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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 19:18:46 GMT
The Israeli PM said there was no such deal though. Regardless, what do you think the terms should be now? Also the idea Ukraine can't win is desperate russian propaganda. The media has really fucked up by failing to properly cover the state of R Russia's military stores. Ok, you keep believing that if you want to, this delusional mindset is why Ukrainians will continue to die. Henry Kissinger once stated that “there’s one thing worse than being Americas enemy, and that is being Americas ally” this is Ukraine right now, being used as a proxy and their soldiers cannon fodder in an un-winnable war. Seriously mate, you're just spamming russian propaganda. Should be really careful believing what you're reading online. Don't you think Ukrainians get to choose? Ukrainians don't want to be exterminated, so they want to fight. Just talking to a few Ukrainians should convince you that the polling is right. Anyway, what do you think the peace deal should be, what will Ukraine have to give up in your world where russia would actually negotiate? |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 23, 2024 19:42:42 GMT
Ok, you keep believing that if you want to, this delusional mindset is why Ukrainians will continue to die. Henry Kissinger once stated that “there’s one thing worse than being Americas enemy, and that is being Americas ally” this is Ukraine right now, being used as a proxy and their soldiers cannon fodder in an un-winnable war. Seriously mate, you're just spamming russian propaganda. Should be really careful believing what you're reading online. Don't you think Ukrainians get to choose? Ukrainians don't want to be exterminated, so they want to fight. Just talking to a few Ukrainians should convince you that the polling is right. Anyway, what do you think the peace deal should be, what will Ukraine have to give up in your world where russia would actually negotiate? Hilarious, 😂😂😂 |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Mar 23, 2024 20:04:47 GMT
Also, just out of interest, what do you think the actual peace deal would be? What would Ukraine have to give up for peace in your world where russia will actually negotiate? Once again completely ignoring the fact they have previously negotiated in April 22, according to the former Israeli prime minister who was involved in negotiations they had a tentative deal, why don’t you read his quotes in the article! He lays out what the terms were! Obviously things have changed since then so there would now have to be different concessions on both sides, but I would think that is preferable to us blundering into a world war, which is where it easily could go, we’re probably one incident/accident away from it! Once it starts it won’t stop! Ukraine can not win this now, so it’s just pointless for them to carry on dying! Ukraine can’t win this now so it’s pointless for them to carry on dying? Oh that’s ok then, just give up and hand over a sovereign country to Putin, who will then go on to commit mass murder and purge anyone he sees fit, which will include the current Ukrainian government. Imagine if the allies had that attitude in WW2, we would all be speaking German. |
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Post by plug on Mar 23, 2024 20:12:12 GMT
Seriously mate, you're just spamming russian propaganda. Should be really careful believing what you're reading online. Don't you think Ukrainians get to choose? Ukrainians don't want to be exterminated, so they want to fight. Just talking to a few Ukrainians should convince you that the polling is right. Anyway, what do you think the peace deal should be, what will Ukraine have to give up in your world where russia would actually negotiate? Hilarious, 😂😂😂 The arsehole is back. |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 23, 2024 20:30:01 GMT
. You must be looking in the mirror |
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Post by plug on Mar 23, 2024 20:35:40 GMT
. You must be looking in the mirror Brilliant! |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 21:03:46 GMT
I thought he was giving useful context as why Putin invaded. Doesn’t obviously justify it but useful nonetheless Now he's trying to use the (likely) ISIS attack to say the US should be ready to denounce Ukraine. Source. IMO he's a horrible liar who's been pushing Putinist propaganda at every chance. Should be ignored. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 23, 2024 21:17:13 GMT
Seriously mate, you're just spamming russian propaganda. Should be really careful believing what you're reading online. Don't you think Ukrainians get to choose? Ukrainians don't want to be exterminated, so they want to fight. Just talking to a few Ukrainians should convince you that the polling is right. Anyway, what do you think the peace deal should be, what will Ukraine have to give up in your world where russia would actually negotiate? Hilarious, 😂😂😂 What's hilarious about it? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 21:30:23 GMT
Big booms in what looks like central Sevastopol, occupied Crimea.
