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Post by questionable on Aug 5, 2022 18:27:43 GMT
You know that expression “Crossing the Rubicon”. That’s what Putin did when he invaded Ukraine. And compounded since by his various actions. I think the big difference is that Caesar crossed the Rubicon with an elite legion while Putin's pound shop version involved dropping a bunch of posers with no support into artillery range. Still take great pleasure in that on the first day of the invasion, sorry special whatever he calls it his elite paratroopers got wiped out.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 6, 2022 14:57:29 GMT
Every day Russia is losing modern kit.
The Ukrainians have lured a lot of Russians west of the Dnipro, where Ukraine can supply far better than the enemy. Wonder if they're trying the snake Island strategy. Putin and his generals want to look strong so they keep sending expensive kit to get blown up.
Ukraine could probably whack trains and supply trucks around Kherson for months, maybe even wait for winter to do a number on the Russians.
But for that to work, western voters have to keep pro-democracy and pro-freedom parties in power. Putin probably feels like November is still looking good for this though.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 6, 2022 15:14:53 GMT
Sounds like it's kicking off a bit between Azerbaijan-Armenia again.
Video claims Russian peacekeepers told azeris to stop and the azeris just ignored them.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2022 16:08:27 GMT
Sounds like it's kicking off a bit between Azerbaijan-Armenia again. Video claims Russian peacekeepers told azeris to stop and the azeris just ignored them. In the OED, Russian peacemakers is given as an example of an oxymoron.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 7, 2022 18:25:55 GMT
Sounds like it's kicking off a bit between Azerbaijan-Armenia again. Video claims Russian peacekeepers told azeris to stop and the azeris just ignored them. And in Gaza. Israel are killing Palestinian children indiscriminately, but of course the Western world will trot out platitudes about a two state solution whilst doing absolutely nothing…….
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 7, 2022 18:36:58 GMT
Sounds like it's kicking off a bit between Azerbaijan-Armenia again. Video claims Russian peacekeepers told azeris to stop and the azeris just ignored them. And in Gaza. Israel killing Palestinian children indiscriminately, but of course the Western world will trot out platitudes about a two state solution whilst doing absolutely nothing……. Absolute disgrace But it doesn’t matter as in the eyes of many there the right sort of victims
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 7, 2022 21:48:05 GMT
Sounds like it's kicking off a bit between Azerbaijan-Armenia again. Video claims Russian peacekeepers told azeris to stop and the azeris just ignored them. And in Gaza. Israel are killing Palestinian children indiscriminately, but of course the Western world will trot out platitudes about a two state solution whilst doing absolutely nothing……. Same in Yemen, women and kids being indiscriminately killed but hardly a peep out of Western media
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2022 22:02:06 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 8, 2022 1:31:30 GMT
And in Gaza. Israel killing Palestinian children indiscriminately, but of course the Western world will trot out platitudes about a two state solution whilst doing absolutely nothing……. Absolute disgrace But it doesn’t matter as in the eyes of many there the right sort of victims There's a lot of gorgeous shit going on, it's too much for me tbh. I tried to understand Israel-Palestine and Armenia-Azerbaijan and they're horrible shitshows. Russia-Ukraine at least has got western attention and is really clearly good-vs-evil. At least we can celebrate sending weapons to Ukraine as actually helping to save innocent people.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 6:37:38 GMT
And in Gaza. Israel are killing Palestinian children indiscriminately, but of course the Western world will trot out platitudes about a two state solution whilst doing absolutely nothing……. Same in Yemen, women and kids being indiscriminately killed but hardly a peep out of Western media There’s an explanation for this other than prejudice. Which is normalisation. We just get used to certain shit happening, and the the shit stops registering. That has been touched on in this thread in regards to Ukraine; at some point Ukraine will stop being “news” and folks sense of outrage will diminish so we will react differently, and crucially, more passively the longer the conflict goes on. That process is already happening. We only have to look across the Irish Sea to the Teddy Bear’s head and back a few years to recognise that situation.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 8, 2022 10:18:00 GMT
And for any of you who have any doubt that sanctions are making significant impacts on Russia today, this article, Sanctions are working – whatever Putin says, is worth a read. It reviews a recent Yale study and finds that Putin is full of shit. Not that you need a Yale study to tell you that, however this spells it out in detail. Putin hopes that support for the war will wain because of the impact on life it's having outside of the war. When winter hits there will be difficult conversations about the quality of life people have, some people here might think it's no longer worth it. The calculation the West are taking is they can stomach the decrease in the cost of living in the hope the Russian people can't take the loss of life or a long drawn out war. The one thing I do think is Russia and its people are on a war footing and are more prepared for a decrease in living standards, I think eventually the western governments will need to sell that to its people.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 8, 2022 12:13:24 GMT
