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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 12:55:36 GMT
In terms of use of nuclear or escalation I think everyone is focusing far to much on their use on Ukraine. The escalation could occur anywhere. It doesn't have to be nuclear. Threatening to sabotage undersea cables for example is a weekly routine for the RN. It’s the old conundrum isn’t it? Putin uses one though, he gets blown away. If the electricity or Internet mysteriously is damaged subsequently. What will the west do?
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 12:57:42 GMT
The first decent sized attack on these illegally annexed areas by Ukraine will be telling. Will it? They’ve attacked Russia. They’ve attacked Crimea. What’s the difference? Because he has widened his retaliatory options today using a doctrine that the military has been signed up to for years. Additonally, the aggressor doesn't have to be considered Ukraine.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2022 12:58:52 GMT
This is different for me to the rhetoric we've heard from him in the past, he's just been going on about the outright Satanism of the West.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2022 13:03:13 GMT
He's just finished, no doubt his speech is going to be poured over over the next few hours ...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 30, 2022 13:05:55 GMT
Ramblings of a madman.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 30, 2022 13:15:58 GMT
All well and good him using that rhetoric. But their economy is in the toilet and they are running out of allies.
The youth of Russia don’t want any of what he’s selling either.
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 30, 2022 13:29:57 GMT
The reasoning behind it is a farce. Would he be content with the west leading a special military operation into Russia (seeing as people are fleeing it) and to then annex part of their land as part of Finland.
I cant see any scenario where this doesnt end very badly now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2022 13:32:17 GMT
Will it? They’ve attacked Russia. They’ve attacked Crimea. What’s the difference? Because he has widened his retaliatory options today using a doctrine that the military has been signed up to for years. Additonally, the aggressor doesn't have to be considered Ukraine. They’ve threatened London with nukes at least 3 times already. It’s bullshit.
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Post by lordb on Sept 30, 2022 13:36:11 GMT
He appears to have blamed the UK for the Nord gas explosions
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 30, 2022 13:37:24 GMT
This is the big concern for me. A mad man with nuclear weapons. All it takes is him and a few people at the top to not give a fuck about the consequences and it's game over. Obviously Russia would be completely flattened but cold comfort if a load of western cities are smoking ruins.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 30, 2022 13:37:30 GMT
Will be very interesting to see whether China recognise the annexed regions?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 30, 2022 13:38:10 GMT
This is the big concern for me. A mad man with nuclear weapons. All it takes is him and a few people at the top to not give a fuck about the consequences and it's game over. Obviously Russia would be completely flattened but cold comfort if a load of western cities are smoking ruins. Yep, scary stuff. He's an utterly disgusting individual.
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Post by lordb on Sept 30, 2022 13:38:18 GMT
Will be very interesting to see whether China recognise the annexed regions? Have they recognised Crimea as part of Russia?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 30, 2022 13:45:06 GMT
Will be very interesting to see whether China recognise the annexed regions? Have they recognised Crimea as part of Russia? Good question. I don't think so.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 13:50:06 GMT
He appears to have blamed the UK for the Nord gas explosions The UK is his best target. We are an active adversary not passive like most nation states. We are an island slightly remote from mainland Europe. The biggest donor other than the US to Ukraine. He has previous of state terror in the UK without military resistance. It's a proper message to the US about escalation. Be in no doubt the UK is in his top 5 target list for reprisals. I happen to think he is more likely to go for a Nordic or Baltic state to split Nato, but we are up there.
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 30, 2022 13:51:02 GMT
Have they recognised Crimea as part of Russia? Good question. I don't think so. On the fence, I think. Haven't recognised it, but haven't condemned it.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 13:51:52 GMT
Because he has widened his retaliatory options today using a doctrine that the military has been signed up to for years. Additonally, the aggressor doesn't have to be considered Ukraine. They’ve threatened London with nukes at least 3 times already. It’s bullshit. We're not playing Risk at a cheese and wine party with the neighbours despite your rhetoric. The UK MoD are taking this seriously as an escalation even if you aren't.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 30, 2022 13:54:20 GMT
He appears to have blamed the UK for the Nord gas explosions The UK is his best target. We are an active adversary not passive like most nation states. We are an island slightly remote from mainland Europe. The biggest donor other than the US to Ukraine. He has previous of state terror in the UK without military resistance. It's a proper message to the US about escalation. Be in no doubt the UK is in his top 5 target list for reprisals. I happen to think he is more likely to go for a Nordic or Baltic state to split Nato, but we are up there. I genuinely don’t think he’d attack a NATO country. They wouldn’t have a chance in an all out conflict.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2022 13:55:19 GMT
They’ve threatened London with nukes at least 3 times already. It’s bullshit. We're not playing Risk at a cheese and wine party with the neighbours despite your rhetoric. The UK MoD are taking this seriously as an escalation even if you aren't. I bet they’re laughing their tits off privately. It’s all laughable.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 13:55:51 GMT
We're not playing Risk at a cheese and wine party with the neighbours despite your rhetoric. The UK MoD are taking this seriously as an escalation even if you aren't. I bet they’re laughing their tits off privately. It’s all laughable. Wrong
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Post by raythesailor on Sept 30, 2022 14:02:13 GMT
He appears to have blamed the UK for the Nord gas explosions The UK is his best target. We are an active adversary not passive like most nation states. We are an island slightly remote from mainland Europe. The biggest donor other than the US to Ukraine. He has previous of state terror in the UK without military resistance. It's a proper message to the US about escalation. Be in no doubt the UK is in his top 5 target list for reprisals. I happen to think he is more likely to go for a Nordic or Baltic state to split Nato, but we are up there. As well as the above reasons we have a new inexperienced PM who at the moment appears to be totally out of her depth.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 14:02:49 GMT
The UK is his best target. We are an active adversary not passive like most nation states. We are an island slightly remote from mainland Europe. The biggest donor other than the US to Ukraine. He has previous of state terror in the UK without military resistance. It's a proper message to the US about escalation. Be in no doubt the UK is in his top 5 target list for reprisals. I happen to think he is more likely to go for a Nordic or Baltic state to split Nato, but we are up there. I genuinely don’t think he’d attack a NATO country. They wouldn’t have a chance in an all out conflict. Don't imagine a traditional ballistic attack. There are lots of ways to initiate a state on state escalation.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 30, 2022 14:13:38 GMT
I genuinely don’t think he’d attack a NATO country. They wouldn’t have a chance in an all out conflict. Don't imagine a traditional ballistic attack. There are lots of ways to initiate a state on state escalation. What’s he going to do Cut our gas off
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 30, 2022 14:36:30 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 30, 2022 14:41:19 GMT
Now that’s when it could escalate. If we accept Ukraine to NATO, we’d have to get involved instantaneously.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 14:48:31 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2022 14:55:05 GMT
Ukraine showing what they think.
Hot air and shite from Putin.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 30, 2022 14:55:55 GMT
I bet they’re laughing their tits off privately. It’s all laughable. Wrong Right. 😂 It’s just hot air.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 30, 2022 15:03:42 GMT
Right. 😂 It’s just hot air. I'm not going to argue the toss with you, just take it as a given.
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Post by raythesailor on Sept 30, 2022 15:10:27 GMT
Right. 😂 It’s just hot air. I hope so as the alternative is seriously scary.
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