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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 30, 2021 13:29:35 GMT
MON didn't sign him ? When your limited to the amount of loans signings you can make then it does matter. Loan signings make a huge difference in the majority of promotion sides. Where was the background checks with Sima ? Who did his medical ? Was Sima injured when he arrived? I thought he got injured after we’d signed him? Ostigard going back is weird, he’s one of our three best centre backs. If I remember rightly Sima was injured when he arrived, recovered and picked up a completely unrelated impact injury. As far as I can see it was just bad luck and nothing to do with a lack of due diligence on our part. Ostigard going back is weird from a Stoke perspective but if MoN isn't prepared to guarantee game time to Ostigard (and why should he guarantee any player game time - especially a loanee over a contracted player) then it's perfectly understandable from Ostigard's and Brighton's perspective who want him to have game time. I really don't think we are entirely in control of this decision and if the player isn't happy with the situation there really isn't any point keeping him if he isn't motivated. I like Ostigard as a player but he's very much limited to playing on the right of a back 3 where he's up against Wilmott and while I think Ostigard is a better out and out defender Wilmott is more like the sort of ball playing defender O'Neill appears to favour so it's a bit swings and roundabouts rather than a clear cut decision as to who gets to play. I think we look stronger at the back with Ostigard in the side but more creative when Wilmott plays. As much as I like Batth as a defender we miss Souttar for the same reason. If Ostigard allows us to bring in a Souttar like player to displace Batth (who is good cover in the centre and on the right of a back 3) it give O'Neill the chance to shape the defence the way he wants us to play. If we don't get a decent replacement in for Ostigard losing him will be a bit of a disaster but it's too early to make that call. The other interesting factor is how Edwards is shaping up in training - especially given his time as a centre back when on loan. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 30, 2021 13:44:57 GMT
He's done okay, filled a gap and allowed us to send our own young defenders out on loan. Don't know what all the drama is about. The drama is the race to surpass 125,000 posts by New Years Eve 👍😁
To be fair it’s a forum doesn’t matter if you do 5 or 125,000 posts that’s what it’s for |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2021 14:12:12 GMT
Was Sima injured when he arrived? I thought he got injured after we’d signed him? Ostigard going back is weird, he’s one of our three best centre backs. If I remember rightly Sima was injured when he arrived, recovered and picked up a completely unrelated impact injury. As far as I can see it was just bad luck and nothing to do with a lack of due diligence on our part. Ostigard going back is weird from a Stoke perspective but if MoN isn't prepared to guarantee game time to Ostigard (and why should he guarantee any player game time - especially a loanee over a contracted player) then it's perfectly understandable from Ostigard's and Brighton's perspective who want him to have game time. I really don't think we are entirely in control of this decision and if the player isn't happy with the situation there really isn't any point keeping him if he isn't motivated. I like Ostigard as a player but he's very much limited to playing on the right of a back 3 where he's up against Wilmott and while I think Ostigard is a better out and out defender Wilmott is more like the sort of ball playing defender O'Neill appears to favour so it's a bit swings and roundabouts rather than a clear cut decision as to who gets to play. I think we look stronger at the back with Ostigard in the side but more creative when Wilmott plays. As much as I like Batth as a defender we miss Souttar for the same reason. If Ostigard allows us to bring in a Souttar like player to displace Batth (who is good cover in the centre and on the right of a back 3) it give O'Neill the chance to shape the defence the way he wants us to play. If we don't get a decent replacement in for Ostigard losing him will be a bit of a disaster but it's too early to make that call. The other interesting factor is how Edwards is shaping up in training - especially given his time as a centre back when on loan. I think the most balanced back three we had was with Wilmot on the left of the three and Ostigard on the right. I know Wilmot’s form has tailed off but I’m slightly surprised if we’ve decided that isn’t viable at all now. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 30, 2021 14:39:29 GMT
I’m pretty sure it’s to give us more wriggle room in the transfer market over the next few weeks with the injuries we have in the squad. No more no less……. Room we could have had by not giving Chester a contract. More useless transfer business. Giving Chester a contract has nothing to do with the current injury situation….. |
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Post by Ron on Dec 30, 2021 14:44:43 GMT
I don’t think we need to wet the bed about this one. Despite looking half decent initially was a pretty standard championship centre back.
Been keeping clean sheets without him.
Need another cb in the squad now tho mind.
