|
Post by Mystic Stokie on Mar 22, 2023 10:59:22 GMT
|
|
|
Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 11:18:33 GMT
I will Absolute bollocks Every Ukrainian death should be laid at the door of putin And every lickspittle that supports him And as for China they need stopping before it’s to late A vile authoritarian regime guilty of genocide
|
|
|
Post by Mystic Stokie on Mar 22, 2023 12:12:38 GMT
Waga
Did you watch the videos. I'm not understanding your response
|
|
|
Post by Mystic Stokie on Mar 22, 2023 12:12:48 GMT
Waga
Did you watch the videos. I'm not understanding your response
|
|
|
Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 12:44:11 GMT
Waga Did you watch the videos. I'm not understanding your response Oh I’ve watched the videos as I said total bollocks When the half whit presenter starts with accidental war comment There was no accident putin is a genocidal war mongering arsehole As for Macgregor I prefer my alleged military experts not to have a obvious political agenda What about my comments about putin and his supporters and the Chinese government do you disagree with
|
|
|
Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2023 14:44:50 GMT
Sweet Jesus, and Modi of India is no better, troubling times ahead...
Tuesday’s proceedings between Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin have wrapped up.
The two leaders shook hands and smiled as Xi departed the Kremlin, video from the Kremlin pool showed. Putin walked Xi to his vehicle and waved goodbye as the car drove away.
“There’s a change coming that hasn’t happened in 100 years. When we are together, we are driving this change,” Xi said as the two parted, according to the Kremlin RIA Novosti pool.
“I agree,” Putin said.
“Take care, dear friend,” Xi replied.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2023 15:19:06 GMT
And in the real world Russia is deploying tanks from the 50s that are completely obsolete.
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 15:19:38 GMT
Russia has removed T-54/55 tanks from storage and they're on the move. First fielded in 1948. These are probably the 1950s+ versions though.
The tank experts are saying these are literally WW2 tech but more armour/bigger guns. Apparently a huge step back from T-62, which is already considered crap Vs the tanks Russia started with.
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 15:36:11 GMT
March 17th, 2022: Douglas MacGregor Declares Russian Victory in Ukraine. Other stuff from a year ago: "The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over," "If [Ukraine] don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them." "The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over... I think the most heroic thing he could do right now is come to terms with reality. Neutralize Ukraine." How accurate do you think he's been?
|
|
|
Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 15:40:41 GMT
March 17th, 2022: Douglas MacGregor Declares Russian Victory in Ukraine. Other stuff from a year ago: "The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over," "If [Ukraine] don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them." "The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over... I think the most heroic thing he could do right now is come to terms with reality. Neutralize Ukraine." How accurate do you think he's been? The bloke is obviously a clown as is anyone who actually believes his bullshit is any where near fact
|
|
|
Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 22, 2023 16:36:12 GMT
Personally, I'd like to see the Russians bring back the musket.
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 17:37:59 GMT
Been reading up on Russian tanks. Videos show more and more "upgraded" T-72 and T-80 tanks with 1970s-era thermal imaging tech instead of modern kit. The T-54/55 Russia just pulled out has yet another different gun too. Russia started off with T-72/80/90 that were all 125 mm smoothbore. Then they added T-62 (115 mm) and now T-54/55 (100 mm). Also the T-54/55 gun is rifled rather than smoothbore so I think it needs different 100 mm ammo from the Rapira anti tank gun. What a shitshow! EDIT: France is training Ukrainians on Mirage-2000 jet. One more good step? Not clear how many could be spare but on paper maybe 200 eventually. EDIT2: Ukrainian source calls bullshit on Le Figaro, says training not happening. FFS.
|
|
|
Post by Mystic Stokie on Mar 22, 2023 18:25:19 GMT
March 17th, 2022: Douglas MacGregor Declares Russian Victory in Ukraine. Other stuff from a year ago: "The battle in eastern Ukraine is really almost over," "If [Ukraine] don't surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them." "The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over... I think the most heroic thing he could do right now is come to terms with reality. Neutralize Ukraine." How accurate do you think he's been? The bloke is obviously a clown as is anyone who actually believes his bullshit is any where near fact Well, if the losses the Ukraines have apparently suffered is right, Zelensky I would say does not have much of an army left.
