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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 4, 2022 10:19:23 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2022 10:37:06 GMT
There is only one person to blame for putting Ukrainian civilians at potential harm and that’s putin Amnesty international can fuck right off
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 4, 2022 10:39:43 GMT
Not helped by clowns like Nancy Pelosi, Biden and Von Der Liar running the west. Its a tragic state of affairs all round. Biden has been excellent for Ukraine. Trump set the ground work for this. Don't disagree with your Trump comment, but Biden's hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan was a massive signal to Russia that the US had no stomach for a foreign engagement, and was a huge invitation to Russia to continue its expansion after Georgia and the Crimea. The US has now swung the other way to support Ukraine to repel their invader and send signals to China to forget any moves similar to Russia, or else.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2022 10:49:38 GMT
Biden has been excellent for Ukraine. Trump set the ground work for this. Don't disagree with your Trump comment, but Biden's hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan was a massive signal to Russia that the US had no stomach for a foreign engagement, and was a huge invitation to Russia to continue its expansion after Georgia and the Crimea. The US has now swung the other way to support Ukraine to repel their invader and send signals to China to forget any moves similar to Russia, or else. Wasn't the Afghanistan stuff just done on the timeline Trump set though? I totally agree that he should have tried to change that but it was another inherited problem wasn't it?
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Post by questionable on Aug 4, 2022 12:13:49 GMT
There is only one person to blame for putting Ukrainian civilians at potential harm and that’s putin Amnesty international can fuck right off Too right, recall a train station being hit then pictures of Russian tanks hidden in gardens, they’d soon negotiate if missiles rightly landed in Russia.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 4, 2022 13:33:42 GMT
Ukraine is seeking an opportunity to speak “directly” with Chinese leader Xi Jinping to help end its war with Russia, according to reports this morning. Be interesting to see China's response if this is the case with everything they have going on at the moment....... It's worth looking at that story a little more closely - basically Zelensky has been looking for an opportunity to speak to Xi Jinping since the war started but got nowhere. So the "reports this morning" barely merits the description of being news. Other than the reports are taken from an interview in the SCMP, which might be newsworthy!
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Post by foster on Aug 4, 2022 13:58:58 GMT
There is only one person to blame for putting Ukrainian civilians at potential harm and that’s putin Amnesty international can fuck right off There's a war going on, the civilians should move away from the front lines if they're not going to fight. The Ukrainian military can rightly put their bases wherever they feel is best for them and the country. What are they expected to do. Put up tents in the middle of a field or something.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 4, 2022 15:36:33 GMT
There is only one person to blame for putting Ukrainian civilians at potential harm and that’s putin Amnesty international can fuck right off There's a war going on, the civilians should move away from the front lines if they're not going to fight. The Ukrainian military can rightly put their bases wherever they feel is best for them and the country. What are they expected to do. Put up tents in the middle of a field or something. There need to be safe places for remaining civilians IMO, like the theatre full of children the Russians blew up in Mariupol. But that doesn't mean defenders have to go out to get slaughtered. But the Russian military just doesn't give a shit and uses the murder of civilians as a psychological weapon so the Ukrainian army is in a very sticky place. It's Russia's fault though obviously.
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Post by foster on Aug 4, 2022 15:45:06 GMT
There's a war going on, the civilians should move away from the front lines if they're not going to fight. The Ukrainian military can rightly put their bases wherever they feel is best for them and the country. What are they expected to do. Put up tents in the middle of a field or something. There need to be safe places for remaining civilians IMO, like the theatre full of children the Russians blew up in Mariupol. But that doesn't mean defenders have to go out to get slaughtered. But the Russian military just doesn't give a shit and uses the murder of civilians as a psychological weapon so the Ukrainian army is in a very sticky place. It's Russia's fault though obviously. I agree. The civilians can either stay and potentially get bombed, or leave and potentially get bombed while out of the road. Likewise the Ukrainian military could also be targeted while trying to evacuate civilians. That's clearly not past the Russians. Not sure how Amnesty International somehow pins some of the civilian casualties toll on the Ukrainian military. It's shameful and extremely disrespectful to everyone in Ukraine.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 4, 2022 15:45:49 GMT
The defence of Bohorodychne - Daily Kos. The story of how a little village half the size of Church Lawton held for two months. Just 25 miles from the Russian rail supply point and videos show losses of 28-2 armoured vehicles in Ukraine's favour. It sounds like Russia might have retreated there and also been pushed out of Dovenkhe, the village they spent more than a month trying to take before Bohorodychne. Russia desperately wants us to think their victory is inevitable, but they're getting fucked.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 4, 2022 15:56:46 GMT
In there own country let's not forget.
