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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2022 8:44:58 GMT
Starmer is normal. Very normal. Very Very normal. Too normal apparently. Inspires nobody is the problem - he also seems to be occupying some sort of middle nothing ground currently. Needs to start spelling out his vision for the country more effectively if Labour are to have any chance in 2 years time. I'm no fan of his but he hasn't needed to up until now has he? And then there's the 'not interrupting the enemy when they're screwing things up spectacularly' thing to consider.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 7, 2022 8:45:59 GMT
Still think those who are not tarnished by defending Johnson's scummy behaviour are in a good place. So that's Hunt and Tugenhadt? Mourdant has played a good game because despite being complicit by staying in his cabinet I can't ever remember her going out to defend the indefensible certainly not in the way a few of the idiotic other front runners have.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 7, 2022 8:52:04 GMT
Any of Hunt,Tugenhadt, Mourdant, Wallace and the Tories will be leading the polls by spring.
Any of the others and they could have a problem.
Will all depend on the hardline element of the party who often pull the strings I guess......
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 7, 2022 9:54:38 GMT
Starmer is normal. Very normal. Very Very normal. Too normal apparently. Inspires nobody is the problem - he also seems to be occupying some sort of middle nothing ground currently. Needs to start spelling out his vision for the country more effectively if Labour are to have any chance in 2 years time. I think he is slowly beginning to set out his vision - we know their aims for Brexit, they've talked about pretty substantial investment in car battery factories, their windfall tax on energy companies has already been implemented by the government, and it seems they are heading toward supporting an elected chamber to replace the House of Lords. Whether you or I agree with it is a different thing of course, but they are beginning to show it. I reckon 2 to 2.5 years before an election is the right time to being that process.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 7, 2022 9:57:13 GMT
Starmer is normal. Very normal. Very Very normal. Too normal apparently. Inspires nobody is the problem - he also seems to be occupying some sort of middle nothing ground currently. Needs to start spelling out his vision for the country more effectively if Labour are to have any chance in 2 years time. Starmer has unfortunately kept too quiet. Covid cost him two decent years of opposition so now he’s still seen as the grey man. Plus labour have not really taken advantage of any Tory shit. Anything he does in the short term is only knock out blows to Boris so without much meaning. The new Tory leader has plenty of time to put the party in pole position to win again. If labour were smart they would put in a new team too.
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2022 10:18:21 GMT
Inspires nobody is the problem - he also seems to be occupying some sort of middle nothing ground currently. Needs to start spelling out his vision for the country more effectively if Labour are to have any chance in 2 years time. Starmer has unfortunately kept too quiet. Covid cost him two decent years of opposition so now he’s still seen as the grey man. Plus labour have not really taken advantage of any Tory shit. Anything he does in the short term is only knock out blows to Boris so without much meaning. The new Tory leader has plenty of time to put the party in pole position to win again. If labour were smart they would put in a new team too. I don't think they have a new team, most of the articulate and broadly sane centre ground Labour spokespeople debunked when Corbyn was at the wheel.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2022 10:28:49 GMT
Starmer has unfortunately kept too quiet. Covid cost him two decent years of opposition so now he’s still seen as the grey man. Plus labour have not really taken advantage of any Tory shit. Anything he does in the short term is only knock out blows to Boris so without much meaning. The new Tory leader has plenty of time to put the party in pole position to win again. If labour were smart they would put in a new team too. I don't think they have a new team, most of the articulate and broadly sane centre ground Labour spokespeople debunked when Corbyn was at the wheel. Given the way public life is going at the moment, I'd not be surprised if Starmer and Rayner get FPNs and we have new leaders of both main parties in due course! I was impressed with Nandy recently, so it'd be interesting to see her up against a new Tory leader.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 7, 2022 10:41:52 GMT
This Yougov thread is interesting.
Seems if Wallace can get on the ballot he may well be the man
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Post by franklin on Jul 7, 2022 10:45:43 GMT
Who ever it is will be a boring clone ill miss Boris and his bumbling ways.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 7, 2022 11:03:14 GMT
This Yougov thread is interesting. Seems if Wallace can get on the ballot he may well be the man Probably best if Wallace gets the gig. He'll send troops into Ukraine and when Putin presses the big red button we can all escape this shit show for good
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 7, 2022 11:46:44 GMT
Looks like Wallace is the favourite. He seems a better option than most as he’s not one of these high profile pantomime characters.
I think all most people want is a safe pair of hands and someone that they can respect and relate too regardless of what party they’re from.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 7, 2022 11:56:47 GMT
Looks like Wallace is the favourite. He seems a better option than most as he’s not one of these high profile pantomime characters. I think all most people want is a safe pair of hands and someone that they can respect and relate too regardless of what party they’re from. The favourite almost always fails to get the job.
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Post by franklin on Jul 7, 2022 11:57:59 GMT
I'd give it to Mogg 🙂
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2022 12:00:01 GMT
Looks like Wallace is the favourite. He seems a better option than most as he’s not one of these high profile pantomime characters. I think all most people want is a safe pair of hands and someone that they can respect and relate too regardless of what party they’re from. The favourite almost always fails to get the job. None of the above is a strong candidate by the looks of it.
