee cop got booted out of the force for daring to highlight what he had seen. I’m happy to acknowledge that there are bad apples however there are some posters that are only interested in raising the negatives around policing without ever accepting the positives (a bit like the press to be fair). I find it interesting that as soon as there’s a post in relation to some great work done by an officer who’s clearly saved people’s lives almost immediately rather than acknowledging the heroics it triggers a negative post (not even Met related). It almost feels there’s a fear of police positivity because it goes against the grain politically to say well done to the officer who did the heroic act I guess it’s easier to pick out the bad stories than the good ones. I suppose because there wasn’t a Met one TVP would have to do
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Post by wannabee on Jan 31, 2024 1:06:19 GMT
Not to mention that the perpetrators went Scott free, whilst the trainee cop got booted out of the force for daring to highlight what he had seen. I’m happy to acknowledge that there are bad apples however there are some posters that are only interested in raising the negatives around policing without ever accepting the positives (a bit like the press to be fair). I find it interesting that as soon as there’s a post in relation to some great work done by an officer who’s clearly saved people’s lives almost immediately rather than acknowledging the heroics it triggers a negative post (not even Met related). It almost feels there’s a fear of police positivity because it goes against the grain politically to say well done to the officer who did the heroic act I guess it’s easier to pick out the bad stories than the good ones. I suppose because there wasn’t a Met one TVP would have to do Good grief you linked two Articles from BBC which rightly showed the Police in a positive light I linked one also from the BBC which I had just watched on BBC News How can you possibly stand over your contention that the press (BBC) only raise negative stories. Its patently untrue as you yourself have just demonstrated Your delusion about a few bad Apples is tedious and in my opinion it does a disservice to the vast Majority of honest Police Officers From MacPherson to Casey and many other inquires/reports in between the findings are consistent over a 20+ year timespan and depressingly the same. As someone who respects British Institutions e.g. Royalty, Law & Order etc I'm puzzled why you refuse to accept the findings of these Official Reports and continue to put forward an alternative viewpoint that is not supported by Official Reports
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 31, 2024 1:11:23 GMT
Not to mention that the perpetrators went Scott free, whilst the trainee cop got booted out of the force for daring to highlight what he had seen. I’m happy to acknowledge that there are bad apples however there are some posters that are only interested in raising the negatives around policing without ever accepting the positives (a bit like the press to be fair). I find it interesting that as soon as there’s a post in relation to some great work done by an officer who’s clearly saved people’s lives almost immediately rather than acknowledging the heroics it triggers a negative post (not even Met related). It almost feels there’s a fear of police positivity because it goes against the grain politically to say well done to the officer who did the heroic act I guess it’s easier to pick out the bad stories than the good ones. I suppose because there wasn’t a Met one TVP would have to do As wannabee said, it's not a tennis match. Teachers are there to teach, surgeons are there to save peoples lives in operating theatres and the police are there (amongst other things) to protect the public. All of them know what they've signed up for. So, all though of course admirable, using random examples of the police doing their job as a counter balance for systemic corruption in the force doesn't actually stand up. If there was widespread evidence of teachers sexually abusing their students or racially abusing students, then using examples of other teachers achieving record grades with other students, doesn't really cut the mustard. If there was widespread evidence of surgeons stealing drugs and selling them on the black market, then using unique examples of a surgeon here and there, performing ground breaking brain surgery to save a patient, isn't going to steer prople's attention away from the systemic corruption going on amongst NHS surgeons. But the thing is, there ISN'T widespread evidence of racism, misogyny and corruption amongst teachers and there ISN'T widespread evidence of racism, misogyny and corruption amongst NHS surgeons. But there IS widespread evidence of racism, misogyny and corruption amongst the police. Quoting examples of people doing the jobs they're paid to do, doesn't somehow negate the fact, that in this particular publicly funded profession specifically, there is an awful lot of unsavoury individuals attracted to working within it. It's almost like you are attempting to deflect from the real problem. I think everybody recognises that there are lots of brilliant policeman, who go above and beyond at times but that doesn't mean in itself, that people can't discuss the very real problem that the police faces. They are in actual fact, two entirely separate discussions.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 31, 2024 11:27:51 GMT
My 22 year old step-daughter is a police officer with Warwickshire constabulary, and I'm immensely proud of her. The job is tough and she's been pretty lucky with the colleagues she has. There was an episode with a tutor who she reported and he was disciplined and never seen again by her. She's hoping to progress to Detective as and when. The case referred to above about the three officers is confusing to me. So, they're still in their jobs and the young lad who complained was dismissed??? How does that make any sense at all? Surely the young officer has a massive unfair dismissal case to bring and associated damages? Not sure we've got the full story...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 31, 2024 11:58:34 GMT
My 22 year old step-daughter is a police officer with Warwickshire constabulary, and I'm immensely proud of her. The job is tough and she's been pretty lucky with the colleagues she has. There was an episode with a tutor who she reported and he was disciplined and never seen again by her. She's hoping to progress to Detective as and when. The case referred to above about the three officers is confusing to me. So, they're still in their jobs and the young lad who complained was dismissed??? How does that make any sense at all? Surely the young officer has a massive unfair dismissal case to bring and associated damages? Not sure we've got the full story... The culture of the person reporting an internal incident being the bad guy rather than the accused needs to change and quickly, it's what drives decent people to say nothing when these "few bad apples" go around causing chaos. It's such a shame for good police officers like your step-daughter..........
