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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 11:24:29 GMT
Batth when played this season, has performed better than Ostigard did when he played. I've never particularly rated Batth, but he's been pretty solid since being back in the side, and our defensive record has been good with him at the heart of it. Ostigard should have got more game time in my opinion, and Wilmot would have been the one to miss out if it were just a football based decision, but I think it's pretty clear that whatever the reasons for MON leaving Ostigard out for, they probably aren't footballing reasons. The fact that MON is perfectly happy to let him go back tells us this and who knows, he might even have other irons in the fire for the January window, but some folk on here (not you), would rather let rip on the club and the manager about it than waiting to know the full facts (that's if we ever will), about why an on loan defender hasn't worked out at our club. Yes another awful transfer. Let’s make another one.  I thought you and others were pissed off that he's going back? If that's the case then he wasn't an awful transfer was he? If he was an awful transfer, then we'd all be glad he's going wouldn't we? Seems to me that it's just an excuse for many to have another pop at the manager/club instead of seeing it for what it is. A loan for a half decent player hasn't worked out. Whoopy fucking Doo! We move on and go again, and win our 2 games in hand and it'll be Ostiwho? |
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 30, 2021 11:25:34 GMT
I thought he was ropey, and didn't warrant game time. His distribution was shocking, positioning wise could be wrong footed too easily and weak in the air. Personally think this is a case of he who doesn't play, has their skills grossly overstated.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:26:24 GMT
Yes another awful transfer. Let’s make another one. I thought you and others were pissed off that he's going back? If that's the case then he wasn't an awful transfer was he? If he was an awful transfer, then we'd all be glad he's going wouldn't we? Seems to me that it's just an excuse for many to have another pop at the manager/club instead of seeing it for what it is. A loan for a half decent player hasn't worked out. Whoopy fucking Doo! We move on and go again, and win our 2 games in hand and it'll be Ostiwho? It doesn’t matter what I think. We’re happy to send him back early=awful transfer. It is another poor transfer and another loan that hasn’t had the impact any of us would desire really. We haven’t had a good loan player since we got relegated. It’s piss poor. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:27:04 GMT
I thought he was ropey, and didn't warrant game time. His distribution was shocking, positioning wise could be wrong footed too easily and weak in the air. Personally think this is a case of he who doesn't play, has their skills grossly overstated. No one is overstating anything with him though. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2021 11:30:42 GMT
Yes. Everyone seems to have forgotten Batth's capacity for unforced brain farts just because they haven't happened with the same frequency this season as in prior seasons. He's improved then. Marginally. He still worries me with the ball at his feet and I still think we need better than him. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:31:21 GMT
Marginally. He still worries me with the ball at his feet and I still think we need better than him. I’d like to see Wilmot there tbh. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2021 11:32:05 GMT
Yes. Everyone seems to have forgotten Batth's capacity for unforced brain farts just because they haven't happened with the same frequency this season as in prior seasons. Batth when played this season, has performed better than Ostigard did when he played. I've never particularly rated Batth, but he's been pretty solid since being back in the side, and our defensive record has been good with him at the heart of it. Ostigard should have got more game time in my opinion, and Wilmot would have been the one to miss out if it were just a football based decision, but I think it's pretty clear that whatever the reasons for MON leaving Ostigard out for, they probably aren't footballing reasons. The fact that MON is perfectly happy to let him go back tells us this and who knows, he might even have other irons in the fire for the January window, but some folk on here (not you), would rather let rip on the club and the manager about it than waiting to know the full facts (that's if we ever will), about why an on loan defender hasn't worked out at our club. I don’t think it is pretty clear, we have no basis for thinking that beyond pure speculation as things stand. I don’t think Batth has been better than him. On par at best. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 30, 2021 11:37:39 GMT
