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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 22, 2024 19:56:05 GMT
Awful for the people involved, I’ve seen the unedited footage on social media and it’s grim.
Hopefully it won’t lead to a major escalation…..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2024 20:16:16 GMT
Little point in commenting on any of this utter madness, everyone has their agendas and theories, finding the truth about any event during a war is like platting snot, it’s not going to happen. So much bollocks written and said by all sides, I’m sick of it! Interesting that the US and UK embassies warned people to avoid large gathering in Moscow, they knew something was coming! The intel we have had from the get go about Russia and their war goals has been absolutely spot on. America will have warned Russia like it warned Iran about the attacks there. |
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Post by serpico on Mar 22, 2024 20:21:19 GMT
Of course putin will use it to push his agenda, how does this make him different than most other “leaders” ?!?!? He’s a politician, that’s what they do, leverage crisis and tragedy to do things they ordinarily wouldn’t be able to, just look at 9/11! , it doesn’t mean they orchestrated the crisis but they Never let a good one go to waste!
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Post by serpico on Mar 22, 2024 20:33:27 GMT
Little point in commenting on any of this utter madness, everyone has their agendas and theories, finding the truth about any event during a war is like platting snot, it’s not going to happen. So much bollocks written and said by all sides, I’m sick of it! Interesting that the US and UK embassies warned people to avoid large gathering in Moscow, they knew something was coming! The intel we have had from the get go about Russia and their war goals has been absolutely spot on. America will have warned Russia like it warned Iran about the attacks there. Well, whatever the circumstance of this attack it is not good for anybody, it’ll only fuel paranoia and heighten tensions. I get a feeling one day everyone is going to massively regret not calling for talks to resolve this, that regret will only hit when war comes directly to this country, but for now most people support the war because it’s thousands of miles away and only seen on screens! |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 20:36:31 GMT
Of course putin will use it to push his agenda, how does this make him different than most other “leaders” ?!?!? He’s a politician, that’s what they do, leverage crisis and tragedy to do things they ordinarily wouldn’t be able to, just look at 9/11! , it doesn’t mean they orchestrated the crisis but they Never let a good one go to waste! Fair point mate. One difference is russia's attacked their own occupied land before. And faked attacks then posed morgue cadavers after. I doubt we'll ever know the truth, loads of space for conspiracy & speculation. If they capture and execute the actual terrorists then you'd assume the attackers weren't in the know at least. But if they disappear into thin air you might think 🤔 |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 20:37:39 GMT
The intel we have had from the get go about Russia and their war goals has been absolutely spot on. America will have warned Russia like it warned Iran about the attacks there. Well, whatever the circumstance of this attack it is not good for anybody, it’ll only fuel paranoia and heighten tensions. I get a feeling one day everyone is going to massively regret not calling for talks to resolve this, that regret will only hit when war comes directly to this country, but for now most people support the war because it’s thousands of miles away and only seen on screens! Everyone has been calling for talks. Russia refuses to negotiate and withdraw. The only option they've given Ukraine is eventual extermination. So the only way we can get talks is by arming Ukraine properly. Russia doesn't negotiate unless they think they're gonna get their face caved in. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 20:39:21 GMT
Weeks ago the US embassy warned Americans to avoid large gatherings in Moscow because of terrorism risk. It seems there is an attack in Moscow right now, videos showing gunmen. My first guess is the russians will say they're linked to some Ukrainian group and Putin will do some speech explaining why they need to do even more war. Any thoughts? Already starting: @nexta_tv ❗️ #Medvedev said that if #Ukraine was found to be behind the attack, "all the attackers and organizers should be found and ruthlessly eliminated as terrorists. Including state officials." Earlier, an adviser to the head of the Ukrainian president's office, Podolyak, said that "Ukraine had nothing to do with the terrorist attack." It'll be a little while before we know where russia's going with this. Rumours now seem heavy on the ISIS angle, if it's them then maybe that's harder to spin into a Ukraine thing? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2024 20:41:53 GMT
The intel we have had from the get go about Russia and their war goals has been absolutely spot on. America will have warned Russia like it warned Iran about the attacks there. Well, whatever the circumstance of this attack it is not good for anybody, it’ll only fuel paranoia and heighten tensions. I get a feeling one day everyone is going to massively regret not calling for talks to resolve this, that regret will only hit when war comes directly to this country, but for now most people support the war because it’s thousands of miles away and only seen on screens! What is there to resolve? Us - leave Ukraine Russia - no |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2024 20:43:59 GMT
