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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 22:02:30 GMT
Ostigard isn't good enough. Not surprised he's going back. Get Souttar in with a left sided CB
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 22:06:55 GMT
Ok Dave, what's the craic here then? Muni is liking posts on Twitter saying 'see you soon' and you've now mentioned him - and anyone on this board for longer than a year will know you get the odd snippet. Is Muni on his way back?
I've no idea mate. Put it for the very reason you mention. He'd be perfect for how we want to play wouldn't he? No way is he returning as anything other than a supporter though sadly. He absolutely would fit in and would be one of the best defenders in the league, when not injured...  |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 29, 2021 22:41:39 GMT
Another loan/ recruitment howler
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Post by kustokie on Dec 29, 2021 22:54:40 GMT
MON didn't sign him ? When your limited to the amount of loans signings you can make then it does matter. Loan signings make a huge difference in the majority of promotion sides. Where was the background checks with Sima ? Who did his medical ? Sima's injury was an impact injury which occurred in a match after he signed. Please explain what difference his medical would have made to that? Players get injured, if you have a series of groin strains or hamstring pulls that's down to poor pre season and training We haven't had those When you have a series of impact injuries that's bad luck full stop. Can you define bad luck? |
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Post by kustokie on Dec 29, 2021 22:57:12 GMT
Ostigard isn't good enough. Not surprised he's going back. Get Souttar in with a left sided CB That may be the long term solution. However, we need a quick fix now to stay in contention. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2021 0:18:19 GMT
Ostigard isn't good enough. Not surprised he's going back. Get Souttar in with a left sided CB He’s better than Batth and Chester |
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Post by ashleyscfc on Dec 30, 2021 2:38:33 GMT
Tom Edwards back and maybe a loan recall for a youth player on the cards or John Soutarr in on a perm.
O Neil is up to something.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 2:42:56 GMT
Has to be a fallout behind the scenes. I’d be frustrated at being dropped for Chester to be honest, but MON does give chances when they are due. Have to imagine he wasn’t prepared to wait for his next chance to prove himself. Chester was awful though and kept getting picked and then was on the bench. He had every right to fume with that. But I don’t think it’s happened. Brighton and Ostigard clearly want him playing games and he’s not getting that here for some bizarre reason. Suppose we’ll never know. Edwards returning after spending much of a season playing as a right-sided centre back may also have something to do with it. Maybe the club has had a bit of a frank discussion with Brighton and told them they need to value Edwards’ more (will only make sense if we try to use him). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 3:03:55 GMT
Chester was awful though and kept getting picked and then was on the bench. He had every right to fume with that. But I don’t think it’s happened. Brighton and Ostigard clearly want him playing games and he’s not getting that here for some bizarre reason. Suppose we’ll never know. Edwards returning after spending much of a season playing as a right-sided centre back may also have something to do with it. Maybe the club has had a bit of a frank discussion with Brighton and told them they need to value Edwards’ more (will only make sense if we try to use him). Has Edwards played most of the season as right sided CB though? Only seen him 3 or ,4 times but playing right back. He did fill in there but not sure regularly. Hope we have someone new earmarked personally rather that Edwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 3:22:45 GMT
Suppose we’ll never know. Edwards returning after spending much of a season playing as a right-sided centre back may also have something to do with it. Maybe the club has had a bit of a frank discussion with Brighton and told them they need to value Edwards’ more (will only make sense if we try to use him). Has Edwards played most of the season as right sided CB though? Only seen him 3 or ,4 times but playing right back. He did fill in there but not sure regularly. Hope we have someone new earmarked personally rather that Edwards. According to this: www.transfermarkt.us/tom-edwards/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/430788/wettbewerb/MLS1/saison/2020he has. I’ve watched a few games this season, but mostly in the background whilst at a bar, so can only really go on that. Says that 16 of the games he’s played have been at centre half. According to ESPN, he’s only managed two assists all season as well, which indicates either a poor season at full back, or a nothing stat for someone mostly employed at centre half. When I cross referenced a few of the fixtures on Transfermarkt with the lineups/formations released for the games on Google, they appeared to be accurate. Also, it seems their coach did a lot of tinkering with formations, playing 3-5-2, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1 etc over a short period of time. Felt like a very American approach to football. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 3:33:18 GMT
Has Edwards played most of the season as right sided CB though? Only seen him 3 or ,4 times but playing right back. He did fill in there but not sure regularly. Hope we have someone new earmarked personally rather that Edwards. According to this: www.transfermarkt.us/tom-edwards/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/430788/wettbewerb/MLS1/saison/2020he has. I’ve watched a few games this season, but mostly in the background whilst at a bar, so can only really go on that. Says that 16 of the games he’s played have been at centre half. According to ESPN, he’s only managed two assists all season as well, which indicates either a poor season at full back, or a nothing stat for someone mostly employed at centre half. When I cross referenced a few of the fixtures on Transfermarkt with the lineups/formations released for the games on Google, they appeared to be accurate. Also, it seems their coach did a lot of tinkering with formations, playing 3-5-2, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1 etc over a short period of time. Felt like a very American approach to football. Like the MLS but not seen a great deal of Edwards. Looked no different to when he left us to me, wayward crossing and a bit sluggish. Be quite happy if we moved him on personally as don't think he'll add anything to us at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 7:23:29 GMT
Tom Edwards back and maybe a loan recall for a youth player on the cards or John Soutarr in on a perm. O Neil is up to something. You'd hope it's a perm like Kevin Keegan used to have. |
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Post by bertiestan on Dec 30, 2021 10:23:03 GMT
Something has definitely gone on with Leo behind the scenes imo...it's not like Brighton are recalling him to use him... he'll be straight out on loan again... O'Neill said "both parties agree it's best he goes back to Brighton".
