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Post by thevoid on Jan 27, 2022 15:34:47 GMT
'If it were not for them, we'd still be competing with Port Vale!' Not sure how you come to that conclusion seeing as the Fail currently inhabit a division we've yet to play in. Interesting revisionism of the Icelandic era there too. They saved the club from a possible spell in the fourth tier under Coates. OK! Hello Gunnar! You may note that I did not mention the Icelandic consortium and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that had Coates not taken over when he did, the then cash strapped consortium could have overseen a slide back down the table. For the record, I was vehemently against Coates & Pulis coming back given their past history - and delighted to be proven wrong! Just as the Icelandic consortium saved us from a slide further into mediocrity, Coates Mark 2 drove us to a decade in the Prem and an FA Cup final. Something that was almost unthinkable during the final throes of the Icelandic stewardship. Back to your original statement .... Our current position is definitely thanks to our owners. 'Our current position is definitely thanks to our owners.' Glad we agree- a decade at the top table thrown away and replaced by financial instability thanks to a combination of complacency (what's all the fuss about?) persisting with Hughes for too long and the laughable appointment of Paul Lambert. And before you say all clubs our size drop eventually- you're probably right there but you'd expect a club with 10 years recent Premier League experience behind it to have made a better impact during the 3.5 seasons it's been in the 2nd tier than we have!
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 27, 2022 15:51:09 GMT
OK! Hello Gunnar! You may note that I did not mention the Icelandic consortium and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that had Coates not taken over when he did, the then cash strapped consortium could have overseen a slide back down the table. For the record, I was vehemently against Coates & Pulis coming back given their past history - and delighted to be proven wrong! Just as the Icelandic consortium saved us from a slide further into mediocrity, Coates Mark 2 drove us to a decade in the Prem and an FA Cup final. Something that was almost unthinkable during the final throes of the Icelandic stewardship. Back to your original statement .... Our current position is definitely thanks to our owners. 'Our current position is definitely thanks to our owners.' Glad we agree- a decade at the top table thrown away and replaced by financial instability thanks to a combination of complacency (what's all the fuss about?) persisting with Hughes for too long and the laughable appointment of Paul Lambert. And before you say all clubs our size drop eventually- you're probably right there but you'd expect a club with 10 years recent Premier League experience behind it to have made a better impact during the 3.5 seasons it's been in the 2nd tier than we have! You would expect that, but it's not that simple, is it? How long were Leeds down here, for example? Sunderland, Ipswich, Charlton...the list of clubs that looked established in the Premier League before relegation is endless. I see Rowett as the main reason we're still struggling.
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Post by baystokie on Jan 27, 2022 16:34:10 GMT
I don't agree on getting rid. But if it happened at the end of the season because we finish 15th or worse. I'd go for the old Norwich boss Daniel Farke, he had them destroying the championship with much less quality than we have. Much less quality? I'd seriously doubt that, football isn't played on paper you know. Also, I've got to say, he also turned them into a complete embarrassment of a Premier League team once they went up, and not just once. I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole if I was appointing a new manager at Stoke. Posters have said it's not the job of Oatcake members to search for any new manager BUT, using your phrase - who WOULD you (and others?) 'touch with a barge pole'? Alternatively, which other candidates would people NOT touch with a barge pole? Collectively, we could save the club hours of decision-making by whittling down the list to a group acceptable to fans.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jan 27, 2022 17:14:01 GMT
OK! Hello Gunnar! You may note that I did not mention the Icelandic consortium and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that had Coates not taken over when he did, the then cash strapped consortium could have overseen a slide back down the table. For the record, I was vehemently against Coates & Pulis coming back given their past history - and delighted to be proven wrong! Just as the Icelandic consortium saved us from a slide further into mediocrity, Coates Mark 2 drove us to a decade in the Prem and an FA Cup final. Something that was almost unthinkable during the final throes of the Icelandic stewardship. Back to your original statement .... Our current position is definitely thanks to our owners. 'Our current position is definitely thanks to our owners.' Glad we agree- a decade at the top table thrown away and replaced by financial instability thanks to a combination of complacency (what's all the fuss about?) persisting with Hughes for too long and the laughable appointment of Paul Lambert. And before you say all clubs our size drop eventually- you're probably right there but you'd expect a club with 10 years recent Premier League experience behind it to have made a better impact during the 3.5 seasons it's been in the 2nd tier than we have! Absolutely Its been a shit show since Hughes’s last season
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 27, 2022 17:46:28 GMT
I could leave shamrock and Brechin in a better position I mean that’s laughable where he’s managed before and people slate Bruce 😂 Why don't you try? Brechin have dropped into non-league I think, so you'd probably be a shoo-in for the job. Was it laughable where Potter had managed before when Swansea took him on? Potter is doing a great job with Brighton and did well with Swansea. Can’t remember who he managed before but they were in champions league playing arsenal don’t know what round it was but I’d say they were better than Brechin and shamrock
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2022 18:01:42 GMT
Why don't you try? Brechin have dropped into non-league I think, so you'd probably be a shoo-in for the job. Was it laughable where Potter had managed before when Swansea took him on? Potter is doing a great job with Brighton and did well with Swansea. Can’t remember who he managed before but they were in champions league playing arsenal don’t know what round it was but I’d say they were better than Brechin and shamrock It was Ostersunds in Sweden and they were a fourth division side when he went there.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 27, 2022 18:18:52 GMT
I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club. I'm hurting watching this shit. What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot. We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves. We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal. The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half. Oneil produces this negative shit. Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours. Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe fuckin Wanderers. If you don't go how do you know these things?