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Post by serpico on Mar 22, 2024 20:52:35 GMT
Well, whatever the circumstance of this attack it is not good for anybody, it’ll only fuel paranoia and heighten tensions. I get a feeling one day everyone is going to massively regret not calling for talks to resolve this, that regret will only hit when war comes directly to this country, but for now most people support the war because it’s thousands of miles away and only seen on screens! Everyone has been calling for talks. Russia refuses to negotiate and withdraw. The only option they've given Ukraine is eventual extermination. So the only way we can get talks is by arming Ukraine properly. Russia doesn't negotiate unless they think they're gonna get their face caved in. Like i said, talk is cheap, if this carries on it could go global and when it does you’ll deeply regret not pressuring our government to hold talks, Putin has intimated he’s open to negotiation and if what he said in the tucker interview is true there was a peace deal on the table in March/April 2022 which boris Johnson scuppered at the behest of the yanks! |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 22, 2024 20:53:27 GMT
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but Islamist extremist attacks on Russia?
Is there precedent for this?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2024 20:53:49 GMT
Everyone has been calling for talks. Russia refuses to negotiate and withdraw. The only option they've given Ukraine is eventual extermination. So the only way we can get talks is by arming Ukraine properly. Russia doesn't negotiate unless they think they're gonna get their face caved in. Like i said, talk is cheap, if this carries on it could go global and when it does you’ll deeply regret not pressuring our government to hold talks, Putin has intimated he’s open to negotiation and if what he said in the tucker interview is true there was a peace deal on the table in March/April 2022 which boris Johnson scuppered at the behest of the yanks! And you believe that? 🤣 |
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Post by serpico on Mar 22, 2024 21:00:25 GMT
Like i said, talk is cheap, if this carries on it could go global and when it does you’ll deeply regret not pressuring our government to hold talks, Putin has intimated he’s open to negotiation and if what he said in the tucker interview is true there was a peace deal on the table in March/April 2022 which boris Johnson scuppered at the behest of the yanks! And you believe that? 🤣 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2024 21:06:01 GMT
Again. You believe that? 🤣 |
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Post by serpico on Mar 22, 2024 21:13:26 GMT
Again. You believe that? 🤣 See, This is why I say it’s pointless to debate it, you asked me if I believe it so I provide a source to show why it may have some validity and you just brush it off! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2024 21:19:48 GMT
Again. You believe that? 🤣 See, This is why I say it’s pointless to debate it, you asked me if I believe it so I provide a source to show why it may have some validity and you just brush it off! Because it’s nonsense. Carlson on the Russian payroll. Anyway. |
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Post by serpico on Mar 22, 2024 21:32:23 GMT
See, This is why I say it’s pointless to debate it, you asked me if I believe it so I provide a source to show why it may have some validity and you just brush it off! Because it’s nonsense. Carlson on the Russian payroll. Anyway. It wasn’t Carlson that made the claim! Did you even read the article! It quoted the former Israeli prime minister who was involved in brokering the agreement, which was tentatively agreed on by both sides until Churchill fetishist Johnson intervened! |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 21:42:50 GMT
Like i said, talk is cheap, if this carries on it could go global and when it does you’ll deeply regret not pressuring our government to hold talks, Putin has intimated he’s open to negotiation and if what he said in the tucker interview is true there was a peace deal on the table in March/April 2022 which boris Johnson scuppered at the behest of the yanks! Ukraine is ready to negotiate. It's the terrorist state that won't be reasonable. Putin has demanded Ukraine disband its main army, put in a Putin puppet and surrender its territory. Where Russia will mass torture and brainwash civilians. Then Putin will use them in the next invasion. Putin also recently said he won't hold talks now because why talk when Ukrainian ammo is running low. This is like dealing with the Fascists and Nazis. Begging for us to do mistakes even more extreme than Chamberlain's is bad IMO. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 21:46:43 GMT
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but Islamist extremist attacks on Russia? Is there precedent for this? Yeah there are a bunch of Muslim-majority republics in the russian Caucasus. Chechnya is majority Muslim. There are also plenty of russian-speaking Muslims from the central Asian countries the russian empire occupied, with a lot of travel back & forth. EDIT: there was a shootout in the Caucasus early this month too! link. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 21:48:21 GMT
An Afghan branch of ISIS seem to be saying they did it.
