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Post by phileetin on Aug 26, 2022 10:15:04 GMT
Why is it so populist for leaders to make an enemy out of everyone? Putin will be licking his lips at that, so maybe she's made one new friend there! There always has to be somebody or something to hate. It makes it easier to control people and bend them to your will generally if you give them something to focus their dislike towards. It's also a nice deflection away from stuff that actually matters. It doesn't really matter what it is: foreigners, migrants, the EU, Jews, Muslims, poor people, the "woke", the "sinister green agenda" etc etc. It's not a very edifying aspect of people in general but lots respond well to it and the Express and Mail make fortunes on the back of it. you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now .
i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 26, 2022 10:44:59 GMT
There always has to be somebody or something to hate. It makes it easier to control people and bend them to your will generally if you give them something to focus their dislike towards. It's also a nice deflection away from stuff that actually matters. It doesn't really matter what it is: foreigners, migrants, the EU, Jews, Muslims, poor people, the "woke", the "sinister green agenda" etc etc. It's not a very edifying aspect of people in general but lots respond well to it and the Express and Mail make fortunes on the back of it. you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now . i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 26, 2022 14:08:45 GMT
There always has to be somebody or something to hate. It makes it easier to control people and bend them to your will generally if you give them something to focus their dislike towards. It's also a nice deflection away from stuff that actually matters. It doesn't really matter what it is: foreigners, migrants, the EU, Jews, Muslims, poor people, the "woke", the "sinister green agenda" etc etc. It's not a very edifying aspect of people in general but lots respond well to it and the Express and Mail make fortunes on the back of it. you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now .
i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
I don't hate anybody and I certainly don't fall for the dog whistle bollocks that so many seem to on here and in wider life. I can, however, see that this particular bunch are extraordinarily inept, incompetent and corrupt. Surely, nobody is surprised that a Boris Johnson led Brexit and a Boris Johnson led government turn out to be disasters for the country? That assessment of just not being up to the job has followed him his whole life. There's been more than enough evidence over the last six years certainly, twelve years arguably, to come to the conclusion that they simply don't care about ordinary people's lives. Again, that shouldn't surprise anyone. Nor should their need and desire to deflect attention away from that, with their usual tactic of encouraging people to look elsewhere, and to despise something or someone. It's fairly standard stuff from them. The targets may change, but the tactics don't. Ask yourself why you're encouraged to focus disapproval on something that will have little or no material impact on your life, rather than stuff that does. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 26, 2022 15:02:31 GMT
There always has to be somebody or something to hate. It makes it easier to control people and bend them to your will generally if you give them something to focus their dislike towards. It's also a nice deflection away from stuff that actually matters. It doesn't really matter what it is: foreigners, migrants, the EU, Jews, Muslims, poor people, the "woke", the "sinister green agenda" etc etc. It's not a very edifying aspect of people in general but lots respond well to it and the Express and Mail make fortunes on the back of it. you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now . i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
I don’t think redwhinenblue hates the Tories. What he does have is a snidey contempt for people who vote Tory. There are others who demonstrate hatred for both Tories and people who vote for them. That demonstration at the recent Tory leadership hustings in Perth being a case in point. Plenty of hatred on show there. Strange, of course, in a country where hate is a crime. But it seems some forms of hatred are ok up here and others can see you locked up. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 15:18:08 GMT
There always has to be somebody or something to hate. It makes it easier to control people and bend them to your will generally if you give them something to focus their dislike towards. It's also a nice deflection away from stuff that actually matters. It doesn't really matter what it is: foreigners, migrants, the EU, Jews, Muslims, poor people, the "woke", the "sinister green agenda" etc etc. It's not a very edifying aspect of people in general but lots respond well to it and the Express and Mail make fortunes on the back of it. I agree with that 100% . The current anti white anti male and anti family values espoused by the left are just an attempt to divide the people. It's just a shame that people fall for it then in response them on the so called "right" retaliate. The Guardian and the BBC lap it up Divide and conquer This heinous zombie Tory Government is about to allow 40% of the households in this country to plunge into fuel poverty. People will die this winter because of their inaction and the neo liberal economics they pursue, in fact they are already dying at a rate of 500 a week due to the collapse of emergency treatment in the NHS. And you talk about family fucking values!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 15:24:48 GMT
There always has to be somebody or something to hate. It makes it easier to control people and bend them to your will generally if you give them something to focus their dislike towards. It's also a nice deflection away from stuff that actually matters. It doesn't really matter what it is: foreigners, migrants, the EU, Jews, Muslims, poor people, the "woke", the "sinister green agenda" etc etc. It's not a very edifying aspect of people in general but lots respond well to it and the Express and Mail make fortunes on the back of it. you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now .
