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Post by starkiller on Feb 8, 2023 15:52:39 GMT
You are being played again.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 8, 2023 16:22:25 GMT
Them videos which allegedly show Ukraine using chemical weapons against the Russian's aren't very nice viewing. Skeptical since I haven't seen those yet, not even on Russian telegram channels. We've seen incendiary Grad rockets and iirc people having bad reactions after a chemical plant was set on fire, but I've heard claims of chemical weapons every few weeks with no evidence. I'd be shocked if Ukraine's leaders ordered a chemical attack. Plays right into Russia's hands. Russia will use them unless it's scared enough of NATO threats.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 8, 2023 16:24:18 GMT
You are being played again. Have you been reading those tweets saying the Ukraine war is made up and there aren't any videos out of it?
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 8, 2023 16:25:01 GMT
Video from 6th Feb attack on Vulhedar. Guy who said Russia lost up to 30 vehicles says there's more coming.
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Post by questionable on Feb 8, 2023 16:51:54 GMT
Video from 6th Feb attack on Vulhedar. Guy who said Russia lost up to 30 vehicles says there's more coming. There was a snippet on Twitter a few weeks ago stating there’d been a new delivery of Javelins, no doubt Ukraine knew pretty much where and when Russia would be attacking and what with so it’s not a shock we’re seeing new pictures of Russian armour getting obliterated everywhere, just need to curve their infantry now.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 8, 2023 18:07:13 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 8, 2023 18:12:20 GMT
Mental. This is the same journalist who claimed Assad wasn't using chemical weapons while we've seen him constantly gas the shit out of innocents so maybe need some confirmation on this. In the Syria case he was pushing Russian claims. The same Russia that has been caught lying about attacks all the time. EDIT: Not saying he's wrong. Just that he's kinda suspicious for pushing pro-Russia stuff in the past so I'd want extra evidence.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 8, 2023 18:41:05 GMT
Video from 6th Feb attack on Vulhedar. Guy who said Russia lost up to 30 vehicles says there's more coming. There was a snippet on Twitter a few weeks ago stating there’d been a new delivery of Javelins, no doubt Ukraine knew pretty much where and when Russia would be attacking and what with so it’s not a shock we’re seeing new pictures of Russian armour getting obliterated everywhere, just need to curve their infantry now. New video out here. Looks a different group because the wrecked vehicles don't have that treeline running along one side. Also the explosions shown are mines or maybe artillery. I'd guess they're saving javelins etc for breakthroughs or areas where it's soldiers and the Ukrainians haven't had as much time to set up proper defences. Up towards Kreminna perhaps?
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 8, 2023 18:47:23 GMT
This guy has been pretty careful and thinks that Ukraine will begin evacuating Bakhmut within days. Maybe in time for Putin to announce on his war anniversary speech.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 8, 2023 20:14:36 GMT
I mean that looked like the most obvious conclusion didn’t it
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Post by Gods on Feb 8, 2023 22:44:04 GMT
On a side note I must say there are some smoking hot Ukrainian MP's. Lesia on Newsnight now is a fine example. Meantime we get Anne Widdecombe and Theresa May
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 8, 2023 22:48:30 GMT
Was all a little bit cringe watching all the crusties in Westminster acting like fan girls watching their favorite pop artist, gagging for selfies and words of adulation. Zelensky is an exceptional Salesman. As well as leading his country with decision and bravery, he's very good on his feet and gets what he wants. I guess some of that comes from his previous life in capturing an audience.
There will be war crimes committed by Ukraine, lots and lots of propaganda and as with any war, many dark, uncomfortable secrets - Some of which the West will be well aware of. But all in all there is no alternative that we can accept other than a Ukraine victory. Putin needs to die. Getting that outcome with minimal disruption to the rest of the world will prove quite the skill.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2023 8:20:12 GMT
Kinda funny 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2023 8:21:57 GMT
Mental. This is the same journalist who claimed Assad wasn't using chemical weapons while we've seen him constantly gas the shit out of innocents so maybe need some confirmation on this. In the Syria case he was pushing Russian claims. The same Russia that has been caught lying about attacks all the time. EDIT: Not saying he's wrong. Just that he's kinda suspicious for pushing pro-Russia stuff in the past so I'd want extra evidence. The amount of right wing loons parroting this as fact is hilarious.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 9, 2023 9:51:08 GMT
I just call a spade a spade and with the evidence in front of me and I fear for Ukraine in the coming months.
Talks of tanks and combat aircraft are great but yesterdays pomp and ceremony just felt like a massive PR stunt. The Ukranians need urgent intervention not promises of jam tomorrow.
Meanwhile Russia are arming up for another push (yes I know that some of the equipment in question may be second hand, seen better days etc) with 1,800 tanks, 2,700 artillery system, 810 Grad and Smerch rocket launch systems, 400 fighter jets and 300 helicopters (Pentagon estimates not mine) and in Ukraine 14/15 year old kids are being dragged from their homes and put into a situation very few of us can comprehend.
