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Post by serpico on Mar 23, 2024 7:00:55 GMT
Like i said, talk is cheap, if this carries on it could go global and when it does you’ll deeply regret not pressuring our government to hold talks, Putin has intimated he’s open to negotiation and if what he said in the tucker interview is true there was a peace deal on the table in March/April 2022 which boris Johnson scuppered at the behest of the yanks! Ukraine is ready to negotiate. It's the terrorist state that won't be reasonable. Putin has demanded Ukraine disband its main army, put in a Putin puppet and surrender its territory. Where Russia will mass torture and brainwash civilians. Then Putin will use them in the next invasion. Putin also recently said he won't hold talks now because why talk when Ukrainian ammo is running low. This is like dealing with the Fascists and Nazis. Begging for us to do mistakes even more extreme than Chamberlain's is bad IMO. If you believe all this about putin then nothing but an all out war will stop him, just by intermittently sending arms to Ukraine will ensure an entrenched situation, the only sensible way out of this now is talks!!! As I say, if/when war comes to this country you’ll be on your knees, crying and wishing you’d have supported having talks! War is absolute hell! The food supply chain will be hit, jobs will disappear, massive upheaval … and for what?!?! A country on the border of Russia that doesn’t even matter to us! Putins major issue is Ukraines potential NATO membership, he doesnt want that on his doorstep, there’s definitely scope for negotiations! Imo I think the Carlson interview was him slightly opening the door for negotiations, he literally said himself at some point there will be negotiations, one way or another, why not cut to the chase, end the blood shed and get a ceasefire in place! |
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Post by questionable on Mar 23, 2024 8:40:04 GMT
Ukraine is ready to negotiate. It's the terrorist state that won't be reasonable. Putin has demanded Ukraine disband its main army, put in a Putin puppet and surrender its territory. Where Russia will mass torture and brainwash civilians. Then Putin will use them in the next invasion. Putin also recently said he won't hold talks now because why talk when Ukrainian ammo is running low. This is like dealing with the Fascists and Nazis. Begging for us to do mistakes even more extreme than Chamberlain's is bad IMO. If you believe all this about putin then nothing but an all out war will stop him, just by intermittently sending arms to Ukraine will ensure an entrenched situation, the only sensible way out of this now is talks!!! As I say, if/when war comes to this country you’ll be on your knees, crying and wishing you’d have supported having talks! War is absolute hell! The food supply chain will be hit, jobs will disappear, massive upheaval … and for what?!?! A country on the border of Russia that doesn’t even matter to us! Putins major issue is Ukraines potential NATO membership, he doesnt want that on his doorstep, there’s definitely scope for negotiations! Imo I think the Carlson interview was him slightly opening the door for negotiations, he literally said himself at some point there will be negotiations, one way or another, why not cut to the chase, end the blood shed and get a ceasefire in place! So you’re ok with Ukrainians being slaughtered for a buffer zone so there’s no war here, hence we need to now talk. It’s talking that created this whole shit show in the first place, give up your nukes and we’ll see that Russia doesn’t invade, fat lot of good that. Let’s say it as it is here Russia have and will continue to invade weaker countries until there is a world war for their own greed. F Russia |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 23, 2024 10:38:18 GMT
Putin taking his time to respond.
