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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 21, 2022 19:09:52 GMT
Given the West's leadership this couldn't really be coming at a worse time could it? Putin's a far more intelligent leader than anybody in the west currently. He's been running rings round them. What happens in the Ukraine is unclear, I suspect he's weighing up what he can get away with without provoking any sort of full scale war. Doubt he wants all of Ukraine. Much of it is quite Western looking and pro EU - not sure he'd want to take all that on. His MO so far has been to annex ethnically Russian enclaves either directly or by proxy. Places such as Askhaba and South Ossetia in Georgia, Transnistria in Moldova and Crimea also in Ukraine - where the majority probably feels closer to Russia than they did to Georgia/Ukraine/Moldova and are unlikely to overly object. One guesses his interest is therefore the Dniepr region in the South East - it's where he's stirred the shit and where he will move on the pretxt of 'protecting' the ethnic russian population and ending a civil war (which he started) that has killed 14,000 Ukranians. West will no doubt impose sanctions and freeze assets etc - but then next winter he'll just turn the gas off and the job's a good 'un. More interestin will be if he then turns his attention to the Baktic States where NATO and the EU come more directly into play. |
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Post by hoffgreen on Jan 23, 2022 13:46:26 GMT
Why isn't our government defending our own borders from the thousands upon thousands of mohamedans and Africans that are landing in our country illegaly on a daily basis?
Ukraine isn't our problem.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 23, 2022 14:13:10 GMT
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jan 23, 2022 15:37:22 GMT
Does Russia need to invade Ukraine? It’s massed her troops on the border, her ships are in the Black Sea and others are exercising with Iran and China in the Indian Ocean. All of this has got the Americans around the table, shaken Germany and Russia’s agenda on its frontier security is front and centre at the moment. I’m certain it could get what it wants by just being on the border or it’s ability to manipulate its minorities and proxies already in Ukraine. Without the UK the EU is also looking a bit shy, also no doubt because they’re panicking about energy security over any noble ideals of self determination or democracy.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 23, 2022 15:44:29 GMT
Why isn't our government defending our own borders from the thousands upon thousands of mohamedans and Africans that are landing in our country illegaly on a daily basis? Ukraine isn't our problem. Some people write utter tripe. |
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Post by musik on Jan 23, 2022 16:15:56 GMT
What is their eventual goal with such an invasion?
The Military has been all around here.
🇸🇪
And in Lithuania people are scared, since there are so many russian soldiers in Belarus, their neighbour, now.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2022 19:31:41 GMT
What is their eventual goal with such an invasion? The Military has been all around here. 🇸🇪 And in Lithuania people are scared, since there are so many russian soldiers in Belarus, their neighbour, now. Good question. These are seriously scary times. |
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 24, 2022 21:45:55 GMT
What is their eventual goal with such an invasion? The Military has been all around here. 🇸🇪 And in Lithuania people are scared, since there are so many russian soldiers in Belarus, their neighbour, now. They want to rebuild the USSR and take back all those countries who broke away. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 24, 2022 21:57:22 GMT
What is their eventual goal with such an invasion? The Military has been all around here. 🇸🇪 And in Lithuania people are scared, since there are so many russian soldiers in Belarus, their neighbour, now. The purpose is potentially fourfold. 1. First and foremost Putin gets to portray himself as a tough leader at home, standing up to NATO aggression on his borders (doesn't matter that he's the one doing the mobilising, that's not how it'll be being reported in Russia). 2. He places strain on the EU and NATO, seeking to create division and instability in the alliance, in much the same way he does when interfering in elections or gets a puppet state (Belarus) to shepherd immigrants across the border into the EU. 3. If he's very lucky, he gets Ukraine and Belarus back as puppet states which provide a nice buffer on pretty much the entirety of his western border, and can then directly agitate on the EU's eastern border. 4. He reduces the likelihood of Ukraine joining NATO and possibly the EU. I suspect he'll settle for 1, 2 and 4 for now. |
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 24, 2022 22:05:40 GMT
Putin needs to quit watching so much Military channel and itching to play with his new toys.
He likely is starting the process of gradually biting off pieces of surrounding countries as a "buffer zone" to keep the NATO cooties at bay.
He will prod repeatedly to see what he can get away with.
Only problem is that with each prod, innocent people end up dead and there's that whole risk of creating world-chaos thing.
