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Post by andystokey on Sept 5, 2022 15:42:56 GMT
Anymore than 144k Tory members have any representative opinion of what is good for 47 million people who are the real electorate. Most people don't share lefty wokey views I'm asking a serious question about lack of representation and you reach for the woke dog whistle. It's irrelevant. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 5, 2022 15:43:43 GMT
Anymore than 144k Tory members have any representative opinion of what is good for 47 million people who are the real electorate. Most people don't share lefty wokey views You have an extremely limited vocabulary don't you. |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 5, 2022 15:47:06 GMT
And not for anything that she's done but what she's associated with which is surely why she'll stick it out for the two years before calling a general election. I know that there is a section of society that still love Boris but is there is also a section willing to boo Truss for her associations with him. Not sure she'll even get the chance mate ... "Twelve Conservative MPs disgruntled with the candidates for the party leadership are planning to submit letters of no confidence in the Liz Truss as early as this week." I think we could be heading for a fight with the Treasury, where ideas meet reality. It'll be interesting to see what the party do if she can't deliver on her promises. It could galvanise them against the traditional institutions or it might make them turn on her. I have no idea how this is going to play out although I can't see her winning a general election. |
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Post by andystokey on Sept 5, 2022 15:49:59 GMT
Most people don't share lefty wokey views You have an extremely limited vocabulary don't you. This is why the Daily Mail are furious with the Sunday show because a "woke" comedian dared point out the Emporer isn't wearing any clothes. The whole facade is ridiculous. The label applied to any opinion someone chooses not to agree with. One may as well just use the word cunt and be done with it. |
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Post by henry on Sept 5, 2022 15:58:38 GMT
Are you contesting that it's not needed as a skill or that the ability to learn isn't something that is needed as a PM?... or something else? Being silky smooth when talking wouldn't be high up on my list. After all, Johnson was an entertainer. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 16:04:27 GMT
Most people don't share lefty wokey views You have an extremely limited vocabulary don't you. Still more than yours though |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 16:04:51 GMT
Most people don't share lefty wokey views I'm asking a serious question about lack of representation and you reach for the woke dog whistle. It's irrelevant. Its true though |
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Post by Kpsje on Sept 5, 2022 16:07:09 GMT
wonderful speech by liz. having listened carefully to what she has to say, i’ll definitely vote conservative at the next general election. hopefully, ‘plankton brain’ will see the light and join me. (cheeky winky grinny thingy) Really? It's an achievement to elect someone less charismatic than Starmer, but I think they've managed it! Could she be more boring and, frankly, just plain weird... www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-62795283Bit of buffering going on at 3:50...she even forgot what she was supposed to be "delivering for" oh yes, the country. Understandable mistake! i’ll hold my hands up, bluers. at work and didn’t get a chance to hear liz’s ‘so called’ wonderful speech  however, i’m sure it was still more engaging and captivating than any of sir keith’s tedious orations… (smiley face) |
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Post by andystokey on Sept 5, 2022 16:08:39 GMT
I'm asking a serious question about lack of representation and you reach for the woke dog whistle. It's irrelevant. Its true though You speak for me and 47M people my friend, I applaud your insight 👏 we need more of this. |
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Post by Kpsje on Sept 5, 2022 16:09:06 GMT
me too - and this young lady  |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 5, 2022 16:09:15 GMT
If she or her team thought the majority of UK voters were behind her she'd call a general election to bag a couple of extra years and tell some of the Mps that aren't behind her to pipe down. True . But I reckon they'd be behind her more than Starmer Traditionally the Tories do well out of the first past the post setup, I think if there were a general election tomorrow she'd lose. I also think that if she waits for two years the loss will be worse. She has been given the biggest hospital pass going, we're all talking about energy prices but the problem of inflation is massive, inflation can bring an economy to its knees. We've not seen any policy in this country curb inflation and the best way to stop inflation is to stop spending which kills growth and causes a recession. Her only hope is to do less bad as our neighbours and sell that but she wants to improve growth two years after introducing trade barriers. It's nearly an impossible job and she's got no charisma to spin it and will be accused of causing it because she's been in government all this time. She would probably say this is defeatism but these are facts. |