But they're attention whores who've claimed stuff they didn't do in the past.
People I trust said at least one shooter had a traditional Muslim beard if that counts for anything.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 22, 2024 21:50:31 GMT
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but Islamist extremist attacks on Russia? Is there precedent for this? |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 22, 2024 21:50:34 GMT
An Afghan branch of ISIS seem to be saying they did it. But they're attention whores who've claimed stuff they didn't do in the past. People I trust said at least one shooter had a traditional Muslim beard if that counts for anything. I thought I’d seen pictures of the people they are after. Certainly looked like Muslims. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 22:04:13 GMT
An Afghan branch of ISIS seem to be saying they did it. But they're attention whores who've claimed stuff they didn't do in the past. People I trust said at least one shooter had a traditional Muslim beard if that counts for anything. I thought I’d seen pictures of the people they are after. Certainly looked like Muslims. A pro-Putin guy who posts from Moscow says his police mate said the shooters spoke "perfect" russian with no accent and were using AK-74s which are hard to get on the open market. Someone else said the fire pattern showed they were old, degraded AKs you could get easily. There's gonna be a whirlwind of bullshit on social media for a while! |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 22:38:39 GMT
A pretty typical Ukrainian reaction to the attacks in Russia. Don't cheer on civilian death etc.
A few military units have posted memes of Prigozhin with his fake beards, but nothing cheering it on yet.
A huge difference between russian and Ukrainian reactions to horrors.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 22, 2024 22:46:28 GMT
Sky News reporting a 2nd shooting in Moscow with 28 injured…
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 22:53:41 GMT
Sky News reporting a 2nd shooting in Moscow with 28 injured… Confusing but does look like a separate one. If this is also a civilian targets then what a horrible, sad thing. The victims and their families do not deserve to face this horror. The same of course goes for the victims of russian terrorism. I wish the news would give as much coverage to the daily atrocities the terrorist state is doing in Ukraine. |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Mar 22, 2024 22:58:00 GMT
Sky News reporting a 2nd shooting in Moscow with 28 injured… Confusing but does look like a separate one. If this is also a civilian targets then what a horrible, sad thing. The victims and their families do not deserve to face this horror. The same of course goes for the victims of russian terrorism. I wish the news would give as much coverage to the daily atrocities the terrorist state is doing in Ukraine. 100% agree, I watched 20 days in Mariupol last night, utterly horrific and what you see in the documentary is without doubt Russian state terrorism, every leader in the west should be made to watch it, then maybe they would give more help. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 22, 2024 23:49:30 GMT
Confusing but does look like a separate one. If this is also a civilian targets then what a horrible, sad thing. The victims and their families do not deserve to face this horror. The same of course goes for the victims of russian terrorism. I wish the news would give as much coverage to the daily atrocities the terrorist state is doing in Ukraine. 100% agree, I watched 20 days in Mariupol last night, utterly horrific and what you see in the documentary is without doubt Russian state terrorism, every leader in the west should be made to watch it, then maybe they would give more help. I haven't watched it yet mate, don't know if I can face it on top of everything else going on. I heard the bravery of the journalists involved was amazing? There were videos leaking out at the time and I saw loads of them. Putin's Russia is just so fucking disgusting. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 1:11:07 GMT
Some better news?
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 23, 2024 3:03:53 GMT
Of course putin will use it to push his agenda, how does this make him different than most other “leaders” ?!?!? He’s a politician, that’s what they do, leverage crisis and tragedy to do things they ordinarily wouldn’t be able to, just look at 9/11! , it doesn’t mean they orchestrated the crisis but they Never let a good one go to waste! Maybe something surprising will come out and prove otherwise but it's looking like you're right mate. 👍 Now the smart folk are saying it's just like an Islamic State attack. Something Putin can use to push an agenda, but probably didn't orchestrate. |
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