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Post by Scouse on Apr 13, 2022 11:41:52 GMT
Without a major rethink in the transfer market , FFP and young players salaries ..one of the main problems with FFP and indeed the new proposed changes to FFP is there May become a glut of half developed young players , not ready for the Prem , but too costly for Championship clubs to afford to sign , ( either due to the fee , wages or both ) either signing or on loan .. even by those clubs with rich owners , prepared to back their club
Meaning bottle neck problems for Prem clubs , lost or wasted half decent but not exceptional talent from the game .. and a lowering of the standard of Championship football
In addition to lost talent happy to run their Prem contracts down .. the danger to the game as a whole is some Championship clubs may be happy to do deals with Prem clubs for multi loans over a period of time ..effectively becoming a Prem clubs feeder / development team , with no real drive to produce their own players ( other than those immediately snapped up by the parent Prem club ) in effect the Prem club controls the fortunes of the championship club , gives them only the players they want developing and the championship club does enough but no more to stay in the division
Of course our friend from Bristol will no doubt be along shortly to tell us how good FFP is for the game ..when what he really means is having gone bust in 82 he and many Bristol City fans don’t want his club repeating those over spend mistakes should they win promotion and then suffer successive relegations, very laudable if he restricted that thought process to his own club ..but he also wants every other club to wallow forever in the same pile of shit as his own club rather than be allowed to reach for the stars , including and especially those that can afford to do so
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 13, 2022 11:50:53 GMT
Well from what we've seen of THB not in a good way. No problem with that type of loan because of course he could have been but he hasn't so my gut would say better to take another viewed as high potential and roll the dice again than repeat something that's proved quite underwhelming. Can't say I really understand why he's been played instead of Wilmot who'll be here next season and MON was so positive about when we signed him. Is he another one he's signed and is ready to give up on already? You can hardly say he has given up on Wilmot??? He has played in 37 games this season! He's give him a run at RWB when most fans were urging him to play him in midfield. He's clearly not got the passing skills for midfield. He hasn't played at CB since the first week of January though. And I don't think he's played in the middle of a back 4 since he's been at the club, so it's unclear if he fancies him at all there. Not that we know what formation MON fancies playing long-term.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 13, 2022 12:12:31 GMT
From the Manchester Evening News: City are also open to the right offer for 20-year-old Harwood-Bellis following enquiries from a number of Premier League clubs. The England Under-21 star came through the academy and made his first-team debut in September 2019, and had a bright start on loan at Anderlecht this season but switched to Stoke for the second half of the campaign. No chance we will buy him - the clue is enquiries from other Premier clubs. That might be just agent speak to start a bidding war? True but he seems to be thought of more highly than anything he has shown in the wider football world. I even saw a suggestion in a newspaper after the England u21 game that he could be a surprise inclusion in the world cup squad which made me laugh.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 13, 2022 12:22:36 GMT
That might be just agent speak to start a bidding war? True but he seems to be thought of more highly than anything he has shown in the wider football world. I even saw a suggestion in a newspaper after the England u21 game that he could be a surprise inclusion in the world cup squad which made me laugh. Don't think any pl club would make a offer for him, unless they just went up
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 13, 2022 12:46:06 GMT
Don’t understand the scepticism id take him tomorrow v some of the older legs and he’s only improving , i suspect our loan targets are two from him Doyle and Delap and thats why cousins has such a prominent role
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 13, 2022 12:47:53 GMT
He’s a mistake waiting to happen, poor signing, poor player, poor manager. The latter has to go!!!!!!!
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Post by femark on Apr 13, 2022 13:05:56 GMT
He’s a mistake waiting to happen, poor signing, poor player, poor manager. The latter has to go!!!!!!! I'm going to steal your exclamation mark key
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 13, 2022 13:17:59 GMT
Don't steal it, just shove it somewhere he'll struggle to find it again.
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Post by lordb on Apr 13, 2022 13:30:20 GMT
Don’t understand the scepticism id take him tomorrow v some of the older legs and he’s only improving , i suspect our loan targets are two from him Doyle and Delap and thats why cousins has such a prominent role It's because he makes too many big mistakes However, and this might sound a bit daft, generally his game is good, positioning is good/reads the danger, strong, wins headers and tackles, interceptions, very good passing (except when he has a brainfart and gives it away leading to goals), and can play right across the back Lacks pace As you say he's improving He'll probably end up being a regular Premier League CB However we have two good CB prospects of our own and if he's for sale rather than another loan then he's not going to be a priority
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Post by lordb on Apr 13, 2022 13:30:55 GMT
Don’t understand the scepticism id take him tomorrow v some of the older legs and he’s only improving , i suspect our loan targets are two from him Doyle and Delap and thats why cousins has such a prominent role Doyle looking good at Cardiff
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 13, 2022 14:38:57 GMT
Is Delap back playing by the way?