|
|
|
Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2023 18:31:42 GMT
I will Absolute bollocks Every Ukrainian death should be laid at the door of putin And every lickspittle that supports him And as for China they need stopping before it’s to late A vile authoritarian regime guilty of genocide Don't rule out China being a mediator or even potential deal breaker down the line. Whatever we think of the conflict the days of the USA being at the head of the table geopolitically could be changing, other continents will be looking at this opportunity for a new world order......
|
|
|
Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 18:36:56 GMT
The bloke is obviously a clown as is anyone who actually believes his bullshit is any where near fact Well, if the losses the Ukraines have apparently suffered is right, Zelensky I would say does not have much of an army left. I would suggest he’s got enough left to see of putin Time will tell
|
|
|
Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 18:39:38 GMT
I will Absolute bollocks Every Ukrainian death should be laid at the door of putin And every lickspittle that supports him And as for China they need stopping before it’s to late A vile authoritarian regime guilty of genocide Don't rule out China being a mediator or even potential deal breaker down the line. Whatever we think of the conflict the days of the USA being at the head of the table geopolitically could be changing, other continents will be looking at this opportunity for a new world order...... China may well have a say in the final peace But it still doesn’t alter the fact the Chinese government is a bunch authoritarian genocidal wankers
|
|
|
Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2023 18:41:42 GMT
Don't rule out China being a mediator or even potential deal breaker down the line. Whatever we think of the conflict the days of the USA being at the head of the table geopolitically could be changing, other continents will be looking at this opportunity for a new world order...... China may well have a say in the final peace But it still doesn’t alter the fact the Chinese government is a bunch authoritarian genocidal wankers Yep. Almost 8 years to the day since George Osborne was out their with his begging bowl desperate for them to pick us as a strategic partner. How time flies.........
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 18:43:14 GMT
The bloke is obviously a clown as is anyone who actually believes his bullshit is any where near fact Well, if the losses the Ukraines have apparently suffered is right, Zelensky I would say does not have much of an army left. 100k+ Ukrainian casualties sounds realistic to me TBF. So does 200k+ Russian. But I think it's also pretty obvious that the Ukrainian army is getting relatively stronger compared with the Russian one. Any idea how many soldiers Ukraine called up? And what do you think the ratio of wounded to killed is for each side?
|
|
|
Post by Mystic Stokie on Mar 22, 2023 18:59:08 GMT
Well, if the losses the Ukraines have apparently suffered is right, Zelensky I would say does not have much of an army left. I would suggest he’s got enough left to see of putin Time will tell Macgregor on one of the videos gave the ratio of Ukraine to Russian deaths.if the ratio is remotely true then it is tragic. I read a few weeks back that Putin has got enough weaponry to last another 2 years.
|
|
|
Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2023 19:11:45 GMT
I would suggest he’s got enough left to see of putin Time will tell Macgregor on one of the videos gave the ratio of Ukraine to Russian deaths.if the ratio is remotely true then it is tragic. I read a few weeks back that Putin has got enough weaponry to last another 2 years. It is fairly obvious to many that MacGregor is either a fool or is carrying a political agenda Though it may turn out to be one both or neither As I’ve said time will tell I’m fairly confident that the Ukrainians will be in a much better position in august than they are now In a free world you of course totally are entitled to think otherwise
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 19:23:53 GMT
I would suggest he’s got enough left to see of putin Time will tell Macgregor on one of the videos gave the ratio of Ukraine to Russian deaths.if the ratio is remotely true then it is tragic. I read a few weeks back that Putin has got enough weaponry to last another 2 years. I'm certain he's bullshitting and he's just using the Russian government numbers, which are lies. Dunno for sure but I follow both Ukrainian and Russian channels and the public NATO intel reports are believable to me. There are just so many more videos showing piles of Russian corpses. There's an group online that tracks all the footage of vehicle losses. In 2023 they've added 316 Russian tanks versus 49 Ukrainian tanks, Ukraine is winning the tank kills 6-1 or 7-1.