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 30, 2021 10:25:00 GMT
Something has definitely gone on with Leo behind the scenes imo...it's not like Brighton are recalling him to use him... he'll be straight out on loan again... O'Neill said "both parties agree it's best he goes back to Brighton". Spot on mate |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 10:32:15 GMT
Ostigard isn't good enough. Not surprised he's going back. Get Souttar in with a left sided CB He’s better than Batth and Chester Is he better 4han Batth? As an out and out centre half I'd say that's very debatable. He should have played more games for us than he has, and especially since Souttars injury, but not in place of Batth, who has been our best centre half in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 10:33:33 GMT
Never let the facts get in the way of the chance to bash the manager of your club. What facts ? The facts that I see is that MON made two loan signings in the summer. 1 he now doesn't fancy and the other hasn't played for 5 months.. With the predicament we're in loans need to be astute. Exactly. You don't know the facts, so bashing the club/manager over this is wrong. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2021 10:34:22 GMT
He’s better than Batth and Chester Is he better 4han Batth? As an out and out centre half I'd say that's very debatable. He should have played more games for us than he has, and especially since Souttars injury, but not in place of Batth, who has been our best centre half in my opinion. Yes. Everyone seems to have forgotten Batth's capacity for unforced brain farts just because they haven't happened with the same frequency this season as in prior seasons. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 30, 2021 10:38:43 GMT
MON said early on that Ostigard could only play on the right of the 3 though - and not in the middle or on the left. Doesn't appear he was ever considered for one of the other roles.
So it seems he was only ever competing with Wilmot (once it became clear that Wilmot wasn't the answer on the left in MON's mind)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 10:40:02 GMT
Chester was awful though and kept getting picked and then was on the bench. He had every right to fume with that. But I don’t think it’s happened. Brighton and Ostigard clearly want him playing games and he’s not getting that here for some bizarre reason. Suppose we’ll never know. Edwards returning after spending much of a season playing as a right-sided centre back may also have something to do with it. Maybe the club has had a bit of a frank discussion with Brighton and told them they need to value Edwards’ more (will only make sense if we try to use him). We still need another CB even if that’s the case. So it’s very strange. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 30, 2021 10:41:01 GMT
Another loan/ recruitment howler Ot a howler, a punt that cost us very little. Turns out he is no better than what we have and good to free up wages and hopefully sign a better replacement. Flexible use of resources seems exactly what we have to do. Our strategy is loans and only paying fees for young players with potential. Seems a very sensible approach given our finances and past history. With 11 more players out of contract by the summer and the Covid write offs, we are playing a blunder in restructuring the club. This season is a bonus in terms of league position, a big push next season is clearly the plan. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 10:46:51 GMT
Another loan/ recruitment howler Ot a howler, a punt that cost us very little. Turns out he is no better than what we have and good to free up wages and hopefully sign a better replacement. Flexible use of resources seems exactly what we have to do. Our strategy is loans and only paying fees for young players with potential. Seems a very sensible approach given our finances and past history. With 11 more players out of contract by the summer and the Covid write offs, we are playing a blunder in restructuring the club. This season is a bonus in terms of league position, a big push next season is clearly the plan. Who’s he not better than? |
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 30, 2021 10:49:13 GMT
Ostigard clearly wants to be playing regularly so that he can push for a starting spot at Brighton. Brighton clearly want him to be playing regularly, that's why players get sent out on loan. MON clearly wasn't going to be starting Ostigard on a regular basis (for whatever reason)
Weigh all that up and Osti going back, and out on loan again, makes perfect sense for both him and Brighton, and probably makes sense for us too if we aren't going to play him, and can now get someone else in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 10:57:58 GMT
Is he better 4han Batth? As an out and out centre half I'd say that's very debatable. He should have played more games for us than he has, and especially since Souttars injury, but not in place of Batth, who has been our best centre half in my opinion. Yes. Everyone seems to have forgotten Batth's capacity for unforced brain farts just because they haven't happened with the same frequency this season as in prior seasons. He's improved then. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2021 11:00:34 GMT