Just checked myself...he is, and he's back doing what he does best!!!! Could we possibly get him on loan for next season?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 13, 2022 15:32:04 GMT
Is Delap back playing by the way? Just checked myself...he is, and he's back doing what he does best!!!! Could we possibly get him on loan for next season? I'm intrigued as to just how many of the people who constantly jizz over Liam Delap have actually seen him play even a whole game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2022 16:15:23 GMT
Don’t understand the scepticism id take him tomorrow v some of the older legs and he’s only improving , i suspect our loan targets are two from him Doyle and Delap and thats why cousins has such a prominent role Doyle looking good at Cardiff Doyle is one you'd hope we might be able to buy possibly. He's from Sandbach so you'd hope he'd want to stay in the north west over going anywhere else too. Bloody good player but still might be too expensive still.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 13, 2022 17:09:21 GMT
He’s a mistake waiting to happen, poor signing, poor player, poor manager. The latter has to go!!!!!!! I'm going to steal your exclamation mark key Swap it with the x key so he’s blowing kisses every post
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Post by lordb on Apr 13, 2022 17:27:45 GMT
Is Delap back playing by the way? Just checked myself...he is, and he's back doing what he does best!!!! Could we possibly get him on loan for next season? I'm intrigued as to just how many of the people who constantly jizz over Liam Delap have actually seen him play even a whole game. I have He's an extremely exciting young player
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 13, 2022 20:08:53 GMT
Don’t understand the scepticism id take him tomorrow v some of the older legs and he’s only improving , i suspect our loan targets are two from him Doyle and Delap and thats why cousins has such a prominent role It's because he makes too many big mistakes However, and this might sound a bit daft, generally his game is good, positioning is good/reads the danger, strong, wins headers and tackles, interceptions, very good passing (except when he has a brainfart and gives it away leading to goals), and can play right across the back Lacks pace As you say he's improving He'll probably end up being a regular Premier League CB However we have two good CB prospects of our own and if he's for sale rather than another loan then he's not going to be a priority Dont rule out a loan with an option too buy at a big ish price if we get promoted
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 13, 2022 21:04:28 GMT
Is Delap back playing by the way? Just checked myself...he is, and he's back doing what he does best!!!! Could we possibly get him on loan for next season? I'm intrigued as to just how many of the people who constantly jizz over Liam Delap have actually seen him play even a whole game. I’ve never seen him play and basing my comment on what experienced observers and fans of the game say about him. And he recently scored two, made the third and received rave reviews. No jizz in sight though.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 13, 2022 21:55:57 GMT
He’s a mistake waiting to happen, poor signing, poor player, poor manager. The latter has to go!!!!!!! You really are something special…..in comedy or windups. E.specially clueless with regard to footballing matters
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 13, 2022 22:24:42 GMT
Steady those pints & keep yer heads down. They're winding up the 'Duck.
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 14, 2022 1:33:52 GMT
He’s a mistake waiting to happen, poor signing, poor player, poor manager. The latter has to go!!!!!!! You really are something special…..in comedy or windups. E.specially clueless with regard to footballing matters He makes mistake after mistake which makes him a poor signing and my opinion, we have a poor manager. I know more that you think grandad when it comes to football matters!!!!!!!!!
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Post by biglad180 on Apr 14, 2022 9:23:01 GMT
question is if Man city are looking to sell him could we afford buy him, don,t get this poor signing thing. he is a young lad who will get better,lots on here me included thought that Soutter was a duffer when he first came into the team and he proved a lot of us wrong, i would also look at taking Bidace on loan again i think he will be a good player in the future,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2022 9:28:48 GMT
THB looks really good to me. Lots of mistakes for sure but he’s young and learning and you’d hope they will stop as time progresses.
I’m not sure I’d want him back on loan because I think our time and effort needs to be focussed on Forrester and Taylor. And having a load hinder their development is poor.