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 19:35:31 GMT
There's some old info from the "Donetsk People's Republic" on casualties. This is the Russian front group that conquered part of Ukraine's Donetsk region in 2014. They said in November 2022 that they had 3,746 military KIA and 15,794 WIA for ~19.5k casualties in 8 months. These are official numbers from their own "government" ( source). That pro-Trump/pro-Putin MacGregor guy says that all Russian forces only lost ~10k soldiers until now? Does that seem real?
|
|
|
Post by Mystic Stokie on Mar 22, 2023 20:07:49 GMT
Macgregor on one of the videos gave the ratio of Ukraine to Russian deaths.if the ratio is remotely true then it is tragic. I read a few weeks back that Putin has got enough weaponry to last another 2 years. It is fairly obvious to many that MacGregor is either a fool or is carrying a political agenda Though it may turn out to be one both or neither As I’ve said time will tell I’m fairly confident that the Ukrainians will be in a much better position in august than they are now In a free world you of course totally are entitled to think otherwise Time will tell is my position too.
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 20:51:07 GMT
It is fairly obvious to many that MacGregor is either a fool or is carrying a political agenda Though it may turn out to be one both or neither As I’ve said time will tell I’m fairly confident that the Ukrainians will be in a much better position in august than they are now In a free world you of course totally are entitled to think otherwise Time will tell is my position too. Same. We don't know if it's close to 1:1 or more like 4:1 in Ukraine's favour atm, and that's the difference between Russia Vs Ukraine making ground this year. But things like 10:1 in Russia's favour are just insane IMO. Either way I don't think it makes much difference to what we should do. If we want fewer dead Ukrainians then send everything we can asap to end this horrible war as quickly as possible. Time will tell how many have to die between now and then...
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 21:23:17 GMT
Russian news changed its tune.
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2023 22:06:44 GMT
Another Wagner cemetery found. Only 67 graves in this one rather than the hundreds in the last one. Obviously won't have those whose bodies are rotting round bakhmut, or who were sent back to families.
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2023 2:52:04 GMT
He knows it would look bad to endorse Putin, it's about the strongest low-risk signal he could give. Making it clear he's opposed to genocide, that he supports democracy, and that he'd continue the extremely cost-effective support to defend a free country should be the minimum bar IMO. I was following betting markets for the US presidency. It's back to Biden in front right now but Trump/DeSantis combined are priced as more likely. It looks like DeSantis is moving to place himself as another pro-Putiner like Trump. DeSantis was ahead overall for a while. You post some fantastic, insightful stuff on this thread MrStudent but I have to disagree with you re DeSantis comments. They were far from an endorsement. I see them as comments that are aimed towards not pouring more fuel on the fire so to speak. We had similar media frenzy around Giorgia Meloni and her almost identical comments. Yet in practice, she's proven to be hugely supportive of Zelensky's war effort. I think DeSantis could have been a bit more sensitive with his wording but I don't think there is any danger (despite what the CNN's and BBC's will have you believe) that DeSantis will take a pro-Putin stance. We'll have to wait and see on that one mate, just saw he's done another interview that'll be out in which he apparently supports Ukraine. I don't know too much about DeSantis except one of my mates loves him but the first bits I saw were worrying. A big test will be US spending bills this year. If the House puts decent money up for Ukraine then we're well on the path to a Ukrainian victory IMO.
|
|
|
Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 23, 2023 8:19:46 GMT
The only certain casualty of war is truth.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2023 17:12:29 GMT
A possible interesting development if true!
|
|
|
Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2023 17:21:54 GMT
I could believe Russia pulling back from Nova Kakhovka but I doubt Ukraine would do anything serious there. Maybe a photo op?
You'd expect they could use cross the dam but Russian artillery batteries could be hidden within ~10 miles and shoot you to shit if if you send an army over.
After Ukraine took Kupyansk in the north and had to cross the Oskil river they couldn't quite push Russians back far enough. The Russians know where the main bridge is so it was hard to keep supplies flowing and I've seen Ukrainian soldiers say that was very important in stopping their counteroffensive.
EDIT: and Russia leaving could just be a troop rotation. Or getting out of artillery/drone range.
|
|