Batth when played this season, has performed better than Ostigard did when he played. I've never particularly rated Batth, but he's been pretty solid since being back in the side, and our defensive record has been good with him at the heart of it. Ostigard should have got more game time in my opinion, and Wilmot would have been the one to miss out if it were just a football based decision, but I think it's pretty clear that whatever the reasons for MON leaving Ostigard out for, they probably aren't footballing reasons. The fact that MON is perfectly happy to let him go back tells us this and who knows, he might even have other irons in the fire for the January window, but some folk on here (not you), would rather let rip on the club and the manager about it than waiting to know the full facts (that's if we ever will), about why an on loan defender hasn't worked out at our club. I don’t think it is pretty clear, we have no basis for thinking that beyond pure speculation as things stand. I don’t think Batth has been better than him. On par at best. Since Batth returned to the team his performances have been generally good to very good despite the issues with the ball at his feet.Ostigard started well in his first few games but in my opinion deteriorated badly after that and was culpable along with Wilmot and Souttar for some poor goals conceded. At this stage of his career give me Batth( despite his quality on the ball) everyday of the week over Ostigard,that’s not saying either that he may well go on to be a top defender in the future. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 30, 2021 11:38:45 GMT
Yes another awful transfer. Let’s make another one. I thought you and others were pissed off that he's going back? If that's the case then he wasn't an awful transfer was he? If he was an awful transfer, then we'd all be glad he's going wouldn't we? Seems to me that it's just an excuse for many to have another pop at the manager/club instead of seeing it for what it is. A loan for a half decent player hasn't worked out. Whoopy fucking Doo! We move on and go again, and win our 2 games in hand and it'll be Ostiwho? I’m pretty sure it’s to give us more wriggle room in the transfer market over the next few weeks with the injuries we have in the squad. No more no less……. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2021 11:39:49 GMT
I don’t think it is pretty clear, we have no basis for thinking that beyond pure speculation as things stand. I don’t think Batth has been better than him. On par at best. Since Batth returned to the team his performances have been generally good to very good despite the issues with the ball at his feet.Ostigard started well in his first few games but in my opinion deteriorated badly after that and was culpable along with Wilmot and Souttar for some poor goals conceded. At this stage of his career give me Batth( despite his quality on the ball) everyday of the week over Ostigard,that’s not saying either that he may well go on to be a top defender in the future. I don’t think a back three with Batth and Chester in it finishes in the top 8. Hopefully we can get someone in. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 30, 2021 11:41:03 GMT
Since Batth returned to the team his performances have been generally good to very good despite the issues with the ball at his feet.Ostigard started well in his first few games but in my opinion deteriorated badly after that and was culpable along with Wilmot and Souttar for some poor goals conceded. At this stage of his career give me Batth( despite his quality on the ball) everyday of the week over Ostigard,that’s not saying either that he may well go on to be a top defender in the future. I don’t think a back three with Batth and Chester in it finishes in the top 8. Hopefully we can get someone in. Yes I’d have to agree with that mate and I’d expect someone else to come in surely🤔 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:41:20 GMT
I thought you and others were pissed off that he's going back? If that's the case then he wasn't an awful transfer was he? If he was an awful transfer, then we'd all be glad he's going wouldn't we? Seems to me that it's just an excuse for many to have another pop at the manager/club instead of seeing it for what it is. A loan for a half decent player hasn't worked out. Whoopy fucking Doo! We move on and go again, and win our 2 games in hand and it'll be Ostiwho? I’m pretty sure it’s to give us more wriggle room in the transfer market over the next few weeks with the injuries we have in the squad. No more no less……. Room we could have had by not giving Chester a contract. More useless transfer business. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 30, 2021 11:43:25 GMT
Since Batth returned to the team his performances have been generally good to very good despite the issues with the ball at his feet.Ostigard started well in his first few games but in my opinion deteriorated badly after that and was culpable along with Wilmot and Souttar for some poor goals conceded. At this stage of his career give me Batth( despite his quality on the ball) everyday of the week over Ostigard,that’s not saying either that he may well go on to be a top defender in the future. I don’t think a back three with Batth and Chester in it finishes in the top 8. Hopefully we can get someone in. I would imagine Chester is there as cover and his presence in the dressing room |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 11:46:01 GMT
I don’t think a back three with Batth and Chester in it finishes in the top 8. Hopefully we can get someone in. I would imagine Chester is there as cover and his presence in the dressing room Why would we want him as cover? He’s useless and has been since he signed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 11:52:23 GMT
He's done okay, filled a gap and allowed us to send our own young defenders out on loan.