How long we giving it until he comes out blaming Ukraine and there is a sudden surge of young men ready to fight as a consequence…
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2024 11:02:19 GMT
Putin taking his time to respond. How long we giving it until he comes out blaming Ukraine and there is a sudden surge of young men ready to fight as a consequence… ISIS take responsibility but Russia say they’ve picked up all the men “fleeing towards Ukraine”. So yeah, I imagine what you say will be his next step. Very sad loss of lives for Russian citizens. |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Mar 23, 2024 11:22:07 GMT
Ukraine is ready to negotiate. It's the terrorist state that won't be reasonable. Putin has demanded Ukraine disband its main army, put in a Putin puppet and surrender its territory. Where Russia will mass torture and brainwash civilians. Then Putin will use them in the next invasion. Putin also recently said he won't hold talks now because why talk when Ukrainian ammo is running low. This is like dealing with the Fascists and Nazis. Begging for us to do mistakes even more extreme than Chamberlain's is bad IMO. If you believe all this about putin then nothing but an all out war will stop him, just by intermittently sending arms to Ukraine will ensure an entrenched situation, the only sensible way out of this now is talks!!! As I say, if/when war comes to this country you’ll be on your knees, crying and wishing you’d have supported having talks! War is absolute hell! The food supply chain will be hit, jobs will disappear, massive upheaval … and for what?!?! A country on the border of Russia that doesn’t even matter to us! Putins major issue is Ukraines potential NATO membership, he doesnt want that on his doorstep, there’s definitely scope for negotiations! Imo I think the Carlson interview was him slightly opening the door for negotiations, he literally said himself at some point there will be negotiations, one way or another, why not cut to the chase, end the blood shed and get a ceasefire in place! Negotiate with Putin? Yeah ok see how that goes, have you not watched any of his interviews since the invasion? He doesn’t believe Ukraine is a legitimate independent country and believes that the country is run by Nazis. He wants the whole of Ukraine. Not just the parts already taken. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2024 11:43:00 GMT
If you believe all this about putin then nothing but an all out war will stop him, just by intermittently sending arms to Ukraine will ensure an entrenched situation, the only sensible way out of this now is talks!!! As I say, if/when war comes to this country you’ll be on your knees, crying and wishing you’d have supported having talks! War is absolute hell! The food supply chain will be hit, jobs will disappear, massive upheaval … and for what?!?! A country on the border of Russia that doesn’t even matter to us! Putins major issue is Ukraines potential NATO membership, he doesnt want that on his doorstep, there’s definitely scope for negotiations! Imo I think the Carlson interview was him slightly opening the door for negotiations, he literally said himself at some point there will be negotiations, one way or another, why not cut to the chase, end the blood shed and get a ceasefire in place! Negotiate with Putin? Yeah ok see how that goes, have you not watched any of his interviews since the invasion? He doesn’t believe Ukraine is a legitimate independent country and believes that the country is run by Nazis. He wants the whole of Ukraine. Not just the parts already taken. And then will come back for more, Moldova, Baltic States, Poland, when does it stop? The West should have been much stronger over Georgia and then re Putin actions in Syria There is no negotiating with Putin none Only containment and that means backing Ukraine for as long as it takes The alternative is much much worse |
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Post by questionable on Mar 23, 2024 15:11:03 GMT
I have no sympathy whatsoever for ruSSians, I’ve watched the footage in detail and reviews and firmly of the opinion that yet again it’s a false flag stunt. Recall Ukrainians pointing out there were children in a theatre sheltering and guess what ruSSia flattened it.
They’ve had it coming and you reap what you sow and no doubt they’ll blame Ukraine for it
F🇷🇺
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Post by musik on Mar 23, 2024 15:43:28 GMT
They stopped the quarter final broadcasting from Canada in the Curling Ladies World Championship between Sweden and South Korea for an Extra News report, a tv program called Rapport here. It was about the terror attack in Russia where many people were shot to death or injured at an event. IS has confessed, and Putin said it was terrorists on their way to Ukraine.
