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Post by yeswilko on Feb 3, 2022 21:12:28 GMT
What's disgusting is you defending that scumbag Sunak when he let 3 million workers rot. You really are unbelievable. What is disgusting is the collective labelling of around 180 thousand people as c***s just because there members of a political party you seem to disagree with Or are you extending it to people that voted for them as well Can you post where I’ve defended sunak I'm not the one who said it,But if they were referring to the government I'm in agreement that they are incredibly c**tish. You've been all over Sunak like a cheap suit duck. He's a banker's dream and an absolute scumbag to the working people.
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 3, 2022 21:19:40 GMT
What's disgusting is you defending that scumbag Sunak when he let 3 million workers rot. You really are unbelievable. Where have they rotted away to then? Absolute nonsense What a shame, oh well never mind... etc etc 🥱
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 3, 2022 21:27:08 GMT
Where have they rotted away to then? Absolute nonsense What a shame, oh well never mind... etc etc 🥱 You’re learning…….. slowly
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 3, 2022 22:00:05 GMT
Small businesses where the owners were directors instead of being self employed received no (or very little) help. I think that's the 3 million people he is referring to.
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 3, 2022 23:48:14 GMT
A couple of my mates who happen to be self employed also got the help they needed It seems to me that many of the ones that seemed to get no help had spent years avoiding or paying as little tax as possible Though I’m sure there were people who deserved help that didn’t get it If you had only recently set up as self employed when they told you that you couldn't work, you didn't have years of tax returns to show. Can't you get your head around that? I'm sure its been pointed out to you before that there's many reasons people were denied government help. Labelling them as tax dodgers is vile. My son was in exactly this situation. Only set up his own business months before this kicked off, couldn't claim jackshit. wife was furloughed, 2 kids to look after yet this Goverment wouldn't, not couldn't, help them. A disgrace.
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 4, 2022 6:56:31 GMT
If you had only recently set up as self employed when they told you that you couldn't work, you didn't have years of tax returns to show. Can't you get your head around that? I'm sure its been pointed out to you before that there's many reasons people were denied government help. Labelling them as tax dodgers is vile. My son was in exactly this situation. Only set up his own business months before this kicked off, couldn't claim jackshit. wife was furloughed, 2 kids to look after yet this Goverment wouldn't, not couldn't, help them. A disgrace. No one should have been left in that position through no fault of their own mate. Some people talk like Sunak was handing out his own money.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 4, 2022 7:28:58 GMT
Sunak is a fucking snake. He purposefully left 3m self-employed to rot during the pandemic. He's just said we're all getting a £200 rebate to cope with high energy costs (it's not, we have to pay it back, it's a loan). Shell also announced today they have quadrupled profits to £19bn+ in the last year, and we, the taxpayer, have paid Shell (the company has paid zero corporation tax in years) £13bn+ in grants since 2015. The govt also voted through to cut millionaires tax last night, from 8% to 3% after £25m He was a pivotal part of the 2008 crash, he's filled his own boots, and hid friends during the pandemic, and now he's got the cheek to want to be PM??? Fuck him off asap!!! The tories will not help us, they only help themselves. You seem to have a weird obsession with making stuff up Sunak and his wife what is it that triggers you so much I wonder. Any links to these claims of £13 billion grants received because I suspect its bollocks from someone who doesn't understand many things. Company I am at "receives" grants for r&d expenditure, if it meets qualifying rules you can make claims for stuff like costs of developing new products including employing staff, it comes through firstly as a reduction in tax paid and if its more than that you get a refund so with all the green energy bollocks I'd be surprised if shell aren't spending significant amounts and hence they reduce corporation tax payments, this is essentially investment that not only employs people directly and indirectly thus generating paye, ni and vat it also increases future profits and so corp tax increases in the future. you seem to have a weird obsession with defending the tories. what part of mine don't you believe? 3m self-employed left to rot? the 'rebate'? shell announcing quadrupled profits? The vote to cut tax for millionaires? That he was part of a hedgefund that was instrumental in the 2008 crash? The fact that shell pay no corporation tax? I know how research and development works, thank you. I understand expenditure and what is a genuine tax deductable item. Do your own research. We have given billions in grants to shell. "i suspect its bollocks from someone who doesn't understand many things" - patronising twat. Fuck off.
