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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 29, 2021 17:30:53 GMT
I thought Ostigard did a decent job - I think Wilmott is better on the ball but Ostigard is a better old school defender. I suspect O'Neill prefers a Wilmott type player in his back three and can't promise Ostigard a regular starting place and if there is a possibility of an opening for him at Brighton, given their injury issues, maybe it was Ostigard who triggered this? We definitely need to bring someone in in January - maybe someone a bit more suited to playing out from the back.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 17:34:14 GMT
I'm not surprised, he seemed to disappear from the squad all of a sudden. Easy option here is to blame a fall out. It may well be as he strikes me as the kind who will speak out.
Time will tell on that one though. It may well be that we have to shift Ostigard to bring in Souttar.
Who knows, let's see how it pans out.
Either way though, the evidence towards our ongoing poor recruitment is building sadly. It needs to improve to tip the balance towards more hits than misses.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 17:38:53 GMT
Another player MON has signed and then he doesn't fancy.. We need to be more astute with these signings it's pisspoor again. The same with Sima.. Osti will go to Boro and sure up their defence for a promotion push. Never let the facts get in the way of the chance to bash the manager of your club.
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Post by J-Roar on Dec 29, 2021 17:40:32 GMT
Worst thing is it's a good song gone.
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Post by themistocles on Dec 29, 2021 17:43:06 GMT
Another player MON has signed and then he doesn't fancy.. We need to be more astute with these signings it's pisspoor again. The same with Sima.. Osti will go to Boro and sure up their defence for a promotion push. Never let the facts get in the way of the chance to bash the manager of your club. What facts ? The facts that I see is that MON made two loan signings in the summer. 1 he now doesn't fancy and the other hasn't played for 5 months.. With the predicament we're in loans need to be astute.
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Post by george2again on Dec 29, 2021 17:43:07 GMT
Tweeted a while back, that sending him back ( prob on loan to Coventry), getting rid of Duhany ( whatever his name is) and bringing Edwards back to the fold makes sense. Two out and one back who we already own. Edwards could be cover for Wilmot and Tommy Smith and push them if he gets his head down. Wriggle room for another face.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 29, 2021 17:46:45 GMT
Another player MON has signed and then he doesn't fancy.. We need to be more astute with these signings it's pisspoor again. The same with Sima.. Osti will go to Boro and sure up their defence for a promotion push. MON didn't sign him - he brought him on loan. Loans are always a bit of punt - and given there's no long term commitment it's hardly the end of the world if they don't come off. Ostigard isn't a massive improvement over what we've got so him going back isn't a season defining issue - providing we bring in adequate cover or trade up. The Sima situation is completely different - his loan didn't work out because of injury. How exactly is that a failing on O'Neill's part?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2021 17:52:00 GMT
I wouldn't be averse to upgrading Wilmott on the right (perhaps an eye on next season) but the left-hand side is clearly the more pressing issue. I agree, Trousers. But we have lumped £2m on Wilmot and given him a long-term deal as a supposed long-term building block - and it looks like the right of a 3 is the only place MON trusts him. And there is at least something to work with there. MON was clear all along, right from when he signed, that the only place Osti could play was on the right-hand side And Wilmot was looking good there initially. It appeared to dawn on MON very soon after Ostigard's arrival prompted the reshuffle that Wilmot, who we'd just lumped the £2m on about 3 weeks earlier, was only serviceable in that one position too and he wasn't really at home on the left. So it was only then that Chester started to work his way into his thoughts from nowhere, with Fox injured. Fox is okay, but that's all. The whole Ostigard thing seemed a bit muddled with Wilmot already here, despite him initially appearing to be a bit of a coup. Wilmott is good. I'd have him in the middle with Leo on right and Muniesa on the left.
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Post by themistocles on Dec 29, 2021 17:55:51 GMT
Another player MON has signed and then he doesn't fancy.. We need to be more astute with these signings it's pisspoor again. The same with Sima.. Osti will go to Boro and sure up their defence for a promotion push. MON didn't sign him - he brought him on loan. Loans are always a bit of punt - and given there's no long term commitment it's hardly the end of the world if they don't come off. Ostigard isn't a massive improvement over what we've got so him going back isn't a season defining issue - providing we bring in adequate cover or trade up. The Sima situation is completely different - his loan didn't work out because of injury. How exactly is that a failing on O'Neill's part? MON didn't sign him ? When your limited to the amount of loans signings you can make then it does matter. Loan signings make a huge difference in the majority of promotion sides. Where was the background checks with Sima ? Who did his medical ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2021 17:59:32 GMT
MON didn't sign him - he brought him on loan. Loans are always a bit of punt - and given there's no long term commitment it's hardly the end of the world if they don't come off. Ostigard isn't a massive improvement over what we've got so him going back isn't a season defining issue - providing we bring in adequate cover or trade up. The Sima situation is completely different - his loan didn't work out because of injury. How exactly is that a failing on O'Neill's part? MON didn't sign him ? When your limited to the amount of loans signings you can make then it does matter. Loan signings make a huge difference in the majority of promotion sides. Where was the background checks with Sima ? Who did his medical ? Was Sima injured when he arrived? I thought he got injured after we’d signed him? Ostigard going back is weird, he’s one of our three best centre backs.