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2024 21:42:55 GMT
Once again completely ignoring the fact they have previously negotiated in April 22, according to the former Israeli prime minister who was involved in negotiations they had a tentative deal, why don’t you read his quotes in the article! He lays out what the terms were! Obviously things have changed since then so there would now have to be different concessions on both sides, but I would think that is preferable to us blundering into a world war, which is where it easily could go, we’re probably one incident/accident away from it! Once it starts it won’t stop! Ukraine can not win this now, so it’s just pointless for them to carry on dying! Ukraine can’t win this now so it’s pointless for them to carry on dying? Oh that’s ok then, just give up and hand over a sovereign country to Putin, who will then go on to commit mass murder and purge anyone he sees fit, which will include the current Ukrainian government. Imagine if the allies had that attitude in WW2, we would all be speaking German. They don't need to 'win' in absolute military sense They just need to keep fighting until Putin dies and Russia goes home Decade should do it |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 23:15:33 GMT
Once again completely ignoring the fact they have previously negotiated in April 22, according to the former Israeli prime minister who was involved in negotiations they had a tentative deal, why don’t you read his quotes in the article! He lays out what the terms were! Obviously things have changed since then so there would now have to be different concessions on both sides, but I would think that is preferable to us blundering into a world war, which is where it easily could go, we’re probably one incident/accident away from it! Once it starts it won’t stop! Ukraine can not win this now, so it’s just pointless for them to carry on dying! Ukraine can’t win this now so it’s pointless for them to carry on dying? Oh that’s ok then, just give up and hand over a sovereign country to Putin, who will then go on to commit mass murder and purge anyone he sees fit, which will include the current Ukrainian government. Imagine if the allies had that attitude in WW2, we would all be speaking German. I think "Ukraine can't win" is really dangerous russian propaganda. For six months, russia has used a huge advantage in artillery and aircraft to conquer about 0.05% of Ukraine while losing about 5 tanks or IFVs for each Ukrainian loss. About 2-3 years' worth of new production gone in six months. Putin knows his soviet stockpile is running out so he's desperate for the West to abandon Ukraine before it's obvious and we give Ukraine the firepower to do even better. If we just give the Ukrainians enough kit we won't have to fight russia ourselves, they'll defang the monster for us and save their own people too. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2024 23:31:57 GMT
Ukraine can’t win this now so it’s pointless for them to carry on dying? Oh that’s ok then, just give up and hand over a sovereign country to Putin, who will then go on to commit mass murder and purge anyone he sees fit, which will include the current Ukrainian government. Imagine if the allies had that attitude in WW2, we would all be speaking German. I think "Ukraine can't win" is really dangerous russian propaganda. For six months, russia has used a huge advantage in artillery and aircraft to conquer about 0.05% of Ukraine while losing about 5 tanks or IFVs for each Ukrainian loss. About 2-3 years' worth of new production gone in six months. Putin knows his soviet stockpile is running out so he's desperate for the West to abandon Ukraine before it's obvious and we give Ukraine the firepower to do even better. If we just give the Ukrainians enough kit we won't have to fight russia ourselves, they'll defang the monster for us and save their own people too.
Agree with all of that and that is exactly why we don't need to escalate it right now by putting NATO ground troops in there.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 23, 2024 23:46:13 GMT
Ukraine can’t win this now so it’s pointless for them to carry on dying? Oh that’s ok then, just give up and hand over a sovereign country to Putin, who will then go on to commit mass murder and purge anyone he sees fit, which will include the current Ukrainian government. Imagine if the allies had that attitude in WW2, we would all be speaking German. They don't need to 'win' in absolute military sense They just need to keep fighting until Putin dies and Russia goes home Decade should do it Yep, I can’t see a scenario where Ukraine actually win militarily but they can degrade and exhaust Russia to the point where it’s no longer worth it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 23:49:44 GMT
They don't need to 'win' in absolute military sense They just need to keep fighting until Putin dies and Russia goes home Decade should do it Yep, I can’t see a scenario where Ukraine actually win militarily but they can degrade and exhaust Russia to the point where it’s no longer worth it It was those kind of tactics that led to the development of the States. The U.S. barely won a battle, yet they refused to lose for long enough that it cost too much to bother continuing. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2024 2:47:21 GMT
Well ISIS channels released bodycam footage of the sick attack.
Seems like they really are to blame.