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 4, 2022 7:37:32 GMT
No one should have been left in that position through no fault of their own mate. Some people talk like Sunak was handing out his own money. A woman I know was also in that position. She went out and got a job. Yes… there were places still recruiting during lockdown. Brilliant 👏 the self employed workers arent some sort of second class citizens who should beg or stack shelves to put food on the table whilst half the country is sitting in the garden drinking gin. They were overlooked and in many cases totally shafted. All the billions wasted as well..
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 4, 2022 7:46:38 GMT
Brilliant 👏 the self employed workers arent some sort of second class citizens who should beg or stack shelves to put food on the table whilst half the country is sitting in the garden drinking gin. They were overlooked and in many cases totally shafted. All the billions wasted as well.. Have you got something against people who stack shelves who you class as second class citizens. You think you are superior to them? No not at all, but they were forced to work when others were paid to sit at home. Some people were deemed worthy of furlough and others weren't... what do you want to call it?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 4, 2022 7:50:23 GMT
Sunak also put the north on reduced furlough with no business support during the regional lock downs. Then after the south went into lockdown for a mere two weeks he started filling out the cash.
We then have his recent energy policy where he’s taking money from the rest of the country and giving it to London.
If you live in London you should hope for Sunak otherwise I think you might want someone else.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2022 7:50:40 GMT
Have you got something against people who stack shelves who you class as second class citizens. You think you are superior to them? No not at all, but they were forced to work when others were paid to sit at home. I know plenty of people who were paid to sit at home who hated the experience.
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 4, 2022 7:52:11 GMT
No not at all, but they were forced to work when others were paid to sit at home. I know plenty of people who were paid to sit at home who hated the experience. Should have just quit and gone out and got another job then..
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2022 7:56:37 GMT
I know plenty of people who were paid to sit at home who hated the experience. Should have just quit and gone out and got another job then.. That’s one solution. But, folk, I suppose, might have enjoyed their jobs and wanted to go back to them, or liked the relative security for longer term prospects with their existing employer. So, it’s a bit more complicated than you might appreciate.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 4, 2022 8:04:02 GMT
A woman I know was also in that position. She went out and got a job. Yes… there were places still recruiting during lockdown. Brilliant 👏 the self employed workers arent some sort of second class citizens who should beg or stack shelves to put food on the table whilst half the country is sitting in the garden drinking gin. They were overlooked and in many cases totally shafted. All the billions wasted as well.. To those effected they may remember he’s prone to a few lies too. He’d get up and say that the 3m were entitled to universal credits which was absolute nonsense. My wife was one of the 3m and tried to go through universal credit which meant I had to. It lead to many hour long calls where they where they were absolutely useless. This was at a time I was trying to change my business to evolve with the situation. He is a complete scum bag.
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 4, 2022 8:10:29 GMT
Should have just quit and gone out and got another job then.. That’s one solution. But, folk, I suppose, might have enjoyed their jobs and wanted to go back to them, or liked the relative security for longer term prospects with their existing employer. So, it’s a bit more complicated than you might appreciate. I do appreciate that, but bizarrely you don't give the same appreciation to others.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 4, 2022 8:31:59 GMT
That’s one solution. But, folk, I suppose, might have enjoyed their jobs and wanted to go back to them, or liked the relative security for longer term prospects with their existing employer. So, it’s a bit more complicated than you might appreciate. I do appreciate that, but bizarrely you don't give the same appreciation to others. Not at all. I have huge sympathy with the varied and difficult situations people faced.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 5, 2022 10:26:28 GMT
You seem to have a weird obsession with making stuff up Sunak and his wife what is it that triggers you so much I wonder. Any links to these claims of £13 billion grants received because I suspect its bollocks from someone who doesn't understand many things. Company I am at "receives" grants for r&d expenditure, if it meets qualifying rules you can make claims for stuff like costs of developing new products including employing staff, it comes through firstly as a reduction in tax paid and if its more than that you get a refund so with all the green energy bollocks I'd be surprised if shell aren't spending significant amounts and hence they reduce corporation tax payments, this is essentially investment that not only employs people directly and indirectly thus generating paye, ni and vat it also increases future profits and so corp tax increases in the future. you seem to have a weird obsession with defending the tories. what part of mine don't you believe? 