Personally I think fox does a steady job as lcb- as he did during our decent patch of form last season.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 30, 2021 14:51:47 GMT
Another loan/ recruitment howler Ot a howler, a punt that cost us very little. Turns out he is no better than what we have and good to free up wages and hopefully sign a better replacement. Flexible use of resources seems exactly what we have to do. Our strategy is loans and only paying fees for young players with potential. Seems a very sensible approach given our finances and past history. With 11 more players out of contract by the summer and the Covid write offs, we are playing a blunder in restructuring the club. This season is a bonus in terms of league position, a big push next season is clearly the plan. There is nothing to suggest that we have any clue as to how to recruit , keep fit and maintain a sustained promotion push next season , wilder and Cooper seem to be managing it in a matter of weeks , I’ll grant you it’s taken Mowbray a few years |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 15:04:36 GMT
Why do you feel the need to be so aggressive when someone questions your omniscience? It’s not aggression. Of course it’s an opinion, it doesn’t need to be stated that it is 🤦♂️😂 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 15:05:25 GMT
Room we could have had by not giving Chester a contract. More useless transfer business. Giving Chester a contract has nothing to do with the current injury situation….. Letting a player who is fit go makes total sense then. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 30, 2021 15:30:25 GMT
Giving Chester a contract has nothing to do with the current injury situation….. Letting a player who is fit go makes total sense then. It makes sense in that Chester plays on the left and Ostigard the right, and that our new priority will need to be in midfield because of the amount of injured players we have. Total sense…….. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 15:38:30 GMT
Letting a player who is fit go makes total sense then. It makes sense in that Chester plays on the left and Ostigard the right, and that our new priority will need to be in midfield because of the amount of injured players we have. Total sense…….. We haven’t seen Ostigard on the left and he can’t be any worse than Chester there. How does getting rid of a centre back allow us to get a central midfielder? |
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Post by samba :) on Dec 30, 2021 16:24:14 GMT
He’s norweigen
Came to stoke for half a season
There’s an air of disappointment that he’s leaving
Ostigardddd
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2021 16:31:09 GMT
Ot a howler, a punt that cost us very little. Turns out he is no better than what we have and good to free up wages and hopefully sign a better replacement. Flexible use of resources seems exactly what we have to do. Our strategy is loans and only paying fees for young players with potential. Seems a very sensible approach given our finances and past history. With 11 more players out of contract by the summer and the Covid write offs, we are playing a blunder in restructuring the club. This season is a bonus in terms of league position, a big push next season is clearly the plan. There is nothing to suggest that we have any clue as to how to recruit , keep fit and maintain a sustained promotion push next season , wilder and Cooper seem to be managing it in a matter of weeks , I’ll grant you it’s taken Mowbray a few years Alright Benj how’s it going. Just out of interest how many players have Wilder and Cooper recruited for their current clubs? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2021 16:37:04 GMT
Why do you feel the need to be so aggressive when someone questions your omniscience? It’s not aggression. Of course it’s an opinion, it doesn’t need to be stated that it is 🤦♂️😂 Righty ho. 😉 |
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Post by mowlee on Dec 30, 2021 16:38:09 GMT
There is nothing to suggest that we have any clue as to how to recruit , keep fit and maintain a sustained promotion push next season , wilder and Cooper seem to be managing it in a matter of weeks , I’ll grant you it’s taken Mowbray a few years Alright Benj how’s it going. Just out of interest how many players have Wilder and Cooper recruited for their current clubs? wilder will get boro up before mon does us.. an that’s is he ever does get us up.. wilder not even 2 months into a job.. mon just over 2 years |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2021 16:48:49 GMT
Alright Benj how’s it going. Just out of interest how many players have Wilder and Cooper recruited for their current clubs? wilder will get boro up before mon does us.. an that’s is he ever does get us up.. wilder not even 2 months into a job.. mon just over 2 years That wasn’t the question. And not particularly relevant to the post Benji made either. He was talking about how their recruitment and management was sustaining a promotion push at their current clubs. As you so astutely pointed out neither has been in the role during a transfer window so are basically utilising the players bought by the previous managers. Not unlike MON with us in November 2019. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 30, 2021 17:11:18 GMT