Same in Yemen, women and kids being indiscriminately killed but hardly a peep out of Western media There’s an explanation for this other than prejudice. Which is normalisation. We just get used to certain shit happening, and the the shit stops registering. That has been touched on in this thread in regards to Ukraine; at some point Ukraine will stop being “news” and folks sense of outrage will diminish so we will react differently, and crucially, more passively the longer the conflict goes on. That process is already happening. We only have to look across the Irish Sea to the Teddy Bear’s head and back a few years to recognise that situation. Yemen hasn’t been newsworthy since day one of the conflict in fairness. A large chunk of the population won’t even know it’s happening……
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 13:12:30 GMT
There’s an explanation for this other than prejudice. Which is normalisation. We just get used to certain shit happening, and the the shit stops registering. That has been touched on in this thread in regards to Ukraine; at some point Ukraine will stop being “news” and folks sense of outrage will diminish so we will react differently, and crucially, more passively the longer the conflict goes on. That process is already happening. We only have to look across the Irish Sea to the Teddy Bear’s head and back a few years to recognise that situation. Yemen hasn’t been newsworthy since day one of the conflict in fairness. A large chunk of the population won’t even know it’s happening…… Yes. Very true.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 8, 2022 14:45:02 GMT
And for any of you who have any doubt that sanctions are making significant impacts on Russia today, this article, Sanctions are working – whatever Putin says, is worth a read. It reviews a recent Yale study and finds that Putin is full of shit. Not that you need a Yale study to tell you that, however this spells it out in detail. Putin hopes that support for the war will wain because of the impact on life it's having outside of the war. When winter hits there will be difficult conversations about the quality of life people have, some people here might think it's no longer worth it. The calculation the West are taking is they can stomach the decrease in the cost of living in the hope the Russian people can't take the loss of life or a long drawn out war. The one thing I do think is Russia and its people are on a war footing and are more prepared for a decrease in living standards, I think eventually the western governments will need to sell that to its people. That's pretty clear thinking IMO. I think Putin is gambling *hard* on this winter. He's waiting for his US fans to get more power and a cold winter to stretch Europe. This is his big play of the fuel card. Shouldn't work next winter.
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Post by questionable on Aug 8, 2022 17:05:05 GMT
Putin hopes that support for the war will wain because of the impact on life it's having outside of the war. When winter hits there will be difficult conversations about the quality of life people have, some people here might think it's no longer worth it. The calculation the West are taking is they can stomach the decrease in the cost of living in the hope the Russian people can't take the loss of life or a long drawn out war. The one thing I do think is Russia and its people are on a war footing and are more prepared for a decrease in living standards, I think eventually the western governments will need to sell that to its people. That's pretty clear thinking IMO. I think Putin is gambling *hard* on this winter. He's waiting for his US fans to get more power and a cold winter to stretch Europe. This is his big play of the fuel card. Shouldn't work next winter. Thank God for global warming, anticipation of longer hot summers and less of the cold stuff will do me with my arthritis
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 8, 2022 19:44:20 GMT
US government confirm Ukraine now has missiles that detect radar pings and go wipe them out.
The rumours are that Ukraine held off until they had enough then launched surprise attacks, wiping out hundreds of millions of pounds worth of Russian AA. I'd be skeptical until we see the photos of wrecked vehicles, but there are convincing pics of the missiles.
Russia now has to be careful about using radars so Ukrainian planes and rockets should get to their targets more often.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 8, 2022 20:14:09 GMT
Some MSM claiming only 30% of US aid to Ukraine reaches its intended target.
Absolutely shocking if true
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 8, 2022 21:12:21 GMT
Some MSM claiming only 30% of US aid to Ukraine reaches its intended target. Absolutely shocking if true CBS shit the bed on this one, luckily it's not true! They corrected some of the mistakes and story is here. It was one Lithuanian NGO sending non-lethal aid back in April. Their source says it got better since then, and also he wasn't talking about aid overall.
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Post by Gods on Aug 8, 2022 22:17:55 GMT
Russia set to announce the annexation of the Donbass in September and hold fake elections as the region becomes a part of Russia.
There was an ex-military man on Times Radio today describing how cataclysmic this could be.