Dreadful.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Mar 23, 2024 15:46:15 GMT
They stopped the quarter final broadcasting from Canada in the Curling Ladies World Championship between Sweden and South Korea for an Extra News report, a tv program called Rapport here. It was about the terror attack in Russia where many people were shot to death or injured at an event. IS has confessed, and Putin said it was terrorists on their way to Ukraine. Dreadful. Yeah on their way to Ukraine, through and open conflict zone, seems reasonable. It was only a matter of time before they blamed/linked it to Ukraine. |
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Post by musik on Mar 23, 2024 15:49:42 GMT
They stopped the quarter final broadcasting from Canada in the Curling Ladies World Championship between Sweden and South Korea for an Extra News report, a tv program called Rapport here. It was about the terror attack in Russia where many people were shot to death or injured at an event. IS has confessed, and Putin said it was terrorists on their way to Ukraine. Dreadful. Yeah on their way to Ukraine, through and open conflict zone, seems reasonable. It was only a matter of time before they blamed/linked it to Ukraine. Did he mean they were on their way to Ukraine for some terror attacks there, but stopped on their way to have it done in Russia as well? 🤔 Just trying to understand the logic. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 15:54:12 GMT
I have no sympathy whatsoever for ruSSians, I’ve watched the footage in detail and reviews and firmly of the opinion that yet again it’s a false flag stunt. Recall Ukrainians pointing out there were children in a theatre sheltering and guess what ruSSia flattened it. They’ve had it coming and you reap what you sow and no doubt they’ll blame Ukraine for it F🇷🇺 The people in the concert hall surely can't be blamed for what russia is doing in Ukraine. There are people there who wouldn't have supported Putin, and to me it's not a military target at all so it's completely unacceptable. Yes, there is a huge cancer in russian culture where many of them really do support the evil, but becoming like those ones is not the way IMO. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2024 15:57:45 GMT
Terrible tragedy, but if it is ISIS then 'maybe' that'll draw some of the Russian forces back towards their capital and move Moscows focus closer to home.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 16:00:27 GMT
Looks like the perps have been caught. The russians are triumphantly sharing video, supposedly of them cutting the ear off one and trying to force him to eat it.
I've seen so many videos of russians chopping parts off Ukrainians (ears, noses, heads, hands, feet, balls, penises, breasts) that I don't feel the need to watch the whole thing to confirm all the details. The photo they're sharing of the carved up face is enough proof for me.
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Post by Foster on Mar 23, 2024 16:11:45 GMT
Seems like the propaganda linking them to Ukraine is in full motion.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 16:24:38 GMT
Another big russian attack left a bunch of vehicles behind to get blown up.
Supposedly 10 more for the scrapheap.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 16:26:29 GMT
Reminder of just one time that russians murdered a load of civilians in a mall.
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Post by serpico on Mar 23, 2024 16:26:52 GMT
If you believe all this about putin then nothing but an all out war will stop him, just by intermittently sending arms to Ukraine will ensure an entrenched situation, the only sensible way out of this now is talks!!! As I say, if/when war comes to this country you’ll be on your knees, crying and wishing you’d have supported having talks! War is absolute hell! The food supply chain will be hit, jobs will disappear, massive upheaval … and for what?!?! A country on the border of Russia that doesn’t even matter to us! Putins major issue is Ukraines potential NATO membership, he doesnt want that on his doorstep, there’s definitely scope for negotiations! Imo I think the Carlson interview was him slightly opening the door for negotiations, he literally said himself at some point there will be negotiations, one way or another, why not cut to the chase, end the blood shed and get a ceasefire in place! So you’re ok with Ukrainians being slaughtered for a buffer zone so there’s no war here, hence we need to now talk. It’s talking that created this whole shit show in the first place, give up your nukes and we’ll see that Russia doesn’t invade, fat lot of good that. Let’s say it as it is here Russia have and will continue to invade weaker countries until there is a world war for their own greed. F Russia Did you read the article I posted earlier which quotes the former Israeli prime minister ? The two sides WERE negotiating terms for a ceasefire which, in the former Israeli prime ministers words, would likely have lead to an end of hostilities! Ukraine would also not have to disarm but would have to go bank to being neutral, which it was pre 2014! … Boris Johnson went over and skuttled it because he wanted to carry on pretending to be Churchill on the world stage. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 16:42:16 GMT