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Post by questionable on Aug 4, 2022 17:49:22 GMT
VLADIMIR Putin has lost his first female colonel in Ukraine. The Russian leader granted posthumous Hero of Russia honour – the Kremlin’s highest award – to Olga “Kursa” Kachura, 52, who was killed in a rocket attack on her car.
Another shit stain removed from the world, long may it continue 👍
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 4, 2022 20:09:51 GMT
Russia expects to run at losses of around $20 billion a month from October. Source: Russia's own official news agency. If Europe makes it through the winter then Russia will have to choose between slowing down the war and digging its economy even deeper into the shit. Sanctions are killing Russia's ability to win long-term.
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Post by noustie on Aug 4, 2022 22:37:56 GMT
Russia expects to run at losses of around $20 billion a month from October. Source: Russia's own official news agency. If Europe makes it through the winter then Russia will have to choose between slowing down the war and digging its economy even deeper into the shit. Sanctions are killing Russia's ability to win long-term. It says a budget deficit of 2% - wouldn't say that's killing them really especially as we're about to enter stagflation and they've a plan to fund it. If they were so skint would they be trolling Germany on Nord II asking for proof accepting the generator off Siemens to increase gas output wouldn't break sanctions? Decent pokerface if bluffing! www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/3/germanys-scholz-blames-russia-in-energy-row-says-tribune-works
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Post by noustie on Aug 4, 2022 22:55:05 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 4, 2022 23:59:25 GMT
Russia expects to run at losses of around $20 billion a month from October. Source: Russia's own official news agency. If Europe makes it through the winter then Russia will have to choose between slowing down the war and digging its economy even deeper into the shit. Sanctions are killing Russia's ability to win long-term. What do you mean, if Europe makes it through the winter,. ??
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 5, 2022 0:23:34 GMT
Russia expects to run at losses of around $20 billion a month from October. Source: Russia's own official news agency. If Europe makes it through the winter then Russia will have to choose between slowing down the war and digging its economy even deeper into the shit. Sanctions are killing Russia's ability to win long-term. It says a budget deficit of 2% - wouldn't say that's killing them really especially as we're about to enter stagflation and they've a plan to fund it. If they were so skint would they be trolling Germany on Nord II asking for proof accepting the generator off Siemens to increase gas output wouldn't break sanctions? Decent pokerface if bluffing! www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/3/germanys-scholz-blames-russia-in-energy-row-says-tribune-worksThey say they're up $14bn atm, but expect to lose ~$75bn in next 4 months. If I'm doing maths anywhere near right they're saying ~$60bn lost this year, averaging $5bn/month or 2% of GDP. But by the end of the year it'll be something like $20bn/month and losses getting bigger as the sanction effects ramp up.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 5, 2022 0:24:55 GMT
Russia expects to run at losses of around $20 billion a month from October. Source: Russia's own official news agency. If Europe makes it through the winter then Russia will have to choose between slowing down the war and digging its economy even deeper into the shit. Sanctions are killing Russia's ability to win long-term. What do you mean, if Europe makes it through the winter,. ?? If Europe keeps united and follows through all the sanctions and Ukraine support.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 5:48:56 GMT
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Post by noustie on Aug 5, 2022 9:05:54 GMT
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Post by noustie on Aug 5, 2022 9:47:25 GMT
Sadly I've read a good chunk of the paper they're referring to and it's worth noting it was published in May so a number of the references are potentially slightly dated - JP Morgan had access to the paper and still upgraded their predictions in June and July. It all feels a bit like Waiting For Godot wondering when the sanctions finally manifest into something tangible. Don't really get how europe paying through the nose this winter leads to a collapse of the Russian economy early next year - presumably we just keep sending the Ukrainians tank guns and tampons until summer 2023 in the interim at least.
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Post by questionable on Aug 5, 2022 9:56:32 GMT
We’ll never know the true facts of their economy and in truth I don’t really care, foreign investors have and will continue to pour out of Russia, apparently it makes up 40% of their GDPR and that’s something that will takes decades/if ever to get over.
Other than fossil fuels I can’t think of a single thing that they export that benefits the ordinary folks in mass.