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 31, 2024 15:51:56 GMT
My 22 year old step-daughter is a police officer with Warwickshire constabulary, and I'm immensely proud of her. The job is tough and she's been pretty lucky with the colleagues she has. There was an episode with a tutor who she reported and he was disciplined and never seen again by her. She's hoping to progress to Detective as and when. The case referred to above about the three officers is confusing to me. So, they're still in their jobs and the young lad who complained was dismissed??? How does that make any sense at all? Surely the young officer has a massive unfair dismissal case to bring and associated damages? Not sure we've got the full story... You should be very proud of her too. Im sure she’ll do a great job in whatever direction she chooses to go and will do more good and make a bigger difference to people’s lives than most of us do in a lifetime. Though you best prepare her for a fair amount of prejudice because of the job she does. I’m sure that it’s not luck in respect to her colleagues being a good bunch having met a number over the years in my job role the majority are good people like you and I. Unfortunately there is the odd one like her tutor however they’re very much the minority and she should judge as she finds. In relation to the story I’m sure you’re right there is no doubt to this story than meets the eye. I guess a lot depends on where the account comes from as to how precise it is. If what’s printed is truthful then it does seem unfair and clearly the 3 officers behaviour is very poor and they should be drawn over the coals. Who knows what the real reason for the officer losing their job is but it could potentially be a breach of data protection if they’re disclosing information to the papers.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 5, 2024 8:04:36 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 5, 2024 12:13:43 GMT
Failure from the top to accept there is a problem in the face of the findings of a Commissioned Report is an obvious first place to start to understand why an issue doesn't get resolved or even acknowledged. To reinforce this level of denial, Whistleblowers must be discredited to preserve the illusion. As this example and the one above demonstrate This blind allegiance to Institutions and a failure to accept they could be flawed was demonstrated most egregiously by Lord Denning in his 1980 summation in the Court of Appeal - The Appalling Vista. To acknowledge the inequality of the administration of Government, Judiciary, Policing, amongst other things are not equal is to question the fabric of how Society is organised. Those in positions of power will never allow that as they like the Status Quo, thank you very much.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 5, 2024 12:38:22 GMT
Failure from the top to accept there is a problem in the face of the findings of a Commissioned Report is an obvious first place to start to understand why an issue doesn't get resolved or even acknowledged. To reinforce this level of denial, Whistleblowers must be discredited to preserve the illusion. As this example and the one above demonstrate This blind allegiance to Institutions and a failure to accept they could be flawed was demonstrated most egregiously by Lord Denning in his 1980 summation in the Court of Appeal - The Appalling Vista. To acknowledge the inequality of the administration of Government, Judiciary, Policing, amongst other things are not equal is to question the fabric of how Society is organised. Those in positions of power will never allow that as they like the Status Quo, thank you very much. "Failure from the top to accept there is a problem in the face of the findings of a Commissioned Report is an obvious first place to start to understand why an issue doesn't get resolved or even acknowledged." The government have done this with various drug commissions, they evidently prefer policy based evidence to evidence based policies. The last big drug commission, led by Lady Caroline Black, was done with the option of legalising drugs as a solution removed from the remit, just astounding 🤦
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 5, 2024 13:04:27 GMT
Failure from the top to accept there is a problem in the face of the findings of a Commissioned Report is an obvious first place to start to understand why an issue doesn't get resolved or even acknowledged. To reinforce this level of denial, Whistleblowers must be discredited to preserve the illusion. As this example and the one above demonstrate This blind allegiance to Institutions and a failure to accept they could be flawed was demonstrated most egregiously by Lord Denning in his 1980 summation in the Court of Appeal - The Appalling Vista. To acknowledge the inequality of the administration of Government, Judiciary, Policing, amongst other things are not equal is to question the fabric of how Society is organised. Those in positions of power will never allow that as they like the Status Quo, thank you very much. "Failure from the top to accept there is a problem in the face of the findings of a Commissioned Report is an obvious first place to start to understand why an issue doesn't get resolved or even acknowledged." The government have done this with various drug commissions, they evidently prefer policy based evidence to evidence based policies. The last big drug commission, led by Lady Caroline Black, was done with the option of legalising drugs as a solution removed from the remit, just astounding 🤦 All governments do it. It’s politics. Why do you think everyone knows about the food pyramid despite it being pseudoscience? Recommendations were changed to help failing farmers with their bottom line rather than to help the public with their dietary health.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 5, 2024 15:10:23 GMT