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 27, 2022 18:19:41 GMT
I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club. I'm hurting watching this shit. What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot. We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves. We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal. The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half. Oneil produces this negative shit. Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours. Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe fuckin Wanderers. You don’t remember Paul Williams then, he was shit😂😂🤣
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 27, 2022 18:21:29 GMT
Frank Lampard's Stoke City! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by thevoid on Jan 27, 2022 18:21:59 GMT
'Our current position is definitely thanks to our owners.' Glad we agree- a decade at the top table thrown away and replaced by financial instability thanks to a combination of complacency (what's all the fuss about?) persisting with Hughes for too long and the laughable appointment of Paul Lambert. And before you say all clubs our size drop eventually- you're probably right there but you'd expect a club with 10 years recent Premier League experience behind it to have made a better impact during the 3.5 seasons it's been in the 2nd tier than we have! You would expect that, but it's not that simple, is it? How long were Leeds down here, for example? Sunderland, Ipswich, Charlton...the list of clubs that looked established in the Premier League before relegation is endless. I see Rowett as the main reason we're still struggling. Take your point but Leeds were a car crash of financial mismanagement and had a spell in the 3rd tier after getting a massive points deduction. Sunderland were a crisis club with disinterested owners and were regularly fighting relegation in the Premier (unlike ourselves where the fall from grace was much more sudden). Charlton had some dodgy owners (plus I'd say that they're a smaller club than us). The common denominator here seems to be rank bad ownership, with Ipswich probably being the most surprising out of that lot (I'm not too sure what happened there, lack of investment and Paul Lambert again?) I'm almost certain complacency was a factor in our drop (the infamous 'fuss' quote), added to the possibility of our owners seeing clubs such as Huddersfield and Brighton coming up the season before and assuming they'd take up two of the relegation slots. Well run clubs do not nearly drop two divisions in three seasons.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 27, 2022 18:23:32 GMT
Frank Lampard's Stoke City! Id give my left bollock for lampard to be in the dugout next week And his achievements are?
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 27, 2022 18:25:34 GMT
Well name one. You've asked me if I was making a serious statement, and I was. But you can't name one person although you've alluded to the fact there are loads. You are correct there’s nobody else Let’s hope for Steve Bruce or Tony Pulis 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by thevoid on Jan 27, 2022 18:27:05 GMT
Much less quality? I'd seriously doubt that, football isn't played on paper you know. Also, I've got to say, he also turned them into a complete embarrassment of a Premier League team once they went up, and not just once. I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole if I was appointing a new manager at Stoke. Posters have said it's not the job of Oatcake members to search for any new manager BUT, using your phrase - who WOULD you (and others?) 'touch with a barge pole'? Alternatively, which other candidates would people NOT touch with a barge pole? Collectively, we could save the club hours of decision-making by whittling down the list to a group acceptable to fans. When we were in the Premier League I'd have been over the moon with Claude Puel. Never going to happen though, as, apart from the Flores fiasco, we don't do foreign.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 27, 2022 18:32:25 GMT
Id give my left bollock for lampard to be in the dugout next week And his achievements are? He reached the play offs in his first and only season in the Championship? It's certainly a more relevant CV than managing Northern Ireland, which is a completely different skillset.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 27, 2022 18:36:25 GMT
And his achievements are? He reached the play offs in his first and only season in the Championship? It's certainly a more relevant CV than managing Northern Ireland, which is a completely different skillset. He did nothing with a multi million team. He doesn't seem to the first choice of any other club. He's not proven.
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Post by mowlee on Jan 27, 2022 18:37:12 GMT
Frank Lampard's Stoke City! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 lampards 1/5 on for the Everton job on sky bet
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 27, 2022 18:42:27 GMT
Potter is doing a great job with Brighton and did well with Swansea. Can’t remember who he managed before but they were in champions league playing arsenal don’t know what round it was but I’d say they were better than Brechin and shamrock It was Ostersunds in Sweden and they were a fourth division side when he went there. Didn’t know they were 4th division when he went. He did a remarkable job then regardless of which league. Good sort is potter really like him
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 27, 2022 18:43:31 GMT
I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club. I'm hurting watching this shit. What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot. We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves. We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal. The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half. Oneil produces this negative shit. Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours. Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe fuckin Wanderers. FFS! We beat Hull away 2-0 and could have been more,we scored 2 and created plenty against the standout league leaders,and lost by the odd goal on Tuesday.I'm as disappointed as the next man about our last performance but get a grip,replacing the manager at this stage, with God knows who will achieve nothing.Thank God your not watching live.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 27, 2022 18:43:34 GMT
He reached the play offs in his first and only season in the Championship? It's certainly a more relevant CV than managing Northern Ireland, which is a completely different skillset. He did nothing with a multi million team. He doesn't seem to the first choice of any other club. He's not proven. It's Chelsea, completely different expectations. Doubt he'd drop back to the Championship anyway.