The point he made is that once the Donbass is annexed if Ukraine were to send missiles in to Donbass they will in the eyes of Russia be attacking Russia itself!
He was floating the idea that were this to happen Russia will likely respond with battlefield nuclear weapons. These won't mark the end of civilisation but they would vapourise anyone in a 2 mile radius and in turn quickly polish off any Ukrainian resistance because anyone in their path will be dead.
He said Russia will do so in the knowledge there would be zero appetite from the west to join a nuclear war with Russia so the west will turn a blind eye to this minor, as they would pretend to see it, nuclear indiscretion.
Pretty chilling stuff IMHO.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 8, 2022 23:51:00 GMT
Russia set to announce the annexation of the Donbass in September and hold fake elections as the region becomes a part of Russia. There was an ex-military man on Times Radio today describing how cataclysmic this could be. The point he made is that once the Donbass is annexed if Ukraine were to send missiles in to Donbass they will in the eyes of Russia be attacking Russia itself! He was floating the idea that were this to happen Russia will likely respond with battlefield nuclear weapons. These won't mark the end of civilisation but they would vapourise anyone in a 2 mile radius and in turn quickly polish off any Ukrainian resistance because anyone in their path will be dead. He said Russia will do so in the knowledge there would be zero appetite from the west to join a nuclear war with Russia so the west will turn a blind eye to this minor, as they would pretend to see it, nuclear indiscretion. Pretty chilling stuff IMHO.
The West certainly isn't going to regard Putin chucking nuclear weapons around on the eastern edge of Europe as 'minor'.
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Post by Gods on Aug 9, 2022 7:08:43 GMT
Russia set to announce the annexation of the Donbass in September and hold fake elections as the region becomes a part of Russia. There was an ex-military man on Times Radio today describing how cataclysmic this could be. The point he made is that once the Donbass is annexed if Ukraine were to send missiles in to Donbass they will in the eyes of Russia be attacking Russia itself! He was floating the idea that were this to happen Russia will likely respond with battlefield nuclear weapons. These won't mark the end of civilisation but they would vapourise anyone in a 2 mile radius and in turn quickly polish off any Ukrainian resistance because anyone in their path will be dead. He said Russia will do so in the knowledge there would be zero appetite from the west to join a nuclear war with Russia so the west will turn a blind eye to this minor, as they would pretend to see it, nuclear indiscretion. Pretty chilling stuff IMHO. The West certainly isn't going to regard Putin chucking nuclear weapons around on the eastern edge of Europe as 'minor'. That was the view of the former British General. That once the Donbass is annexed, elections held and is declared Russian as will happen very shortly. Then were Ukraine to shell the region to try to get it back that would in Russian eyes be no different to shelling the Kremlin. They may very well, not definitely, respond with battlefield nukes which would end the dispute on the Donbass with immediate effect. They would, he said, gamble that the west would not engage directly militarily with Russia over this. He convinced me. I don't see that given Russia holds the nuclear ace Ukraine will ever get back lost land. Not militarily anyway. That will only happen were political sentiment to change in Russia. No sign of it yet.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 9, 2022 8:12:07 GMT
The West certainly isn't going to regard Putin chucking nuclear weapons around on the eastern edge of Europe as 'minor'. That was the view of the former British General. That once the Donbass is annexed, elections held and is declared Russian as will happen very shortly. Then were Ukraine to shell the region to try to get it back that would in Russian eyes be no different to shelling the Kremlin. They may very well, not definitely, respond with battlefield nukes which would end the dispute on the Donbass with immediate effect. They would, he said, gamble that the west would not engage directly militarily with Russia over this. He convinced me. I don't see that given Russia holds the nuclear ace Ukraine will ever get back lost land. Not militarily anyway. That will only happen were political sentiment to change in Russia. No sign of it yet. It is absolutely inconceivable that the West would turn a blind eye to Russia using battlefield nukes in Ukraine. To do so, would encourage numerous other nations to acquire similar weapons and use them against their neighbours. A brilliant but extremely lengthy read ... www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapon-us-response/661315/
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 10:38:10 GMT
The West certainly isn't going to regard Putin chucking nuclear weapons around on the eastern edge of Europe as 'minor'. That was the view of the former British General. That once the Donbass is annexed, elections held and is declared Russian as will happen very shortly. Then were Ukraine to shell the region to try to get it back that would in Russian eyes be no different to shelling the Kremlin. They may very well, not definitely, respond with battlefield nukes which would end the dispute on the Donbass with immediate effect. They would, he said, gamble that the west would not engage directly militarily with Russia over this. He convinced me. I don't see that given Russia holds the nuclear ace Ukraine will ever get back lost land. Not militarily anyway. That will only happen were political sentiment to change in Russia. No sign of it yet. I can't see Russia using tactical nuclear weapons. It ups the stakes far too much, even for them. I think most people always thought the Donbass would probably end up annexed by Russia. The critical point then is for sanctions to remain in place. For years if necessary. It got away with Crimea without much pain. That can't be allowed to happen this time. The longer the war goes on, runs down the Russian economy and the more sanctions turn Russia into a domestic problem for the leadership, the more likely that Putin will get deposed and a political solution with a new leader is possible.