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2021 18:02:25 GMT
MON didn't sign him - he brought him on loan. Loans are always a bit of punt - and given there's no long term commitment it's hardly the end of the world if they don't come off. Ostigard isn't a massive improvement over what we've got so him going back isn't a season defining issue - providing we bring in adequate cover or trade up. The Sima situation is completely different - his loan didn't work out because of injury. How exactly is that a failing on O'Neill's part? MON didn't sign him ? When your limited to the amount of loans signings you can make then it does matter. Loan signings make a huge difference in the majority of promotion sides. Where was the background checks with Sima ? Who did his medical ? Sima's injury was an impact injury which occurred in a match after he signed. Please explain what difference his medical would have made to that? Players get injured, if you have a series of groin strains or hamstring pulls that's down to poor pre season and training We haven't had those When you have a series of impact injuries that's bad luck full stop.
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2021 18:05:15 GMT
MON didn't sign him ? When your limited to the amount of loans signings you can make then it does matter. Loan signings make a huge difference in the majority of promotion sides. Where was the background checks with Sima ? Who did his medical ? Was Sima injured when he arrived? I thought he got injured after we’d signed him? Ostigard going back is weird, he’s one of our three best centre backs. Brighton are desperate for defenders due to their own injuries It's not weird it makes complete sense from Brighton's point if view and it's their view that counts as he's their player. If we recall Forrester or Taylor (& perhaps we should or at least one of them) is that bad management by Bristol Rovers or Mansfield?
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 29, 2021 18:05:20 GMT
Can we recall Forrester or Taylor? Both are injured apparently.Although it is an option according to O'Neil.
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Post by Gods on Dec 29, 2021 18:13:11 GMT
Was Sima injured when he arrived? I thought he got injured after we’d signed him? Ostigard going back is weird, he’s one of our three best centre backs. Brighton are desperate for defenders due to their own injuries It's not weird it makes complete sense from Brighton's point if view and it's their view that counts as he's their player. If we recall Forrester or Taylor (& perhaps we should or at least one of them) is that bad management by Bristol Rovers or Mansfield? Except this says Ostigard is expected to go out on loan to another club in January Ostigard
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2021 18:16:15 GMT
Was Sima injured when he arrived? I thought he got injured after we’d signed him? Ostigard going back is weird, he’s one of our three best centre backs. Brighton are desperate for defenders due to their own injuries It's not weird it makes complete sense from Brighton's point if view and it's their view that counts as he's their player. If we recall Forrester or Taylor (& perhaps we should or at least one of them) is that bad management by Bristol Rovers or Mansfield? I didn’t say anything about bad management? I didn’t realise he’d been recalled, apologies.
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Post by themistocles on Dec 29, 2021 18:20:17 GMT
MON didn't sign him ? When your limited to the amount of loans signings you can make then it does matter. Loan signings make a huge difference in the majority of promotion sides. Where was the background checks with Sima ? Who did his medical ? Sima's injury was an impact injury which occurred in a match after he signed. Please explain what difference his medical would have made to that? Players get injured, if you have a series of groin strains or hamstring pulls that's down to poor pre season and training We haven't had those When you have a series of impact injuries that's bad luck full stop. Sima has had ongoing issues throughout his rehab.. A thorough medical would assess his susceptibility and anatomic integrity. You don't miss 5 months with an ankle strain without underlining issues.