There is nothing to suggest that we have any clue as to how to recruit , keep fit and maintain a sustained promotion push next season , wilder and Cooper seem to be managing it in a matter of weeks , I’ll grant you it’s taken Mowbray a few years Alright Benj how’s it going. Just out of interest how many players have Wilder and Cooper recruited for their current clubs? Not bad at all thanks hope your all good . of course your right but the critical difference us both have proven they can recruit a play off or promotion team , boro Rumour has it have two key additions lined up abd while they won’t be huge names I fancy they will -yeh them on and there’s very mixed evidence to suggest we can do that especially in the loan market where only sawyers could be an exception to the view we’ve made a complete horlicks of it ,we’ve a group if Liam players who’ve added no more than imbula and Wimmer which while they cost nowhere like those is a sobering fact even in the festive season |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 30, 2021 17:26:40 GMT
It makes sense in that Chester plays on the left and Ostigard the right, and that our new priority will need to be in midfield because of the amount of injured players we have. Total sense…….. We haven’t seen Ostigard on the left and he can’t be any worse than Chester there. How does getting rid of a centre back allow us to get a central midfielder? FFP. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2021 17:40:19 GMT
Alright Benj how’s it going. Just out of interest how many players have Wilder and Cooper recruited for their current clubs? Not bad at all thanks hope your all good . of course your right but the critical difference us both have proven they can recruit a play off or promotion team , boro Rumour has it have two key additions lined up abd while they won’t be huge names I fancy they will -yeh them on and there’s very mixed evidence to suggest we can do that especially in the loan market where only sawyers could be an exception to the view we’ve made a complete horlicks of it ,we’ve a group if Liam players who’ve added no more than imbula and Wimmer which while they cost nowhere like those is a sobering fact even in the festive season Are you there tonight? I know what you’re saying but Forest and Boro have just been battling FFP over the last 4 years. We’ve been battling FFP and the horrendous recruitment of previous managers. O’Neill has had both hands tied behind his back and a blindfold on. The amount of shit he’s helped to offload should earn him our undying gratitude. His recruitment has been patchy but when you consider the circumstances hardly surprising. Give him a couple of windows when we aren’t on a FFP knife edge and then judge him. That’s all. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 30, 2021 19:08:56 GMT
Not bad at all thanks hope your all good . of course your right but the critical difference us both have proven they can recruit a play off or promotion team , boro Rumour has it have two key additions lined up abd while they won’t be huge names I fancy they will -yeh them on and there’s very mixed evidence to suggest we can do that especially in the loan market where only sawyers could be an exception to the view we’ve made a complete horlicks of it ,we’ve a group if Liam players who’ve added no more than imbula and Wimmer which while they cost nowhere like those is a sobering fact even in the festive season Are you there tonight? I know what you’re saying but Forest and Boro have just been battling FFP over the last 4 years. We’ve been battling FFP and the horrendous recruitment of previous managers. O’Neill has had both hands tied behind his back and a blindfold on. The amount of shit he’s helped to offload should earn him our undying gratitude. His recruitment has been patchy but when you consider the circumstances hardly surprising. Give him a couple of windows when we aren’t on a FFP knife edge and then judge him. That’s all. Yep , albeit I might bugger off again now I know browns playing 😉 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2021 2:50:43 GMT
Tonight showed why Batth can’t play there.
Wilmot needs to be central if we carry on with it.
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Post by houstonsteve on Dec 31, 2021 3:30:59 GMT
Brightons staff probably looking at Stokes back 3 and wondering how the hell isn't he playing in that team.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2022 22:20:34 GMT
Linked in Norway to a loan to Genoa!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2022 22:34:21 GMT
Norwegian TV reporting he's off to Genoa tomorrow. Decent move for him. Serie A, albeit a relegation battle
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jan 2, 2022 22:43:30 GMT
Norwegian TV reporting he's off to Genoa tomorrow. Decent move for him. Serie A, albeit a relegation battle Only fairly recently changed managers I think. Appointed former Ukraine presidential candidate Andriy Shevchenko. Strange career path. |
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Post by fazza90 on Jan 2, 2022 22:49:23 GMT
I love his attitude but his ability isn't anything special. I never thought I would have said this at the start of the season but we actually look more solid with Fox as part of the back 3.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2022 22:51:39 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2022 23:40:17 GMT
Its a strange thing for us to agree to (sending him back) if we don't have someone already lined up, another injury and we're screwed.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 3, 2022 0:49:19 GMT
Its a strange thing for us to agree to (sending him back) if we don't have someone already lined up, another injury and we're screwed. Think the manager was relying on Edwards to make some type of impact so looks like a very bad decision. |
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 3, 2022 1:21:12 GMT
Ostigard leaves just before Edwards' injury is reported.
Somebody needs to find that old woman with the voodoo doll.
Bet she wears Vale colors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 1:28:27 GMT
So we can definitely conclude that he wasn't recalled by Brighton for their own defence.
Seems it must have been Stoke/the manager.
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