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Post by Gods on Aug 9, 2022 13:27:27 GMT
That was the view of the former British General. That once the Donbass is annexed, elections held and is declared Russian as will happen very shortly. Then were Ukraine to shell the region to try to get it back that would in Russian eyes be no different to shelling the Kremlin. They may very well, not definitely, respond with battlefield nukes which would end the dispute on the Donbass with immediate effect. They would, he said, gamble that the west would not engage directly militarily with Russia over this. He convinced me. I don't see that given Russia holds the nuclear ace Ukraine will ever get back lost land. Not militarily anyway. That will only happen were political sentiment to change in Russia. No sign of it yet. It is absolutely inconceivable that the West would turn a blind eye to Russia using battlefield nukes in Ukraine. To do so, would encourage numerous other nations to acquire similar weapons and use them against their neighbours. A brilliant but extremely lengthy read ... www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapon-us-response/661315/What do you think the west would do if Russia were to deploy battlefield nukes? It's a genuine question, I don't know. I could imagine a UN resolution condemning it, more sanctions and a build up of troops in Poland. But would the west nuke them back? The good General reckons Russia don't believe they will.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 9, 2022 14:26:09 GMT
What do you think the west would do if Russia were to deploy battlefield nukes? It's a genuine question, I don't know. I could imagine a UN resolution condemning it, more sanctions and a build up of troops in Poland. But would the west nuke them back? The good General reckons Russia don't believe they will. Declare a no fly zone over Ukraine and cruise missile/air strike every Russian military base to shit? I have no idea but there's quite a big spectrum. All the resonant reliable sources also make it sound like the CCP have told Putin not to fuck about with nukes.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 9, 2022 14:27:22 GMT
Two almost simultaneous explosions at Russian military base in Crimea. No one seems to know what's gone on but that is deep in occupied territory.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 9, 2022 15:01:56 GMT
Two almost simultaneous explosions at Russian military base in Crimea. No one seems to know what's gone on but that is deep in occupied territory. Got to be a sabotage group. That’s way too well timed to be missiles especially that deep into Russian occupied territory.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 15:07:21 GMT
What do you think the west would do if Russia were to deploy battlefield nukes? It's a genuine question, I don't know. I could imagine a UN resolution condemning it, more sanctions and a build up of troops in Poland. But would the west nuke them back? The good General reckons Russia don't believe they will. You would hope that it'd be a situation where the whole world said that's enough, not just the west. By which I mean, China principally, but also countries that are continuing to trade like India etc. Nuclear escalation fucks us all. Which is why I don't think they'll do it, but you never know.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2022 15:18:00 GMT
Russia set to announce the annexation of the Donbass in September and hold fake elections as the region becomes a part of Russia. There was an ex-military man on Times Radio today describing how cataclysmic this could be. The point he made is that once the Donbass is annexed if Ukraine were to send missiles in to Donbass they will in the eyes of Russia be attacking Russia itself! He was floating the idea that were this to happen Russia will likely respond with battlefield nuclear weapons. These won't mark the end of civilisation but they would vapourise anyone in a 2 mile radius and in turn quickly polish off any Ukrainian resistance because anyone in their path will be dead. He said Russia will do so in the knowledge there would be zero appetite from the west to join a nuclear war with Russia so the west will turn a blind eye to this minor, as they would pretend to see it, nuclear indiscretion. Pretty chilling stuff IMHO. They've already bombed Russia itself. What a load of shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2022 15:20:05 GMT
Two almost simultaneous explosions at Russian military base in Crimea. No one seems to know what's gone on but that is deep in occupied territory. Got to be a sabotage group. That’s way too well timed to be missiles especially that deep into Russian occupied territory. Twitter seems to think they have new unannounced toys.
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