Agree with the scary.
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Post by musik on Jan 27, 2022 13:22:32 GMT
Any news?
I had a bad dream. Don't remember it though.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 27, 2022 14:53:29 GMT
Any news? I had a bad dream. Don't remember it though. How do you know it was bad if you don’t remember it? |
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Post by musik on Jan 27, 2022 18:31:38 GMT
Any news? I had a bad dream. Don't remember it though. How do you know it was bad if you don’t remember it? I have forgotten it. People forget most dreams quickly. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 27, 2022 18:34:24 GMT
Any news? I had a bad dream. Don't remember it though. How do you know it was bad if you don’t remember it? There was a wet patch on his duvet👀 |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 27, 2022 18:45:08 GMT
How do you know it was bad if you don’t remember it? There was a wet patch on his duvet👀 I think that’s what’s known as a wet dream. I guess it depends on the source of the wetness though. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 27, 2022 18:49:28 GMT
There was a wet patch on his duvet👀 I think that’s what’s known as a wet dream. I guess it depends on the source of the wetness though. The source of wetness 🤢 |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 27, 2022 20:11:39 GMT
I think that’s what’s known as a wet dream. I guess it depends on the source of the wetness though. The source of wetness 🤢 Not something you want to dwell on! |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 27, 2022 20:15:49 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 27, 2022 20:16:53 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 31, 2022 21:20:32 GMT
Just watching netflix Edge of War. Let's hope Hitlers invasion of Czech Republic isn't replicated by Putin invading Ukraine!!
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Post by klingon on Jan 31, 2022 21:58:48 GMT
The may see a golden window of opportunity now that “Lavish Liz” is isolating with COVID.
Those tanks don’t drive themselves y’know…..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 2, 2022 14:36:41 GMT
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Post by teenagefanclub on Feb 2, 2022 15:36:52 GMT
I think behind the scenes the secret leaders in USA want it to happen, so they can sell more tankers of gas at inflated prices to Europe as they are currently doing.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 2, 2022 15:44:57 GMT
Getting pissed of with the West and media hyping this up. Shut the fuck up. By all means we respond if Russia invade, but until then just stay out of it and cut out the Covid esc scare stories.
The last thing the West needs is a war effort led by Boris, Biden and Von Der Liar. That would end terribly for us.
Anyone would think Boris and Biden want a war to distract from their domestic incompetence.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 7, 2022 0:13:27 GMT
Think Macron is a total cunt but this is promising news if true. Listen to Russia's concerns, negotiate a sensible way forward that suits both countries and allow the great people of Ukraine to get on with their life in a democratic, free society. Its also become pretty obvious that Ukraine will not roll over. They would cause serious damage to Russian forces and are ready to fight - Which they weren't in 2014. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60281863 |
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 7, 2022 2:20:34 GMT
Think Macron is a total cunt but this is promising news if true. Listen to Russia's concerns, negotiate a sensible way forward that suits both countries and allow the great people of Ukraine to get on with their life in a democratic, free society. Its also become pretty obvious that Ukraine will not roll over. They would cause serious damage to Russian forces and are ready to fight - Which they weren't in 2014. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60281863When is the next French presidential election happening? Oh yes, April. Time for some high profile international diplomacy. Always works a treat when things ain’t going so well on the home front. I trust this bout of diplomacy as much as I trust Putin. Still, who knows, Putin may have realised he’s bitten off more than he can chew and is looking for an exit. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 7, 2022 18:12:48 GMT
Odds of 2/9 on to win the forthcoming election would suggest things aren't going too badly at home...
I suspect Macron, who has been a vocal advocate of a European defence force and for Europe to be able to sort out its own issues without relying on the US, is keen to be seen to be presenting arguments for such outcomes.
Better him than the bumbling fool at the head of our government trying to sort this out. He'd most likely come back waving a piece of paper and burbling about a fantastic deal and peace in our time.
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Post by Jimmyg on Feb 7, 2022 18:42:58 GMT
It's a collaboration by the west and Russia to overthrow Ukraine, take what they want, push the people into poverty basically a repeat performance of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc, then pipe the gas from Russia incurring limed costs and taxes to the European market. It makes perfect business sense.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 10, 2022 18:06:46 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 10, 2022 18:39:47 GMT
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