Did you read the article I posted earlier which quotes the former Israeli prime minister ? The two sides WERE negotiating terms for a ceasefire which, in the former Israeli prime ministers words, would likely have lead to an end of hostilities! Ukraine would also not have to disarm but would have to go bank to being neutral, which it was pre 2014! … Boris Johnson went over and skuttled it because he wanted to carry on pretending to be Churchill on the world stage. I think it's important to note that the Israeli PM Bennett actually said that no such deal existed — and said talks broke down because of apparent Russian war crimes.. Just believing russian propaganda and trying to copy Chamberlain, but worse, is a bad idea IMO. It's a good idea to let Ukraine decide how far it's willing to go, and send much more equipment so that they can defeat the russian army. It's russia that's refusing to negotiate, the West and Ukraine desperately want peace, but Putin has made it really fucking obvious that russia will not negotiate until its army is beaten. Ukraine is in hell, and when you're in hell you keep going. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 16:45:36 GMT
Did you read the article I posted earlier which quotes the former Israeli prime minister ? The two sides WERE negotiating terms for a ceasefire which, in the former Israeli prime ministers words, would likely have lead to an end of hostilities! Ukraine would also not have to disarm but would have to go bank to being neutral, which it was pre 2014! … Boris Johnson went over and skuttled it because he wanted to carry on pretending to be Churchill on the world stage. Also, just out of interest, what do you think the actual peace deal would be? What would Ukraine have to give up for peace in your world where russia will actually negotiate? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2024 17:38:18 GMT
Ukraine is ready to negotiate. It's the terrorist state that won't be reasonable. Putin has demanded Ukraine disband its main army, put in a Putin puppet and surrender its territory. Where Russia will mass torture and brainwash civilians. Then Putin will use them in the next invasion. Putin also recently said he won't hold talks now because why talk when Ukrainian ammo is running low. This is like dealing with the Fascists and Nazis. Begging for us to do mistakes even more extreme than Chamberlain's is bad IMO. If you believe all this about putin then nothing but an all out war will stop him, just by intermittently sending arms to Ukraine will ensure an entrenched situation, the only sensible way out of this now is talks!!! As I say, if/when war comes to this country you’ll be on your knees, crying and wishing you’d have supported having talks! War is absolute hell! The food supply chain will be hit, jobs will disappear, massive upheaval … and for what?!?! A country on the border of Russia that doesn’t even matter to us! Putins major issue is Ukraines potential NATO membership, he doesnt want that on his doorstep, there’s definitely scope for negotiations! Imo I think the Carlson interview was him slightly opening the door for negotiations, he literally said himself at some point there will be negotiations, one way or another, why not cut to the chase, end the blood shed and get a ceasefire in place! He’s got it on his doorstep with Finland. Well done Vlad 🤣 It’s bollocks. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2024 17:40:00 GMT
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Post by questionable on Mar 23, 2024 17:43:15 GMT
I have no sympathy whatsoever for ruSSians, I’ve watched the footage in detail and reviews and firmly of the opinion that yet again it’s a false flag stunt. Recall Ukrainians pointing out there were children in a theatre sheltering and guess what ruSSia flattened it. They’ve had it coming and you reap what you sow and no doubt they’ll blame Ukraine for it F🇷🇺 The people in the concert hall surely can't be blamed for what russia is doing in Ukraine. There are people there who wouldn't have supported Putin, and to me it's not a military target at all so it's completely unacceptable. Yes, there is a huge cancer in russian culture where many of them really do support the evil, but becoming like those ones is not the way IMO. Whilst X is a cess pit of lies and conspiracies there’s plenty of credible information, for example Russian soldiers only recently have used the exact same building for their anti terrorist training methods, there’s literally thousands of CCTV cameras in Moscow and hundreds of Police, hold a anti Putin poster and hey ho within seconds you’re arrested “but” a “white” van with with old Ukrainian number plates can somehow get stopped 16 miles from Belarus and “miraculously” make it all the way to Moscow waltz through non existent policing and shoot what are now being described as plastic bullets. Sorry but yet again ruSSia want to carry out something big and bull shit the world it’s justifiable. F🇷🇺 they deserve everything they get |
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Post by musik on Mar 23, 2024 17:45:05 GMT
In Sweden IS means Islamic State.
But ISIS, is that just an echo or is it a sign of inflammation? (Like tenditis unlike tendit here.)