Ot a howler, a punt that cost us very little. Turns out he is no better than what we have and good to free up wages and hopefully sign a better replacement. Flexible use of resources seems exactly what we have to do. Our strategy is loans and only paying fees for young players with potential. Seems a very sensible approach given our finances and past history. With 11 more players out of contract by the summer and the Covid write offs, we are playing a blunder in restructuring the club. This season is a bonus in terms of league position, a big push next season is clearly the plan. Who’s he not better than? He’s not better than Souttar. He’s not better than Batth as a defender and about on a par distribution wise. He’s not better than Wilmot. Both about the same. Very meh to be honest but we own Wilmot. He’s not better than Fox on the left. The only one he isn’t ‘not better than’ 😉 is Chester and that’s hardly a complement. But MON likes Chester for some reason so it’s best for all concerned he goes back to Brighton. I can’t say I’m over fussed as long as we bring a decent replacement in. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 11:02:21 GMT
Is he better 4han Batth? As an out and out centre half I'd say that's very debatable. He should have played more games for us than he has, and especially since Souttars injury, but not in place of Batth, who has been our best centre half in my opinion. Yes. Everyone seems to have forgotten Batth's capacity for unforced brain farts just because they haven't happened with the same frequency this season as in prior seasons. Batth when played this season, has performed better than Ostigard did when he played. I've never particularly rated Batth, but he's been pretty solid since being back in the side, and our defensive record has been good with him at the heart of it. Ostigard should have got more game time in my opinion, and Wilmot would have been the one to miss out if it were just a football based decision, but I think it's pretty clear that whatever the reasons for MON leaving Ostigard out for, they probably aren't footballing reasons. The fact that MON is perfectly happy to let him go back tells us this and who knows, he might even have other irons in the fire for the January window, but some folk on here (not you), would rather let rip on the club and the manager about it than waiting to know the full facts (that's if we ever will), about why an on loan defender hasn't worked out at our club. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:06:40 GMT
Who’s he not better than? He’s not better than Souttar. He’s not better than Batth as a defender and about on a par distribution wise. He’s not better than Wilmot. Both about the same. Very meh to be honest but we own Wilmot. He’s not better than Fox on the left. The only one he isn’t ‘not better than’ 😉 is Chester and that’s hardly a complement. But MON likes Chester for some reason so it’s best for all concerned he goes back to Brighton. I can’t say I’m over fussed as long as we bring a decent replacement in. He’s better than Batth and on a par with Wilmot. We don’t know that re Fox but given Fox is an awful CB then I wouldn’t count on it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:07:40 GMT
Yes. Everyone seems to have forgotten Batth's capacity for unforced brain farts just because they haven't happened with the same frequency this season as in prior seasons. Batth when played this season, has performed better than Ostigard did when he played. I've never particularly rated Batth, but he's been pretty solid since being back in the side, and our defensive record has been good with him at the heart of it. Ostigard should have got more game time in my opinion, and Wilmot would have been the one to miss out if it were just a football based decision, but I think it's pretty clear that whatever the reasons for MON leaving Ostigard out for, they probably aren't footballing reasons. The fact that MON is perfectly happy to let him go back tells us this and who knows, he might even have other irons in the fire for the January window, but some folk on here (not you), would rather let rip on the club and the manager about it than waiting to know the full facts (that's if we ever will), about why an on loan defender hasn't worked out at our club. Yes another awful transfer. Let’s make another one.  |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2021 11:12:10 GMT
He’s not better than Souttar. He’s not better than Batth as a defender and about on a par distribution wise. He’s not better than Wilmot. Both about the same. Very meh to be honest but we own Wilmot. He’s not better than Fox on the left. The only one he isn’t ‘not better than’ 😉 is Chester and that’s hardly a complement. But MON likes Chester for some reason so it’s best for all concerned he goes back to Brighton. I can’t say I’m over fussed as long as we bring a decent replacement in. He’s better than Batth and on a par with Wilmot. We don’t know that re Fox but given Fox is an awful CB then I wouldn’t count on it. In your opinion of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 11:21:55 GMT
One thing that has troubled me about this loan from early on is an interview the manager did not long after he joined, when he started talking about the new signings. When talking about Ostigard he mentioned that the staff were pleased with him thus far (thus far being at the time...) but they were working on changing parts of his game to suit the way we played or were trying to play - which I admit made me whince a bit at the time.
The idea being at any level you bring in players that suit the way you play else YOU change the way you play to suit what you have in the building AND is trying to change the game of a loan player wise when you only have him for a season?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:21:57 GMT
He’s better than Batth and on a par with Wilmot. We don’t know that re Fox but given Fox is an awful CB then I wouldn’t count on it. In your opinion of course. No shit. |
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