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 5, 2022 16:18:13 GMT
Maybe Starmer should also be criticised then? Hes as dull as dishwater and makes you fall asleep? Starmer isn't great but he's significantly better at public speaking than Truss and I think there is actually and upward trend for Starmer. Starmer has always been methodical with his speeches, as you’d expect from a lawyer. The problem is he also sounds like one when he delivers them. If he had the boldness of Blair or Johnson himself, he’d blow the opposition away. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2022 16:22:25 GMT
I'm asking a serious question about lack of representation and you reach for the woke dog whistle. It's irrelevant. Its true though This may come as a shock but most people dont vote for whatever version of Conservatism we are currently enduring either. It will take you about 10 (no, probably 20) minutes to educate yourself on proportional representation and you could engage on a much deeper level than simply, 'your Mum'. You'd even still he able to bang the 'wokey, lefty snowflake' nonsense drum but just on an almost adult level. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 5, 2022 16:23:56 GMT
You have an extremely limited vocabulary don't you. Still more than yours though Demonstrate that then with some semblance of an argument |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2022 16:24:05 GMT
Starmer isn't great but he's significantly better at public speaking than Truss and I think there is actually and upward trend for Starmer. Starmer has always been methodical with his speeches, as you’d expect from a lawyer. The problem is he also sounds like one when he delivers them. If he had the boldness of Blair or Johnson himself, he’d blow the opposition away. I think he's improving as an orator, actually. He's mind-numbingly dull most of the time and that's just the way I like it for someone who aspiration is to lead the nation. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 16:30:21 GMT
You speak for me and 47M people my friend, I applaud your insight 👏 we need more of this. I spreak for more Brits than you do |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 16:31:12 GMT
True . But I reckon they'd be behind her more than Starmer Traditionally the Tories do well out of the first past the post setup, I think if there were a general election tomorrow she'd lose. I also think that if she waits for two years the loss will be worse. She has been given the biggest hospital pass going, we're all talking about energy prices but the problem of inflation is massive, inflation can bring an economy to its knees. We've not seen any policy in this country curb inflation and the best way to stop inflation is to stop spending which kills growth and causes a recession. Her only hope is to do less bad as our neighbours and sell that but she wants to improve growth two years after introducing trade barriers. It's nearly an impossible job and she's got no charisma to spin it and will be accused of causing it because she's been in government all this time. She would probably say this is defeatism but these are facts. I think she'd win tbh considering the opposition |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 16:32:05 GMT
This may come as a shock but most people dont vote for whatever version of Conservatism we are currently enduring either. It will take you about 10 (no, probably 20) minutes to educate yourself on proportional representation and you could engage on a much deeper level than simply, 'your Mum'. You'd even still he able to bang the 'wokey, lefty snowflake' nonsense drum but just on an almost adult level. I agree . But we don't adhere to your wokey views neither. Have that |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2022 16:34:53 GMT
This may come as a shock but most people dont vote for whatever version of Conservatism we are currently enduring either. It will take you about 10 (no, probably 20) minutes to educate yourself on proportional representation and you could engage on a much deeper level than simply, 'your Mum'. You'd even still he able to bang the 'wokey, lefty snowflake' nonsense drum but just on an almost adult level. I agree . But we don't adhere to your wokey views neither. Have that Oh no. Am I a wokey, too? 😅 Whatever you do, don't tell Prestwich and I suppose I'll have to get upset with Joe Lycett now as well, damn. |
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 5, 2022 16:37:21 GMT
Anyway back to the racist Tories.
43% voted for Dishy Rishy.
We can therefore conclude that 57% of Tories are racist, 43% hate women and 100% are cunts.