Short term Russia thinks it’ll ride out the storm but they really won’t, basically they’re screwed.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 12:07:37 GMT
Sadly I've read a good chunk of the paper they're referring to and it's worth noting it was published in May so a number of the references are potentially slightly dated - JP Morgan had access to the paper and still upgraded their predictions in June and July. It all feels a bit like Waiting For Godot wondering when the sanctions finally manifest into something tangible. Don't really get how europe paying through the nose this winter leads to a collapse of the Russian economy early next year - presumably we just keep sending the Ukrainians tank guns and tampons until summer 2023 in the interim at least. Russia is fucked regardless of what happens in the Ukraine. They will never again have a friendly trading relationship with Europe, the US and other “Western” countries. None of these governments will allow themselves to be dependent on Russia for anything. Further, and possibly more importantly, they will not have access to Western technology which will cripple their economy and military capability.
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Post by drfootball on Aug 5, 2022 12:34:52 GMT
Sadly I've read a good chunk of the paper they're referring to and it's worth noting it was published in May so a number of the references are potentially slightly dated - JP Morgan had access to the paper and still upgraded their predictions in June and July. It all feels a bit like Waiting For Godot wondering when the sanctions finally manifest into something tangible. Don't really get how europe paying through the nose this winter leads to a collapse of the Russian economy early next year - presumably we just keep sending the Ukrainians tank guns and tampons until summer 2023 in the interim at least. Russia is fucked regardless of what happens in the Ukraine. They will never again have a friendly trading relationship with Europe, the US and other “Western” countries. None of these governments will allow themselves to be dependent on Russia for anything. Further, and possibly more importantly, they will not have access to Western technology which will cripple their economy and military capability. You would like to think so but politics and business are run without conscience, morals or memory and as soon as the shooting stops Russian gas will flood back into Europe and the west will be kissing oligarchs aries.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 12:38:43 GMT
Russia is fucked regardless of what happens in the Ukraine. They will never again have a friendly trading relationship with Europe, the US and other “Western” countries. None of these governments will allow themselves to be dependent on Russia for anything. Further, and possibly more importantly, they will not have access to Western technology which will cripple their economy and military capability. You would like to think so but politics and business are run without conscience, morals or memory and as soon as the shooting stops Russian gas will flood back into Europe and the west will be kissing oligarchs aries. It’s possible. But I think it is extremely unlikely.
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Post by drfootball on Aug 5, 2022 12:42:37 GMT
You would like to think so but politics and business are run without conscience, morals or memory and as soon as the shooting stops Russian gas will flood back into Europe and the west will be kissing oligarchs aries. It’s possible. But I think it is extremely unlikely. It would be great if you're right but I think that many,particularly Germany and France will cosy up to Putin (if he survives) or even worse, Lavrov as soon as it's over. Really hope I'm wrong.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 13:00:37 GMT
It’s possible. But I think it is extremely unlikely. It would be great if you're right but I think that many,particularly Germany and France will cosy up to Putin (if he survives) or even worse, Lavrov as soon as it's over. Really hope I'm wrong. You know that expression “Crossing the Rubicon”. That’s what Putin did when he invaded Ukraine. And compounded since by his various actions. Western governments have know for years that he is evil, but they indulged him. Even, to a large degree after he annexed Crimea. But by unleashing a full scale war on the continent of Europe he went too far. Everything has now changed. No European government will touch him (well, other than Hungary). But the most significant ones economically won’t. I guess, if Putin goes there might be some relaxation, but Europe will never again allow itself to become dependent on Russia.
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Post by drfootball on Aug 5, 2022 13:18:15 GMT
It would be great if you're right but I think that many,particularly Germany and France will cosy up to Putin (if he survives) or even worse, Lavrov as soon as it's over. Really hope I'm wrong. You know that expression “Crossing the Rubicon”. That’s what Putin did when he invaded Ukraine. And compounded since by his various actions. Western governments have know for years that he is evil, but they indulged him. Even, to a large degree after he annexed Crimea. But by unleashing a full scale war on the continent of Europe he went too far. Everything has now changed. No European government will touch him (well, other than Hungary). But the most significant ones economically won’t. I guess, if Putin goes there might be some relaxation, but Europe will never again allow itself to become dependent on Russia. Really hope you're right.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2022 14:48:15 GMT
And for any of you who have any doubt that sanctions are making significant impacts on Russia today, this article, Sanctions are working – whatever Putin says, is worth a read. It reviews a recent Yale study and finds that Putin is full of shit. Not that you need a Yale study to tell you that, however this spells it out in detail.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 5, 2022 16:34:55 GMT
It would be great if you're right but I think that many,particularly Germany and France will cosy up to Putin (if he survives) or even worse, Lavrov as soon as it's over. Really hope I'm wrong. You know that expression “Crossing the Rubicon”. That’s what Putin did when he invaded Ukraine. And compounded since by his various actions. I think the big difference is that Caesar crossed the Rubicon with an elite legion while Putin's pound shop version involved dropping a bunch of posers with no support into artillery range.
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