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 27, 2022 18:46:39 GMT
If a new manager could guarantee us real progress from the off then I'd go for him to replace MON but it doesn't work like that. Have supporters not learned anything from the last few years of changing managers? If we were in the relegation zone then I'd probably be with those that want a change. But we're not. We're still in a transitional stage and no way do I want to change the manager until we've given transition a time to work. Many supporters don't have the patience to wait to see it work but they're the same ones who think we should be a Premiership side because we once spent ten years there. It doesn't work like that. Have a look at the leagues below us to see teams who supporters think they should be with the crowd at the top because they were once classed as a top side. OS. Patience...not in abundance nowadays
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 27, 2022 18:47:12 GMT
Id give my left bollock for lampard to be in the dugout next week And his achievements are? Championship play offs with derby Fa cup final with Chelsea and got them to champions league Oh he made mason mount the player he is today and Abraham Mons achievements are ?
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 27, 2022 18:55:26 GMT
Id give my left bollock for lampard to be in the dugout next week And his achievements are? What are MON's achievements? What were anyone's achievements before they won something for the first time / got promoted etc?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 27, 2022 19:02:03 GMT
Can people stop saying "there are no other options". It's a ridiculous statement based on zero evidence. It's a laughable statement. When clubs like Burton are after a manager there are tens of candidates applying. And many foreign managers are desperate for a chance to coach in this country.
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 27, 2022 19:02:35 GMT
I know in not watching live at the ground anymore but I did for nigh on 50 years. Their still my club. I'm hurting watching this shit. What is O,Neill thinking when we set up to pass around the back with players who can’t do it. Harwood-Bellis,Fox,Chester etc certainly cannot. We then have Baker as the only one ready to accept the ball ,as Clucas doesnt want it and Allen incapabable of receiving and passing it so across it goes to the wingabacks The wing backs either hit it down the line and Brown missscontrols or it goes backwards into trouble as the back three play amongst themselves. We are so slow & predictable in our play. Hence why we’ve had si many matches in the past couple of months where we have created absolutely nothing.Not even a shot on goal. The squad we have,its strengths are to attack yet we mostly have seven players in our own half. Oneil produces this negative shit. Other teams players on a pittance compared to ours. Get him gone now were Stoke City. FC not Wycombe fuckin Wanderers. FFS! We beat Hull away 2-0 and could have been more,we scored 2 and created plenty against the standout league leaders,and lost by the odd goal on Tuesday.I'm as disappointed as the next man about our last performance but get a grip,replacing the manager at this stage, with God knows who will achieve nothing.Thank God your not watching live. I thought I read something like 2 wins in 12 or 14???? If so, its a much longer period of shitness than losing the odd game we play well in
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Post by stokerstayinup on Jan 27, 2022 19:02:49 GMT
And his achievements are? Championship play offs with derby Fa cup final with Chelsea and got them to champions league Oh he made mason mount the player he is today and Abraham Mons achievements are ? He got Chelsea to an F.A Cup Final,fuck me what an achievement
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 27, 2022 19:04:07 GMT
Championship play offs with derby Fa cup final with Chelsea and got them to champions league Oh he made mason mount the player he is today and Abraham Mons achievements are ? He got Chelsea to an F.A Cup Final,fuck me what an achievement Slightly better than mons though hey Nobody can tell me mons achievements cos he ain’t got none
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 27, 2022 19:04:10 GMT
My four penneth:
Id give him until the end of the season and if there is not a significant and sustained up turn in form he's gone.
Reasons:
Inability to string a run of positive results together Inability to gain a positive result after going behind Inability to hold onto a lead and mange the game to get three points Poor in game management Inflexible tactics Patchy recruitment No real progress in terms of points or league position Poor quality football
I honestly thing he has no idea of how to address the pressing issues some of which are of his own making
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Post by robrigo on Jan 27, 2022 19:08:24 GMT
My four penneth: Id give him until the end of the season and if there is not a significant and sustained up turn in form he's gone. Reasons: Inability to string a run of positive results together Inability to gain a positive result after going behind Inability to hold onto a lead and mange the game to get three points Poor in game management Inflexible tactics Patchy recruitment No real progress in terms of points or league position Poor quality football I honestly thing he has no idea of how to address the pressing issues some of which are of his own making Agree with every word of this Greenhoff!
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Post by stokerstayinup on Jan 27, 2022 19:11:23 GMT
He got Chelsea to an F.A Cup Final,fuck me what an achievement Slightly better than mons though hey Nobody can tell me mons achievements cos he ain’t got none Well he's won more trophies than your mate
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2022 19:12:25 GMT
He got Chelsea to an F.A Cup Final,fuck me what an achievement Slightly better than mons though hey Nobody can tell me mons achievements cos he ain’t got none Taking Northern Ireland to a major tournament for the first time in 30 years is a decent one tbf.
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