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Post by Northy on Jul 7, 2022 12:06:26 GMT
Inspires nobody is the problem - he also seems to be occupying some sort of middle nothing ground currently. Needs to start spelling out his vision for the country more effectively if Labour are to have any chance in 2 years time. I'm no fan of his but he hasn't needed to up until now has he? And then there's the 'not interrupting the enemy when they're screwing things up spectacularly' thing to consider. He'll always be tagged with being the DoPP when the grooming scandals were happening and did nothing, that will haunt him in many labour areas.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 7, 2022 12:14:04 GMT
I think the more interesting thing will be not so much who gets the job at #10, but whether the Tories will look to find a way to change the culture of #10.
Meaning whoever is appointed PM will have to commit to being more collegiate and less presidential in how they do the job. I reckon it was Blair (with Campbell) who created the Presidential PM approach which continued through Brown and Cameron but was expanded by May and then hugely by Johnson.
Today, far too much power resides in political leaders and their humongous retinue of SpAds (the growth industry of the 21st century) and not enough in the official organs of government.
This would be a good time to correct that situation.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2022 12:19:31 GMT
I'm no fan of his but he hasn't needed to up until now has he? And then there's the 'not interrupting the enemy when they're screwing things up spectacularly' thing to consider. He'll always be tagged with being the DoPP when the grooming scandals were happening and did nothing, that will haunt him in many labour areas. Probably, up against that tho is the fact that any Tory is going to be tainted with the suspicion of widespread corruption for a long while yet. I won't be voting for either of them.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 7, 2022 12:52:32 GMT
Looks like Wallace is the favourite. He seems a better option than most as he’s not one of these high profile pantomime characters. I think all most people want is a safe pair of hands and someone that they can respect and relate too regardless of what party they’re from. His voting and comments seem to suggest he was a Remainer, but respected the outcome. Interesting to see how he would act if he did get the job. I think a candidates position on Brexit will have an influence on who gets the job one way or another.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 7, 2022 13:23:06 GMT
This Yougov thread is interesting. Seems if Wallace can get on the ballot he may well be the man Probably best if Wallace gets the gig. He'll send troops into Ukraine and when Putin presses the big red button we can all escape this shit show for good Judging by that poll, if ‘none of the above’ could convert a few ‘don’t knows’ to their cause, I think they’d be in with a fair shout.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 7, 2022 13:49:06 GMT
It wouldn’t surprise me if the candidates our fewer than people believe Quickly driven down to two And the least favoured candidate suddenly stands down No longer a contest no two month’s running round the country
New prime minster in place before august solves the boris problem nicely
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 7, 2022 14:00:31 GMT
Has march suggested TP for the job yet?
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Post by lordb on Jul 7, 2022 14:07:36 GMT
Raab has announced he won't be standing, which both pleases & surprises me
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Post by redstriper on Jul 7, 2022 14:26:42 GMT
The tory party can be guaranteed to pick the wrong candidate, even when its down to the last two. They have done so in every election they've held since before Cameron. I'd like to see David Davies take temporary charge in the meantime and bring some sanity, graft, humbleness and gravitas back to the role. God knows we are in a fucking mess, worse than at any point since 1940, and cant afford 10 weeks of bluster and politicking. As for Boris, if he mentions once more about HIS 14 million mandate he needs a good kicking, as many of us voted for the party despite him, not because of him. - his arrogance knows no bounds..
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Post by foster on Jul 7, 2022 14:35:31 GMT
Raab has announced he won't be standing, which both pleases & surprises me Hardly surprised after his previous car crash morning interviews. Doesn't even know the meaning of the word 'guilty'.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 7, 2022 14:44:12 GMT
Looks like Wallace is the favourite. He seems a better option than most as he’s not one of these high profile pantomime characters. I think all most people want is a safe pair of hands and someone that they can respect and relate too regardless of what party they’re from. The favourite almost always fails to get the job. Gove will be lining up behind him… with a knife…
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Post by Veritas on Jul 7, 2022 14:47:32 GMT
Raab has announced he won't be standing, which both pleases & surprises me This at least removes any objection to him taking over from Johnson tomorrow as caretaker exactly as he did when Johnson was hospitalised.
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Post by lordb on Jul 7, 2022 15:30:39 GMT
Raab has announced he won't be standing, which both pleases & surprises me Hardly surprised after his previous car crash morning interviews. Doesn't even know the meaning of the word 'guilty'. I'm only surprised because I thought he was too ignorant of how own stupidly to not stand
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Post by superjw on Jul 7, 2022 16:05:43 GMT
Raab has announced he won't be standing, which both pleases & surprises me Which obviously means he will be standing...
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Post by AlliG on Jul 7, 2022 16:23:47 GMT
I'd like an adult.
In fact I would probably settle for anyone whose role model isn't the character played by Robin Askwith in all those early 1970s sex comedies.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 7, 2022 16:25:27 GMT
I'd like an adult. In fact I would probably settle for anyone whose role model isn't the character played by Robin Askwith in all those early 1970s sex comedies. Mogg it is then He’s s bless him still in the 1870s
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