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Post by noustie on Sept 4, 2022 19:02:41 GMT
I would imagine that the government shambles thread would be the ideal place for comments once Truss takes over. Yep hopefully this one gets branded with the dreaded anchor. Sick of hearing about it I think it's bread week, then performing a pasodobla live in Blackpool, then eating kangaroo bollocks, then trying get shagged on Love Island without contracting monkeypox and then, singing a cover of 'Things can only get better' with Will.I.am spinning round on his chair to crown the eventual winner for the proles watching through the barricaded windows of Currys. About a week after, or whenever she can be bothered, Liz Truss will reveal underwhelming measures to tackle the cost of living crisis before buffering at any question trickier than the ones spoon-fed to Laura Kunnesberg whilst Sunak retreats to the States with his billionaire wife to ponder what may have been. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 4, 2022 20:42:32 GMT
Other than the cost of living crisis the Northern Ireland issue will be a massive, challenge, unsolvable without independence, followed then by Scotland ( referendum, not necessarily independence), in my opinion.
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Post by Gawa on Sept 4, 2022 21:14:29 GMT
Other than the cist of living crisis the Northern Ireland issue will be a massive, challenge, unsolvable without independence, followed then by Scotland, in my opinion. It's not an issue. The majority of our population and politicians are happy to have the Irish Sea border and see no requirement for significant changes. The DUP are opposed to it despite propping up the tory goverment who applied it and also being big brexit supporters too. You reap what you sow is what the rest of us think. The DUP have single handedly down more to move us closer to a United Ireland than SF ever have. They don't realise they're the problem. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 4, 2022 21:24:52 GMT
Other than the cist of living crisis the Northern Ireland issue will be a massive, challenge, unsolvable without independence, followed then by Scotland, in my opinion. If there is a United Ireland in my life time I'll vote Labour and run down vicky Road in nothing but a thong and flip flops . It's not going to happen. Too many proud Brits in NI that would see to that |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 4, 2022 21:57:58 GMT
Other than the cist of living crisis the Northern Ireland issue will be a massive, challenge, unsolvable without independence, followed then by Scotland, in my opinion. If there is a United Ireland in my life time I'll vote Labour and run down vicky Road in nothing but a thong and flip flops . It's not going to happen. Too many proud Brits in NI that would see to that Audlem, I think it could. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 4, 2022 22:10:10 GMT
If there is a United Ireland in my life time I'll vote Labour and run down vicky Road in nothing but a thong and flip flops . It's not going to happen. Too many proud Brits in NI that would see to that Audlem, I think it could. It would be the start of the troubles again mate if it did . The loyalists wouldn't let that go |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 5, 2022 1:30:30 GMT
Other than the cost of living crisis the Northern Ireland issue will be a massive, challenge, unsolvable without independence, followed then by Scotland ( referendum, not necessarily independence), in my opinion.
Worth watching from 3.20 in BJR, why there should have been far more discourse on NI prior to the referendum.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 5, 2022 5:36:53 GMT
Other than the cost of living crisis the Northern Ireland issue will be a massive, challenge, unsolvable without independence, followed then by Scotland ( referendum, not necessarily independence), in my opinion.
Worth watching from 3.20 in BJR, why there should have been far more discourse on NI prior to the referendum.
I can agree with what he says....NI was mentioned ( as was Gibraltar) but perhaps not enough time was given to it. Whether it would affect the the vote in England or affect it sufficiently enough in NI to affect the result who knows?........BUT if it did we might possibly be raising some other issue that was not highlighted enough eg England being forced to stay in the EU against its wishes( although if the vote had gone the other way I don't think we'd be rerunning/ analysing the referendum to the degree that remainers do) because of the way Scotland and Ireland voted. Just from my point of view, I actually did say that the NI issue would be a problem .......but , in the context of this thread, I see NI being a big issue for Truss ( presumably).....no PM would want to have a legacy of the break up of the UK....but I believe that there should be a United Ireland, independent of the UK( which was a stance of the left of the Labour Party at one time) should those entitled to vote on the issue chose it....what is wrong with that? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 8:09:50 GMT
Like clockwork.
Truss says what it takes to secure the votes of the golf club racists and big businesses, then brings in a policy that will completely outflank Labour and Starmer and see them rising in the polls.......
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 5, 2022 8:23:38 GMT
Like clockwork. Truss says what it takes to secure the votes of the golf club racists and big businesses, then brings in a policy that will completely outflank Labour and Starmer and see them rising in the polls....... The one thing you can guarantee is mad Lizzie will do what ever is needed to get them in front in the polls |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 8:31:29 GMT
And people wonder why opposition parties (all opposition parties, not just the current one) are reluctant to divulge their own policies and approaches.
This is why. They just get nicked, presented as their own by the government, who then take the credit.
If she does freeze the energy cap, and therefore keep bills affordable, hopefully enough people remember that it was only a few weeks ago that she ruled this out and said no more hand-outs, it was all about cutting taxes...
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 5, 2022 8:33:53 GMT
Like clockwork. Truss says what it takes to secure the votes of the golf club racists and big businesses, then brings in a policy that will completely outflank Labour and Starmer and see them rising in the polls....... The one thing you can guarantee is mad Lizzie will do what ever is needed to get them in front in the polls That's why she's quickly gaining the nickname 'Less Trust' |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 5, 2022 8:37:27 GMT
Like clockwork. Truss says what it takes to secure the votes of the golf club racists and big businesses, then brings in a policy that will completely outflank Labour and Starmer and see them rising in the polls....... I'm not sure even the British public are dumb enough to fall for her trickledown economics bullshit regardless any sticking plasters she locates in the meantime……are they? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 5, 2022 8:42:53 GMT
The one thing you can guarantee is mad Lizzie will do what ever is needed to get them in front in the polls That's why she's quickly gaining the nickname 'Less Trust' I’ll stick to mad Lizzie myself |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 9:00:10 GMT
The one thing you can guarantee is mad Lizzie will do what ever is needed to get them in front in the polls That's why she's quickly gaining the nickname 'Less Trust' If she follows the example of her predecessor it'll be 'Zero Trust' by Xmas |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 9:20:38 GMT
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Post by Foster on Sept 5, 2022 9:31:02 GMT
Just what the UK needs. More debt.