I’d love for us to sign him though but sadly don’t think there’s a chance.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 14, 2022 9:38:01 GMT
How would signing THB help Forrester and Taylor though? It won't happen of course as the fee would be far too high. Don't you think we need a left footed centre back in the squad? We don't have one at the moment if you include Souttar, Willmott, Jagielka, THB, Chester, Forrester and Taylor, and Baath wasn't left footed either. It's an oversight in my view. The right loans in the right positions (as ever) next season could make a massive difference. If JPB came back (we've hardly seen what he can do, but he looks a player) then DWP would get little game time and MON would have to think tactics and set up. However, he could be an option in a front three or even playing behind a striker in the absence of Powell.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 14, 2022 10:01:31 GMT
question is if Man city are looking to sell him could we afford buy him, don,t get this poor signing thing. he is a young lad who will get better,lots on here me included thought that Soutter was a duffer when he first came into the team and he proved a lot of us wrong, i would also look at taking Bidace on loan again i think he will be a good player in the future, May get better. I don't understand why a lot on here think that because they are young they'll definitely improve (not just yourself), it doesn't always work out like that, any way rant over as you were
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 14, 2022 11:18:59 GMT
I'm intrigued as to just how many of the people who constantly jizz over Liam Delap have actually seen him play even a whole game. I’ve never seen him play and basing my comment on what experienced observers and fans of the game say about him. And he recently scored two, made the third and received rave reviews. No jizz in sight though. Experienced observers including his own club's fans who rave about him and a panel of global journalists who named him one of the world's top 50 players under 20 just a couple of weeks ago in the NXGN awards (which Bellingham won for those interested). I suspect Lee means that he hasn't seen him play and knows little about him, so therefore presumes no-one else in the world has or does either.
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Post by datguy on Apr 14, 2022 11:22:50 GMT
Not in the top 3 players I'd be wanting from Man City on loan.
Liam Delap, Tommy Doyle, Gavin Bazanu, Morgan Rogers I'd want to give a go if we could get them for a season.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 14, 2022 11:30:03 GMT
THB looks really good to me. Lots of mistakes for sure but he’s young and learning and you’d hope they will stop as time progresses. I’m not sure I’d want him back on loan because I think our time and effort needs to be focussed on Forrester and Taylor. And having a load hinder their development is poor. I’d love for us to sign him though but sadly don’t think there’s a chance. Signing THB means we have a player that can play on the right or left of a 3 as well as in a 2. I think a central defensive unit of THB, Wilmott, Souttar, Taylor and Forrester would be decent providing we sign a couple of proper full backs to play alongside whatever combination gets picked........
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Post by biglad180 on Apr 14, 2022 12:19:45 GMT
question is if Man city are looking to sell him could we afford buy him, don,t get this poor signing thing. he is a young lad who will get better,lots on here me included thought that Soutter was a duffer when he first came into the team and he proved a lot of us wrong, i would also look at taking Bidace on loan again i think he will be a good player in the future, May get better. I don't understand why a lot on here think that because they are young they'll definitely improve (not just yourself), it doesn't always work out like that, any way rant over as you were i said will get better not may get better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2022 12:20:08 GMT
THB looks really good to me. Lots of mistakes for sure but he’s young and learning and you’d hope they will stop as time progresses. I’m not sure I’d want him back on loan because I think our time and effort needs to be focussed on Forrester and Taylor. And having a load hinder their development is poor. I’d love for us to sign him though but sadly don’t think there’s a chance. Signing THB means we have a player that can play on the right or left of a 3 as well as in a 2. I think a central defensive unit of THB, Wilmott, Souttar, Taylor and Forrester would be decent providing we sign a couple of proper full backs to play alongside whatever combination gets picked........ I think for now though with Souttar being God knows how far from full fitness and the rawness of Taylor we need an experienced player there. I’d keep Jagielka for another year. Ease Souttar back with the aim for him getting fit for Australia if they qualify for the World Cup and going from there tbh. If there’s a chance we can sign THB permanently though then we have to. Just not on loan.
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Post by crowey on Apr 14, 2022 12:22:58 GMT
THB looks really good to me. Lots of mistakes for sure but he’s young and learning and you’d hope they will stop as time progresses. I’m not sure I’d want him back on loan because I think our time and effort needs to be focussed on Forrester and Taylor. And having a load hinder their development is poor. I’d love for us to sign him though but sadly don’t think there’s a chance. … I’d have hm back again next season on loan. He will only get better
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