"Failure from the top to accept there is a problem in the face of the findings of a Commissioned Report is an obvious first place to start to understand why an issue doesn't get resolved or even acknowledged." The government have done this with various drug commissions, they evidently prefer policy based evidence to evidence based policies. The last big drug commission, led by Lady Caroline Black, was done with the option of legalising drugs as a solution removed from the remit, just astounding 🤦 All governments do it. It’s politics. Why do you think everyone knows about the food pyramid despite it being pseudoscience? Recommendations were changed to help failing farmers with their bottom line rather than to help the public with their dietary health. There's little point in paying for commissions when you're just going to ignore the results and look foolish. You're probably right that all governments do it, the most costly ignoring in terms of money needlessly spent, damage to the planet and the cost to people's health and longevity was almost certainly the LaGuardia committee in 1944 😡 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaGuardia_Committee5 years of research gone to waste and ignored because of a racist narcissist with an agenda. And then the DEA had a statue of him made 🤦
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 7, 2024 17:33:43 GMT
Have the Met searched any mosques to find the acid attacker,because someone is hiding him,or are they afraid of the backlash?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 7, 2024 18:08:42 GMT
Have the Met searched any mosques to find the acid attacker,because someone is hiding him,or are they afraid of the backlash? Probably the latter.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 7, 2024 19:37:24 GMT
Have the Met searched any mosques to find the acid attacker,because someone is hiding him,or are they afraid of the backlash? Probably the latter. The Feds can't just go and raid all the local mosques, that's ridiculous. The fact he's on the run is because he's probably being shielded but I really doubt it'll be in a local mosque. Let's not forget, he's technically a Christian at this point. Has there been an established link between religion and his attack?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 7, 2024 20:52:28 GMT
The Feds can't just go and raid all the local mosques, that's ridiculous. The fact he's on the run is because he's probably being shielded but I really doubt it'll be in a local mosque. Let's not forget, he's technically a Christian at this point. Has there been an established link between religion and his attack? Hi mate hope you’re well. Don’t think there’s any link in relation to religion just think he’s a vile individual.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 7, 2024 21:22:04 GMT
The Feds can't just go and raid all the local mosques, that's ridiculous. The fact he's on the run is because he's probably being shielded but I really doubt it'll be in a local mosque. Let's not forget, he's technically a Christian at this point. Has there been an established link between religion and his attack? Hi mate hope you’re well. Don’t think there’s any link in relation to religion just think he’s a vile individual. Considering his own injuries are potentially also life threatening, there's every chance he may not live for much longer. Ultimately, what's driven him to commit such an awful act? Edit: Good mate... yourself?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 7, 2024 21:36:03 GMT
Hi mate hope you’re well. Don’t think there’s any link in relation to religion just think he’s a vile individual. Considering his own injuries are potentially also life threatening, there's every chance he may not live for much longer. Ultimately, what's driven him to commit such an awful act? Edit: Good mate... yourself? I’d say it’s probably rejection the victim was his ex partner.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 8, 2024 23:07:54 GMT
Considering his own injuries are potentially also life threatening, there's every chance he may not live for much longer. Ultimately, what's driven him to commit such an awful act? Edit: Good mate... yourself? I’d say it’s probably rejection the victim was his ex partner. Ah.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 14, 2024 23:59:46 GMT
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Post by knype on Feb 15, 2024 4:51:36 GMT
As you say, take some bollocks to do that with a large knife being bandied around
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Post by metalhead on Feb 15, 2024 23:17:27 GMT
Decent coppering that. Bigger questions need to be asked about why the hell London is happy-knifing central.
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