Any idea where the money is going to come from? China perhaps.
Plenty of short term papering over the cracks but no solid medium to long term plan for removing UK dependence or reducing national debt. Aside from going all out nuclear and buying new kettles.
The non-elite and future generations in the UK are fucked, and can look forward to a lifetime of handouts.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Sept 5, 2022 9:46:31 GMT
Just what the UK needs. More debt. Any idea where the money is going to come from? China perhaps. Plenty of short term papering over the cracks but no solid medium to long term plan for removing UK dependence or reducing national debt. Aside from going all out nuclear and buying new kettles. The non-elite and future generations in the UK are fucked, and can look forward to a lifetime of handouts. Maybe that's what they want . A society dependent on handouts from the government is a society that has no self respect and no self reliance which is good for no one |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 5, 2022 9:52:09 GMT
Just what the UK needs. More debt. Any idea where the money is going to come from? China perhaps. Plenty of short term papering over the cracks but no solid medium to long term plan for removing UK dependence or reducing national debt. Aside from going all out nuclear and buying new kettles. The non-elite and future generations in the UK are fucked, and can look forward to a lifetime of handouts. Whoever was in government was going to have to do something to freeze bills or thousands of people would freeze or starve this winter and an equal number of businesses would go bust, further depressing an already fragile economy. You're right in that there needs to be clarity about where the money is coming from. If this was a Labour government we'd be hearing all sorts of magic money-tree type comments right now. What really needs to happen is a fundamental re-evaluation of how our economy works and to re-shape it so that it functions for the majority of people in this country not a limited few, and that should include taxation levels, profiteering, nationalisation of key industries and business regulation. Or, to put it another way, see how they do things in countries where their people are more content and adopt some of their approaches. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 5, 2022 10:44:41 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 5, 2022 11:00:36 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 5, 2022 11:03:44 GMT
Will give Truss the benefit of the doubt initially despite appearing to be a complete oddball and giving Starmer a run for his money in the lack of charisma stakes. Perhaps she will surprise us all - what's needed to win over Conservative members (largely older, southern people) is completely different to what wins elections and winning the next election will be top of her agenda.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 11:16:35 GMT
Like clockwork. Truss says what it takes to secure the votes of the golf club racists and big businesses, then brings in a policy that will completely outflank Labour and Starmer and see them rising in the polls....... I'm not sure even the British public are dumb enough to fall for her trickledown economics bullshit regardless any sticking plasters she locates in the meantime……are they? The papers will be calling her Thatcher-like by the end of the month and people will be lapping it up you watch........ |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 5, 2022 11:21:12 GMT
Just what the UK needs. More debt. Any idea where the money is going to come from? China perhaps. Plenty of short term papering over the cracks but no solid medium to long term plan for removing UK dependence or reducing national debt. Aside from going all out nuclear and buying new kettles. The non-elite and future generations in the UK are fucked, and can look forward to a lifetime of handouts. paying off the national debt is a bit of a fallacy mate, look at what Atlee achieved with a national debt of 250% of GDP. It takes radical policy but it can be done....... |
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Post by yeswilko on Sept 5, 2022 11:24:31 GMT
And people wonder why opposition parties (all opposition parties, not just the current one) are reluctant to divulge their own policies and approaches. This is why. They just get nicked, presented as their own by the government, who then take the credit. If she does freeze the energy cap, and therefore keep bills affordable, hopefully enough people remember that it was only a few weeks ago that she ruled this out and said no more hand-outs, it was all about cutting taxes... So her plan seems to be borrowing 130 billion or so and then giving it to energy companies and rich people? And then the rest of us will start paying it all back in a few years when these useless corrupt fucks have been voted out?... |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 5, 2022 11:37:29 GMT
Just what the UK needs. More debt. Any idea where the money is going to come from? China perhaps. Plenty of short term papering over the cracks but no solid medium to long term plan for removing UK dependence or reducing national debt. Aside from going all out nuclear and buying new kettles. The non-elite and future generations in the UK are fucked, and can look forward to a lifetime of handouts. paying off the national debt is a bit of a fallacy mate, look at what Atlee achieved with a national debt of 250% of GDP. It takes radical policy but it can be done....... Indeed he did, but back in those days the rich were made to pay 90% income tax to counterbalance the situation. This time, Truss seems to be wanting to take the Attlee route but let the top earners pay less. So guess who will be facing the next 50 years paying off a wartime-like situation? However, I see the only way for us to get through this terrible situation is to make it long-term because if we try to soak it up in one go it will bankrupt both families and industry and may even bring about riots like we saw with the poll tax. OS. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Sept 5, 2022 11:39:47 GMT
And there it is.
RIP, UK.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 5, 2022 11:40:16 GMT
Jesus fucking wept.
The lack of capable politicians on both sides is so depressing
It doesn’t get better when you look at Canada France and USA
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Post by franklin on Sept 5, 2022 11:40:20 GMT
So Liz it is then, over to you Liz
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Post by elystokie on Sept 5, 2022 11:42:29 GMT
"The greatest political party on earth"
Liz Truss describing the conservatives.
We're fucked.
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