3m self-employed left to rot? the 'rebate'? shell announcing quadrupled profits? The vote to cut tax for millionaires? That he was part of a hedgefund that was instrumental in the 2008 crash? The fact that shell pay no corporation tax? I know how research and development works, thank you. I understand expenditure and what is a genuine tax deductable item. Do your own research. We have given billions in grants to shell. "i suspect its bollocks from someone who doesn't understand many things" - patronising twat. Fuck off. Ok it was Dave on facebook was your source re Shell, like I said the r&d grant is essentially a tax credit but in the accounts it is reported as grant income understandable dave might not understand but someone with such a thorough understanding of tax as yourself it's a bit strange, almost as strange as you not mentioning Shell made losses in 2020 higher than 2021 profits do you reckon that might also be a tiny bit relevant, you know all those unused capital allowances carried forward to reduce next years tax and stuff like that I am surprised your expert analysis of the tax notes in their accounts missed it unless...... Previously you posted some bollocks about sunaks wife getting furlough funds and then liquidating the company when I asked hoe it was her company with a 5% shareholding you had fuck all to say.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 6, 2022 9:06:31 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 6, 2022 10:50:49 GMT
As someone who rented for quite a few years in London, I only had bills included once and in that instance it was all bills just seems a bit of a weird complaint, if he cut vat then everyone gets a cut including the queen so whichever way its done someone will claim unfairness. I also know a couple of people who rent places out, none of them include bills because it's enough of a nightmare to get just the rent from the occasional bad tenant nevermind trying to evict them.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 6, 2022 11:43:15 GMT
As someone who rented for quite a few years in London, I only had bills included once and in that instance it was all bills just seems a bit of a weird complaint, if he cut vat then everyone gets a cut including the queen so whichever way its done someone will claim unfairness. I also know a couple of people who rent places out, none of them include bills because it's enough of a nightmare to get just the rent from the occasional bad tenant nevermind trying to evict them. And it’s impossible for him to scale the size of that problem for giving money to landlords vs tenants so it’s difficult to blame him for that. The bit I struggle to understand is he’s taking money off people outside of London and giving it to them the same week they published the levelling up agenda. People with 500k plus properties in London get help from people with 300k properties outside of London.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 6, 2022 12:19:38 GMT
As someone who rented for quite a few years in London, I only had bills included once and in that instance it was all bills just seems a bit of a weird complaint, if he cut vat then everyone gets a cut including the queen so whichever way its done someone will claim unfairness. I also know a couple of people who rent places out, none of them include bills because it's enough of a nightmare to get just the rent from the occasional bad tenant nevermind trying to evict them. And it’s impossible for him to scale the size of that problem for giving money to landlords vs tenants so it’s difficult to blame him for that. The bit I struggle to understand is he’s taking money off people outside of London and giving it to them the same week they published the levelling up agenda. People with 500k plus properties in London get help from people with 300k properties outside of London. To preempt the next point. The alternative would be to increase the level with which people pay tax by 900£ and increase universal credit for those that don’t benefit from the tax break by the same amount. I think looking at the problem as an energy issue isn’t looking at it properly, the cost of energy effects everything so subsidising household energy costs feels like an unnecessary constraint to put on the policy. I know it won’t help landlords or people who just earn through dividends out so it’s not something you’ll see Sunak do.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 6, 2022 15:07:23 GMT
As someone who rented for quite a few years in London, I only had bills included once and in that instance it was all bills just seems a bit of a weird complaint, if he cut vat then everyone gets a cut including the queen so whichever way its done someone will claim unfairness. I also know a couple of people who rent places out, none of them include bills because it's enough of a nightmare to get just the rent from the occasional bad tenant nevermind trying to evict them. And it’s impossible for him to scale the size of that problem for giving money to landlords vs tenants so it’s difficult to blame him for that. The bit I struggle to understand is he’s taking money off people outside of London and giving it to them the same week they published the levelling up agenda. People with 500k plus properties in London get help from people with 300k properties outside of London. A 500k house around london is nothing special, my first next door neighbour 15 years ago was an old lady who bought her house new in the 1960s for £10k or something daft, it was worth many times that then yet she had to get her gas and electricity metered because she only had her pension as income. So I guess my point is there is no easy way to target help, you mention UC in another post I wouldn't be against raising that but then you'd need to do something about the thresholds it reduces at for people working otherwise its a disincentive for them.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 6, 2022 15:15:54 GMT
Small businesses where the owners were directors instead of being self employed received no (or very little) help. I think that's the 3 million people he is referring to. They got their salary furloughed, no?