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Post by Billy the kid on Mar 24, 2024 9:14:05 GMT
Well ISIS channels released bodycam footage of the sick attack. Seems like they really are to blame. Imagine how crestfallen they must feel. They take 10 years to make their come back as the world's defacto terrorist organization. To then have the target claim it's someone else. And now having to go to great lengths to prove it was them. It's like "No really it was us! Why don't you believe me?" |
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2024 10:54:03 GMT
At what point do we all need to be getting very concerned? If he does wage war, could this be the most dangerous moment for the West since WW2? We should. And on the news here on tv a couple of days ago they informed China have four times as much weapons now compared to 2000. The IS terrorist attack recently at a concert event in Russia leading to more than 100 dead people was of course absolutely dreadful! The European Union, USA, India, Egypt and some more countries have expressed their feelings. Sweden actually separately as well even though we belong to EU. |
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Post by steve66 on Mar 24, 2024 11:29:31 GMT
Why the F@@@ can’t someone hit Kremlin with 3/4 missiles from upon high and destroy the C@@@ while he’s there???? Who’s to know who dunnit!!!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2024 12:24:32 GMT
Some big claims around the Crimea hits last night. Zero visual confirmation from what I’ve seen though to back it up. Which is sad.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 24, 2024 13:42:24 GMT
Why the F@@@ can’t someone hit Kremlin with 3/4 missiles from upon high and destroy the C@@@ while he’s there???? Who’s to know who dunnit!!!!! Probably because it’s a case of better the devil you know Putins many things but he isn’t insane I’m sure the west might look at taking him out if there pretty certain the replacement is better |
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Post by Northy on Mar 24, 2024 13:42:47 GMT
Some big claims around the Crimea hits last night. Zero visual confirmation from what I’ve seen though to back it up. Which is sad. Military comms sites in Sevastopol ? |
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Post by questionable on Mar 24, 2024 13:57:30 GMT
Some big claims around the Crimea hits last night. Zero visual confirmation from what I’ve seen though to back it up. Which is sad. Military comms sites in Sevastopol ? Yep along with two more large Russian landing boats, also hit an airport damaging 3 Su57,s. There’s also confirmed reports that Ukrainian missiles hit a marine base and dozens killed and wounded |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2024 15:30:27 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2024 15:33:43 GMT
India was expecting 6 brand new S-400 air defence systems this year, which they ordered before the full invasion. Sounds like Russia is taking them and says India can have 2 by 2026 - source. Experts say russian companies often lose money selling to russia but profit on exports. What idiot would order from Russia now? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2024 15:35:40 GMT
I saw the video, it's basically that. Now this is a terrorist who murdered innocents so I don't feel too bad for him, but I do feel awful for all the thousands of POWs and civilians that russians do this shit to. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 24, 2024 15:47:23 GMT
Russia launched 90 missiles and 60 drones the other night and has cut most of Kharkiv off from power for days.
Fucking disgusting terrorists.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2024 16:58:17 GMT
I saw the video, it's basically that. Now this is a terrorist who murdered innocents so I don't feel too bad for him, but I do feel awful for all the thousands of POWs and civilians that russians do this shit to. Quite. It's about the cycle of gratuitous brutality in an already brutalised society. If the state does that and doesn't hide it it becomes seen as a legitimate response to any dispute. |
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Post by Gawa on Mar 24, 2024 17:04:04 GMT
I think ISIS have missed a massive trick with this one. Their main motive is for an Ialamic State? Feels like a massive mistake that they claimed the attack. Had they not it may have provoked an escalation between two majority Christian enemies. By claiming the attack I fear for the repercussions that minority Muslim communities may experience in Russia. Poor move in my opinion.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 24, 2024 17:46:47 GMT
I think ISIS have missed a massive trick with this one. Their main motive is for an Ialamic State? Feels like a massive mistake that they claimed the attack. Had they not it may have provoked an escalation between two majority Christian enemies. By claiming the attack I fear for the repercussions that minority Muslim communities may experience in Russia. Poor move in my opinion. Why? Aren't persecuted, disaffected minorities where they foment radicalisation and then recruit? |
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Post by LDE76 on Mar 24, 2024 17:48:09 GMT
I think ISIS have missed a massive trick with this one. Their main motive is for an Ialamic State? Feels like a massive mistake that they claimed the attack. Had they not it may have provoked an escalation between two majority Christian enemies. By claiming the attack I fear for the repercussions that minority Muslim communities may experience in Russia. Poor move in my opinion. That's on top of the fact that the Muslim republics within the Russian Federation have already suffered massively, their menfolk featuring disproportionately in Putin's bouts of conscription and being sent west to participate in frontal attacks against prepared positions. |
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