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 18:21:55 GMT
In Sweden IS means Islamic State. But ISIS, is that just an echo or is it a sign of inflammation? (Like tenditis unlike tendit here.) This is supposedly ISIS-K, which sounds like a supplement. |
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Post by serpico on Mar 23, 2024 18:33:20 GMT
Did you read the article I posted earlier which quotes the former Israeli prime minister ? The two sides WERE negotiating terms for a ceasefire which, in the former Israeli prime ministers words, would likely have lead to an end of hostilities! Ukraine would also not have to disarm but would have to go bank to being neutral, which it was pre 2014! … Boris Johnson went over and skuttled it because he wanted to carry on pretending to be Churchill on the world stage. Also, just out of interest, what do you think the actual peace deal would be? What would Ukraine have to give up for peace in your world where russia will actually negotiate? Once again completely ignoring the fact they have previously negotiated in April 22, according to the former Israeli prime minister who was involved in negotiations they had a tentative deal, why don’t you read his quotes in the article! He lays out what the terms were! Obviously things have changed since then so there would now have to be different concessions on both sides, but I would think that is preferable to us blundering into a world war, which is where it easily could go, we’re probably one incident/accident away from it! Once it starts it won’t stop! Ukraine can not win this now, so it’s just pointless for them to carry on dying! |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 18:35:51 GMT
Ok so the video is what people said. They pin this suspect down, slice his ear off and then try to put it in his mouth.
If he's guilty then I think most would say he deserves it, but I don't think the state should ever be allowed to do that.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 23, 2024 18:39:23 GMT
So you’re ok with Ukrainians being slaughtered for a buffer zone so there’s no war here, hence we need to now talk. It’s talking that created this whole shit show in the first place, give up your nukes and we’ll see that Russia doesn’t invade, fat lot of good that. Let’s say it as it is here Russia have and will continue to invade weaker countries until there is a world war for their own greed. F Russia Did you read the article I posted earlier which quotes the former Israeli prime minister ? The two sides WERE negotiating terms for a ceasefire which, in the former Israeli prime ministers words, would likely have lead to an end of hostilities! Ukraine would also not have to disarm but would have to go bank to being neutral, which it was pre 2014! … Boris Johnson went over and skuttled it because he wanted to carry on pretending to be Churchill on the world stage. Well at least Johnson did something right |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 18:39:39 GMT
Also, just out of interest, what do you think the actual peace deal would be? What would Ukraine have to give up for peace in your world where russia will actually negotiate? Once again completely ignoring the fact they have previously negotiated in April 22, according to the former Israeli prime minister who was involved in negotiations they had a tentative deal, why don’t you read his quotes in the article! He lays out what the terms were! Obviously things have changed since then so there would now have to be different concessions on both sides, but I would think that is preferable to us blundering into a world war, which is where it easily could go, we’re probably one incident/accident away from it! Once it starts it won’t stop! Ukraine can not win this now, so it’s just pointless for them to carry on dying! The Israeli PM said there was no such deal though. Regardless, what do you think the terms should be now? Also the idea Ukraine can't win is desperate russian propaganda. The media has really fucked up by failing to properly cover the state of R Russia's military stores. |
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Post by serpico on Mar 23, 2024 18:52:19 GMT
Once again completely ignoring the fact they have previously negotiated in April 22, according to the former Israeli prime minister who was involved in negotiations they had a tentative deal, why don’t you read his quotes in the article! He lays out what the terms were! Obviously things have changed since then so there would now have to be different concessions on both sides, but I would think that is preferable to us blundering into a world war, which is where it easily could go, we’re probably one incident/accident away from it! Once it starts it won’t stop! Ukraine can not win this now, so it’s just pointless for them to carry on dying! The Israeli PM said there was no such deal though. Regardless, what do you think the terms should be now? Also the idea Ukraine can't win is desperate russian propaganda. The media has really fucked up by failing to properly cover the state of R Russia's military stores. Ok, you keep believing that if you want to, this delusional mindset is why Ukrainians will continue to die. Henry Kissinger once stated that “there’s one thing worse than being Americas enemy, and that is being Americas ally” this is Ukraine right now, being used as a proxy and their soldiers cannon fodder in an un-winnable war. |
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Post by questionable on Mar 23, 2024 18:59:38 GMT
In Sweden IS means Islamic State. But ISIS, is that just an echo or is it a sign of inflammation? (Like tenditis unlike tendit here.) This is supposedly ISIS-K, which sounds like a supplement. More like a breakfast cereal |
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