Really worrying times........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2023 12:18:30 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2023 15:32:47 GMT
Was all a little bit cringe watching all the crusties in Westminster acting like fan girls watching their favorite pop artist, gagging for selfies and words of adulation. Zelensky is an exceptional Salesman. As well as leading his country with decision and bravery, he's very good on his feet and gets what he wants. I guess some of that comes from his previous life in capturing an audience. There will be war crimes committed by Ukraine, lots and lots of propaganda and as with any war, many dark, uncomfortable secrets - Some of which the West will be well aware of. But all in all there is no alternative that we can accept other than a Ukraine victory. Putin needs to die. Getting that outcome with minimal disruption to the rest of the world will prove quite the skill. They said of Churchill that he "mobilised the English language and sent it into battle". His "salesmanship" helped get us 50 destroyers in a trade and later lend-lease. I'm convinced that sadly war involves politics and I think Churchill did brilliantly in WW2. And that we deserved the support even though British soldiers committed war crimes during WW2.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2023 15:46:54 GMT
I just call a spade a spade and with the evidence in front of me and I fear for Ukraine in the coming months. Talks of tanks and combat aircraft are great but yesterdays pomp and ceremony just felt like a massive PR stunt. The Ukranians need urgent intervention not promises of jam tomorrow. Meanwhile Russia are arming up for another push (yes I know that some of the equipment in question may be second hand, seen better days etc) with 1,800 tanks, 2,700 artillery system, 810 Grad and Smerch rocket launch systems, 400 fighter jets and 300 helicopters (Pentagon estimates not mine) and in Ukraine 14/15 year old kids are being dragged from their homes and put into a situation very few of us can comprehend. Really worrying times........ I'm scared for Ukraine but also think Russia is trying to cause despair because once western factories are up, Russia can only win if its allies like Trump take power. Ukraine already took out 1800 tanks. 400 jets would be slaughtered if they tried anything too deep & effective. The artillery scares me, but Russia's advantage is now far smaller than June/July 2022. Fwiw I think it's going to be brutal and Ukraine is going to lose land. But there's a high chance they'll be able to do a counteroffensive after. Also what's this about 14/15 year olds?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 9, 2023 15:52:19 GMT
I just call a spade a spade and with the evidence in front of me and I fear for Ukraine in the coming months. Talks of tanks and combat aircraft are great but yesterdays pomp and ceremony just felt like a massive PR stunt. The Ukranians need urgent intervention not promises of jam tomorrow. Meanwhile Russia are arming up for another push (yes I know that some of the equipment in question may be second hand, seen better days etc) with 1,800 tanks, 2,700 artillery system, 810 Grad and Smerch rocket launch systems, 400 fighter jets and 300 helicopters (Pentagon estimates not mine) and in Ukraine 14/15 year old kids are being dragged from their homes and put into a situation very few of us can comprehend. Really worrying times........ I'm scared for Ukraine but also think Russia is trying to cause despair because once western factories are up, Russia can only win if its allies like Trump take power. Ukraine already took out 1800 tanks. 400 jets would be slaughtered if they tried anything too deep & effective. The artillery scares me, but Russia's advantage is now far smaller than June/July 2022. Fwiw I think it's going to be brutal and Ukraine is going to lose land. But there's a high chance they'll be able to do a counteroffensive after. Also what's this about 14/15 year olds? Sorry small typo didn't read my post back it should have said 15/16 year olds.......
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2023 16:26:49 GMT
Speaking of artillery I've seen quite a lot of these videos recently - maybe a dozen?
Ukraine is hunting down Russian mobile guns and AA with (claimed) Excalibur rounds. One shot out of nowhere.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2023 16:27:35 GMT
I'm scared for Ukraine but also think Russia is trying to cause despair because once western factories are up, Russia can only win if its allies like Trump take power. Ukraine already took out 1800 tanks. 400 jets would be slaughtered if they tried anything too deep & effective. The artillery scares me, but Russia's advantage is now far smaller than June/July 2022. Fwiw I think it's going to be brutal and Ukraine is going to lose land. But there's a high chance they'll be able to do a counteroffensive after. Also what's this about 14/15 year olds? Sorry small typo didn't read my post back it should have said 15/16 year olds....... What's happening to them? I know they've been pushed to evacuate from the front lines but in what I saw the families get to choose whether they'd stay or not.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2023 16:30:56 GMT
Estimated 31 Russian vehicles wrecked outside Vulhedar. Which Ukraine still holds.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 9, 2023 16:56:04 GMT
The amount of right wing loons parroting this as fact is hilarious. I think it's fair enough not to trust the official story from the yanks. They've lied about plenty of things. But this still doesn't make sense to me. And I also saw the same journalist came up with a story saying the Russian government wasn't to blame for the Skripal poisonings. Even though it was two Russian government agents. I think the journalist is either pro-Russian or a useful idiot so can't be trusted.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2023 17:06:23 GMT
The amount of right wing loons parroting this as fact is hilarious. I think it's fair enough not to trust the official story from the yanks. They've lied about plenty of things. But this still doesn't make sense to me. And I also saw the same journalist came up with a story saying the Russian government wasn't to blame for the Skripal poisonings. Even though it was two Russian government agents. I think the journalist is either pro-Russian or a useful idiot so can't be trusted. Of course but they’re saying it like it’s fact.
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Post by Davef on Feb 9, 2023 20:20:12 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 9, 2023 21:13:16 GMT
Whether it was the USA or not on this occasion I’m staggered anyone wouldn’t think them capable, you only have to look back over the past 50 years for a list of shenanigans..……
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 10, 2023 0:03:35 GMT
Could have been the US but Biden was talking about Nord Stream 2. Which was stopped and not used since the invasion... So "stop Nord Stream 2" was already done.
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Post by werrington on Feb 10, 2023 4:59:21 GMT
I mean seriously like wtf ….The replies put him right through of which it’s Interesting in regards Ukraine and chemical weapons
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2023 12:48:25 GMT
I mean seriously like wtf ….The replies put him right through of which it’s Interesting in regards Ukraine and chemical weapons What chemical weapons? I’ve heard nothing about bar on here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2023 12:50:19 GMT
Is this it? 😂
Just looks like a small mortar round being dropped in water and the water then going everywhere as it explodes.
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