Well, I think that’s how the logic works in the land of plankton brains.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 5, 2022 16:38:35 GMT
You speak for me and 47M people my friend, I applaud your insight 👏 we need more of this. I spreak for more Brits than you do 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I look forward to you burning down the Reichstag my friend. That's nearly as brilliant as Miss Trust yesterday suggesting that removal of the NI increase was fair because it targetted the rich more than the poor. Bravo 👏 👏 👏 |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 5, 2022 17:02:28 GMT
This may come as a shock but most people dont vote for whatever version of Conservatism we are currently enduring either. It will take you about 10 (no, probably 20) minutes to educate yourself on proportional representation and you could engage on a much deeper level than simply, 'your Mum'. You'd even still he able to bang the 'wokey, lefty snowflake' nonsense drum but just on an almost adult level. If you wouldn’t mind, please could you explain how proportional representation works? Like how it affects an election during or after the event? I can’t get my head round it. I understand that say if a party won 40% of the votes, perfect proportional representation would mean that they’d have 40% of the seats in parliament, but I don’t understand how that would be achievable, like who the 40% of the MPs would be? Other than by slicing the country into exactly the same population size pieces. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 5, 2022 17:05:57 GMT
Not sure she'll even get the chance mate ... "Twelve Conservative MPs disgruntled with the candidates for the party leadership are planning to submit letters of no confidence in the Liz Truss as early as this week." I think we could be heading for a fight with the Treasury, where ideas meet reality. It'll be interesting to see what the party do if she can't deliver on her promises. It could galvanise them against the traditional institutions or it might make them turn on her. I have no idea how this is going to play out although I can't see her winning a general election. There may be battles with the Treasury ahead but not with the Chancellor. Kwarteng and DizLiz are literally Coitus close! What a time be a rich fucker with this pair of trickle down twats. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 5, 2022 17:11:20 GMT
 Fabulous from CWS |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 17:13:14 GMT
Really? It's an achievement to elect someone less charismatic than Starmer, but I think they've managed it! Could she be more boring and, frankly, just plain weird... www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-62795283Bit of buffering going on at 3:50...she even forgot what she was supposed to be "delivering for" oh yes, the country. Understandable mistake! i’ll hold my hands up, bluers. at work and didn’t get a chance to hear liz’s ‘so called’ wonderful speech however, i’m sure it was still more engaging and captivating than any of sir keith’s tedious orations… (smiley face) It really wasn't, which is quite the achievement. Whereas Boris was always going to be more entertaining than Starmer, the Tories seem to have chosen someone even more charisma free! That said, I don't really care how entertaining they are. Do a good job is all that matters. We elected a clown and got a circus. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 5, 2022 17:15:51 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 17:19:58 GMT
The Iron Weathercock the French call her apparently.
Twists in the wind. Doesn't bode well.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 5, 2022 17:24:01 GMT
This may come as a shock but most people dont vote for whatever version of Conservatism we are currently enduring either. It will take you about 10 (no, probably 20) minutes to educate yourself on proportional representation and you could engage on a much deeper level than simply, 'your Mum'. You'd even still he able to bang the 'wokey, lefty snowflake' nonsense drum but just on an almost adult level. If you wouldn’t mind, please could you explain how proportional representation works? Like how it affects an election during or after the event? I can’t get my head round it. I understand that say if a party won 40% of the votes, perfect proportional representation would mean that they’d have 40% of the seats in parliament, but I don’t understand how that would be achievable, like who the 40% of the MPs would be? Other than by slicing the country into exactly the same population size pieces. You're not a million miles off in its purest terms. We currently have FPTP in (small) parliamentary constituencies that demands a singular majority winner. Which is why you will see regular examples of 33% vote share returning an MP for a specific party (or independent in some circumstances). Therefore in this example 66% of the votes cast did not go for the representative and in our current climate benefits the Conservative party due to the Lib/Lab split and latterly the Brexit Party diluting the vote. Proportional Representation demands a plurality or multiple winners. Realistically it would work on regions (could be nationally) as opposed to small individual constituencies with lists drawn up of representatives from each party. Then, based on the votes cast seats would be shared in proportion to thd percentage each party got. How the lists are determined goes off in different directions, party to decide, further public votes etc... Ironically, UKIP in 2015 would have benefitted massively from it where 4m votes returned 1 MP, wheres a proportional system would have been around 80. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281.ampUltimately, for those living in safe seats for parties they dont agree with it would give more weight to their vote. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 5, 2022 17:24:44 GMT
This thread is making for some really entertaining reading today. Keep it going boys and girls👍🏻
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 5, 2022 17:25:04 GMT
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