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 6, 2022 16:27:00 GMT
Small businesses where the owners were directors instead of being self employed received no (or very little) help. I think that's the 3 million people he is referring to. They got their salary furloughed, no? No, their staff may have been supported, but the directors were not.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 6, 2022 16:33:36 GMT
Small businesses where the owners were directors instead of being self employed received no (or very little) help. I think that's the 3 million people he is referring to. They got their salary furloughed, no? I'm someone in that situation (director of a small business), we don't get paid salaries, we pay ourselves in dividends out of profits, so no furlough money. My business supplies the hospitality sector, who were helped a lot, but as a supplier we weren't helped at all, even though our customers were shut. I have been working unpaid for two years. However, i'm not moaning personally, i'm quite content that i didn't seek government handouts that i could manage without. What i am moaning about is all the money that's been lost to fraud and people who claimed but didn't need. But now my taxes will go up just the same, cheats have prospered, that sucks.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Feb 6, 2022 17:53:16 GMT
And it’s impossible for him to scale the size of that problem for giving money to landlords vs tenants so it’s difficult to blame him for that. The bit I struggle to understand is he’s taking money off people outside of London and giving it to them the same week they published the levelling up agenda. People with 500k plus properties in London get help from people with 300k properties outside of London. A 500k house around london is nothing special, my first next door neighbour 15 years ago was an old lady who bought her house new in the 1960s for £10k or something daft, it was worth many times that then yet she had to get her gas and electricity metered because she only had her pension as income. So I guess my point is there is no easy way to target help, you mention UC in another post I wouldn't be against raising that but then you'd need to do something about the thresholds it reduces at for people working otherwise its a disincentive for them. The example I posted was a flat in Westminster and I hear your point it’s just we get ministers on Tv regularly saying they’re not focussed on the South East. When they’re choosing where to dump the funds it still tends to be in the same area, and in this case subsidised by people outside of London.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 6, 2022 15:56:11 GMT
Well it’s only a matter of time before the bumbling fool is either stabbed in the back or falls on his sword So who are the runners for the top job and who would you like Sunak : seems so far to have had a good covid period Truss : god help us Hunt : would I think seem popular with the country Baker : slowly going around building support from the right would guarantee a hard brexit stance probably to hard for most MPs My possible outside choice Johnny mercer a ex young army officer resigned on principle before Would I think appeal to the red wall I would of course like David Davis but his age and previous attempts would rule him out We’ll time to resurrect this thread Who’s your runners and riders in the forthcoming contest
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Post by werrington on Jul 6, 2022 16:29:33 GMT
Well it’s only a matter of time before the bumbling fool is either stabbed in the back or falls on his sword So who are the runners for the top job and who would you like Sunak : seems so far to have had a good covid period Truss : god help us Hunt : would I think seem popular with the country Baker : slowly going around building support from the right would guarantee a hard brexit stance probably to hard for most MPs My possible outside choice Johnny mercer a ex young army officer resigned on principle before Would I think appeal to the red wall I would of course like David Davis but his age and previous attempts would rule him out We’ll time to resurrect this thread Who’s your runners and riders in the forthcoming contest None of the shameless cunts None of them have resigned out of some sort of moral stance as they would of done that at any given time over the last 2 years They’ve resigned as they see a chance to further their careers the fucking hypocrites
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 6, 2022 16:33:06 GMT
We’ll time to resurrect this thread Who’s your runners and riders in the forthcoming contest None of the shameless cunts None of them have resigned out of some sort of moral stance as they would of done that at any given time over the last 2 years They’ve resigned as they see a chance to further their careers the fucking hypocrites There potentially lies the problem one of the will be our next prime minister
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 6, 2022 17:00:00 GMT
They should offer it to Keir Starmer.
He’s more of a Tory than Johnson.
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