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2021 18:20:48 GMT
Brighton are desperate for defenders due to their own injuries It's not weird it makes complete sense from Brighton's point if view and it's their view that counts as he's their player. If we recall Forrester or Taylor (& perhaps we should or at least one of them) is that bad management by Bristol Rovers or Mansfield? I didn’t say anything about bad management? I didn’t realise he’d been recalled, apologies. Apologies you didn't It's not weird though
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2021 18:22:44 GMT
Brighton are desperate for defenders due to their own injuries It's not weird it makes complete sense from Brighton's point if view and it's their view that counts as he's their player. If we recall Forrester or Taylor (& perhaps we should or at least one of them) is that bad management by Bristol Rovers or Mansfield? Except this says Ostigard is expected to go out on loan to another club in January OstigardThen that is weird, especially from Brighton's viewpoint If we do sign John Souttar we are still going to be one short
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Post by Turkish Delight on Dec 29, 2021 18:41:31 GMT
Real shame that. Fallout behind the scenes with MON? And you know this because......
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 29, 2021 19:24:41 GMT
Real shame that. Fallout behind the scenes with MON? And you know this because...... He doesn't, as he indicates with the cunning use of our friend 'the question mark'.
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 29, 2021 19:29:21 GMT
Sadly Question Mark's best days were when he was with The Mysterians.
Edit: I know, I know - apologies.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 29, 2021 19:30:25 GMT
To be fair, the comment was only suggesting there may of been a fallout, which might explain why he was returning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 20:20:04 GMT
I agree, Trousers. But we have lumped £2m on Wilmot and given him a long-term deal as a supposed long-term building block - and it looks like the right of a 3 is the only place MON trusts him. And there is at least something to work with there. MON was clear all along, right from when he signed, that the only place Osti could play was on the right-hand side And Wilmot was looking good there initially. It appeared to dawn on MON very soon after Ostigard's arrival prompted the reshuffle that Wilmot, who we'd just lumped the £2m on about 3 weeks earlier, was only serviceable in that one position too and he wasn't really at home on the left. So it was only then that Chester started to work his way into his thoughts from nowhere, with Fox injured. Fox is okay, but that's all. The whole Ostigard thing seemed a bit muddled with Wilmot already here, despite him initially appearing to be a bit of a coup. Wilmott is good. I'd have him in the middle with Leo on right and Muniesa on the left. Ok Dave, what's the craic here then? Muni is liking posts on Twitter saying 'see you soon' and you've now mentioned him - and anyone on this board for longer than a year will know you get the odd snippet.
Is Muni on his way back?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 29, 2021 20:21:49 GMT
Another player MON has signed and then he doesn't fancy.. We need to be more astute with these signings it's pisspoor again. The same with Sima.. Osti will go to Boro and sure up their defence for a promotion push. Never let the facts get in the way of the chance to bash the manager of your club. What facts? He’s used Chester in the squad over him. He signed him and he’s binning him off early. The facts are there. It’s another bad signing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 20:34:16 GMT
Has to be a fallout behind the scenes. I’d be frustrated at being dropped for Chester to be honest, but MON does give chances when they are due. Have to imagine he wasn’t prepared to wait for his next chance to prove himself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 29, 2021 21:02:54 GMT
Has to be a fallout behind the scenes. I’d be frustrated at being dropped for Chester to be honest, but MON does give chances when they are due. Have to imagine he wasn’t prepared to wait for his next chance to prove himself. Chester was awful though and kept getting picked and then was on the bench. He had every right to fume with that. But I don’t think it’s happened. Brighton and Ostigard clearly want him playing games and he’s not getting that here for some bizarre reason.
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Post by JimmyisGod on Dec 29, 2021 21:21:10 GMT
Why do we always blame the club for everything? It’s probably just Brighton want him back because of Covid and need always the players they can get
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Post by Numismatist on Dec 29, 2021 21:23:36 GMT
Liked Osti and his connection with the fans. Will be a good player again elsewhere in the Championship, which is a shame.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 29, 2021 21:23:37 GMT
Why do we always blame the club for everything? It’s probably just Brighton want him back because of Covid and need always the players they can get The most plugged-in Brighton local reporter says he's being sent back out on loan to another club. Can't really argue - even MON says Ostigard wants to leave too as he's not playing. He's just wasting a year of his career - he obviously envisaged being a key player here given we supposedly beat 9 other teams to the loan in the summer
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 29, 2021 21:51:59 GMT
Wilmott is good. I'd have him in the middle with Leo on right and Muniesa on the left. Ok Dave, what's the craic here then? Muni is liking posts on Twitter saying 'see you soon' and you've now mentioned him - and anyone on this board for longer than a year will know you get the odd snippet. Is Muni on his way back?
I've no idea mate. Put it for the very reason you mention. He'd be perfect for how we want to play wouldn't he? No way is he returning as anything other than a supporter though sadly.
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