Don't know what all the drama is about.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 30, 2021 11:59:37 GMT
He's done okay, filled a gap and allowed us to send our own young defenders out on loan. Don't know what all the drama is about. The drama is the race to surpass 125,000 posts by New Years Eve 👍😁
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 12:01:31 GMT
He's done okay, filled a gap and allowed us to send our own young defenders out on loan. Don't know what all the drama is about. The drama is the race to surpass 125,000 posts by New Years Eve 👍😁
How many times? I can’t see the number of posts I make. I’m on the phone app and you can’t see the number 😂you however seem a tad obsessed with it. Which is very odd. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 12:22:15 GMT
Since Batth returned to the team his performances have been generally good to very good despite the issues with the ball at his feet.Ostigard started well in his first few games but in my opinion deteriorated badly after that and was culpable along with Wilmot and Souttar for some poor goals conceded. At this stage of his career give me Batth( despite his quality on the ball) everyday of the week over Ostigard,that’s not saying either that he may well go on to be a top defender in the future. I don’t think a back three with Batth and Chester in it finishes in the top 8. Hopefully we can get someone in. I don’t think it’s that bad defensively for a 1 game a week scenario, but after that Chester tires and makes mistakes (in my opinion). He also offers us nothing going forward. Surely it will stay as Wilmot-Batth-Fox with Edwards, Chester and (presumably) another trying to break into that? Fox will need time to adjust to a more central role, but he does offer a good, deep cross. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 12:26:29 GMT
I would imagine Chester is there as cover and his presence in the dressing room Why would we want him as cover? He’s useless and has been since he signed. He’s hardly without use. A place in the squad isn’t just what you bring to the match day team during a 3 game a week period. Further, I can’t imagine that there’s a long line of players who are going to want to come to sit on the bench/not even make the squad most weeks. We still need 6 central defenders in a match day squad though, and I’d rather the younger players get the minutes they need on loan than be used sporadically for us. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2021 12:26:52 GMT
I don’t think a back three with Batth and Chester in it finishes in the top 8. Hopefully we can get someone in. I don’t think it’s that bad defensively for a 1 game a week scenario, but after that Chester tires and makes mistakes (in my opinion). He also offers us nothing going forward. Surely it will stay as Wilmot-Batth-Fox with Edwards, Chester and (presumably) another trying to break into that? Fox will need time to adjust to a more central role, but he does offer a good, deep cross. I'm not a big fan of Fox either, to be honest, ideally he'd be cover too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 12:31:55 GMT
I don’t think it’s that bad defensively for a 1 game a week scenario, but after that Chester tires and makes mistakes (in my opinion). He also offers us nothing going forward. Surely it will stay as Wilmot-Batth-Fox with Edwards, Chester and (presumably) another trying to break into that? Fox will need time to adjust to a more central role, but he does offer a good, deep cross. I'm not a big fan of Fox either, to be honest, ideally he'd be cover too. Fair enough. We’d have to find a left footed centre back to make that worth it though. Brorsson and Souttar the Elder are both righties, aren’t they? Can’t see either of those taking his spot. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 30, 2021 12:34:33 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Fox either, to be honest, ideally he'd be cover too. Fair enough. We’d have to find a left footed centre back to make that worth it though. Brorsson and Souttar the Elder are both righties, aren’t they? Can’t see either of those taking his spot. Brorsson gone to Cyprus I think |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 12:42:46 GMT
Why would we want him as cover? He’s useless and has been since he signed. He’s hardly without use. A place in the squad isn’t just what you bring to the match day team during a 3 game a week period. Further, I can’t imagine that there’s a long line of players who are going to want to come to sit on the bench/not even make the squad most weeks. We still need 6 central defenders in a match day squad though, and I’d rather the younger players get the minutes they need on loan than be used sporadically for us. You need to be of use on the pitch. If you’re not then you’re pointless. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 13:02:12 GMT
Fair enough. We’d have to find a left footed centre back to make that worth it though. Brorsson and Souttar the Elder are both righties, aren’t they? Can’t see either of those taking his spot. Brorsson gone to Cyprus I think Sounds like a bullet dodged! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 13:03:23 GMT
He’s hardly without use. A place in the squad isn’t just what you bring to the match day team during a 3 game a week period. Further, I can’t imagine that there’s a long line of players who are going to want to come to sit on the bench/not even make the squad most weeks. We still need 6 central defenders in a match day squad though, and I’d rather the younger players get the minutes they need on loan than be used sporadically for us. You need to be of use on the pitch. If you’re not then you’re pointless. I’d say he was. He’s never ripped to shreds in a game unless he playing each game in a 3 week match and looks knackered before the match even starts. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 30, 2021 13:04:39 GMT
You need to be of use on the pitch. If you’re not then you’re pointless. I’d say he was. He’s never ripped to shreds in a game unless he playing each game in a 3 week match and looks knackered before the match even starts. He’s been woeful for us on the whole. He should never have been given a new contract. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 13:08:50 GMT
I’d say he was. He’s never ripped to shreds in a game unless he playing each game in a 3 week match and looks knackered before the match even starts. He’s been woeful for us on the whole. He should never have been given a new contract. Will just have to agree to disagree then. |
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Post by musik on Dec 30, 2021 13:09:52 GMT
Fair enough. We’d have to find a left footed centre back to make that worth it though. Brorsson and Souttar the Elder are both righties, aren’t they? Can’t see either of those taking his spot. Brorsson gone to Cyprus I think Yes, to Aris Limassol. So obviously he's retiring in an absolute shit league. Four seasons part of the Swedish Champions team. And one game on National Level (vs The Ivory Coast). |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 30, 2021 13:22:03 GMT
If he's going back because we are getting in a left sided CB then fair enough because Fox isn't the answer.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 30, 2021 13:23:47 GMT
In your opinion of course. No shit. Why do you feel the need to be so aggressive when someone questions your omniscience? |
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