i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
people would start a thread on what has been good, but it'd be a very short thread. Not a single thing has improved under the tory govt. Nothing. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 15:51:22 GMT
you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now .
i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
people would start a thread on what has been good, but it'd be a very short thread. Not a single thing has improved under the tory govt. Nothing. A significant number of multi millionaires have become billionaires. You have to give them that. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 16:02:57 GMT
I agree with that 100% . The current anti white anti male and anti family values espoused by the left are just an attempt to divide the people. It's just a shame that people fall for it then in response them on the so called "right" retaliate. The Guardian and the BBC lap it up Divide and conquer This heinous zombie Tory Government is about to allow 40% of the households in this country to plunge into fuel poverty. People will die this winter because of their inaction and the neo liberal economics they pursue, in fact they are already dying at a rate of 500 a week due to the collapse of emergency treatment in the NHS. And you talk about family fucking values!!!! Same the world over mate. You seem to not understand what family values are. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 16:07:29 GMT
This heinous zombie Tory Government is about to allow 40% of the households in this country to plunge into fuel poverty. People will die this winter because of their inaction and the neo liberal economics they pursue, in fact they are already dying at a rate of 500 a week due to the collapse of emergency treatment in the NHS. And you talk about family fucking values!!!! Same the world over mate. You seem to not understand what family values are. It's not the same the world over at all, is it though? Your idea of family values appears to include approving of a negligent and corrupt Government killing members of families so yeah I guess my view of family values and yours are worlds apart! |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 16:08:35 GMT
Same the world over mate. You seem to not understand what family values are. It's not the same the world over at all, is it though? Your idea of family values appears to include approving of a negligent and corrupt Government killing members of families so yeah I guess my view of family values and yours are worlds apart Yes it is the same the world over mate. I agree that we have different values though and very different ideas as to what is meant by family values . I'm nothing like you at all. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 16:15:22 GMT
It's not the same the world over at all, is it though? Your idea of family values appears to include approving of a negligent and corrupt Government killing members of families so yeah I guess my view of family values and yours are worlds apart Yes it is the same the world over mate. I agree that we have different values though and very different ideas as to what is meant by family values . I'm nothing like you at all. Where's your evidence for fuel poverty and 500 excess deaths a week because of a collapse in emergency health care in the G7 and other wealthy economies? Show your workings. As for It's not the same the world over at all, is it though? Your idea of family values appears to include approving of a negligent and corrupt Government killing members of families so yeah I guess my view of family values and yours are worlds apart I agree that we have different values though and very different ideas as to what is meant by family values . I'm nothing like you at all. You fucking betcha! |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 16:24:26 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2022 16:26:57 GMT
Sorry mate, you were too quick for me, I immediately realised I had posted on the wrong thread, so switched it to the fuel bills thread whilst you were replying. Apologies. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 16:35:18 GMT
Yes it is the same the world over mate. I agree that we have different values though and very different ideas as to what is meant by family values . I'm nothing like you at all. Where's your evidence for fuel poverty and 500 excess deaths a week because of a collapse in emergency health care in the G7 and other wealthy economies? Show your workings. As for I agree that we have different values though and very different ideas as to what is meant by family values . I'm nothing like you at all. You fucking betcha! People are different mate, we all have different upbringings and different experiences which makes us view things differently. I had a good happy upbringing and I've had a mix of positive and negative life experiences . All these things lead to people having different outlooks. I can see we have nothing in common and are worlds apart in our values and thank fuck for that but I wouldn't want to live my life viewing the world from your lense. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 16:44:39 GMT
Where's your evidence for fuel poverty and 500 excess deaths a week because of a collapse in emergency health care in the G7 and other wealthy economies? Show your workings. As for You fucking betcha! we are worlds apart in our values and thank fuck for that You fucking betcha. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 17:00:16 GMT
we are worlds apart in our values and thank fuck for that You fucking betcha. No you fucking betcha 😃 |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 17:19:25 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 26, 2022 17:21:51 GMT
you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now . i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
I don’t think redwhinenblue hates the Tories. What he does have is a snidey contempt for people who vote Tory. There are others who demonstrate hatred for both Tories and people who vote for them. That demonstration at the recent Tory leadership hustings in Perth being a case in point. Plenty of hatred on show there. Strange, of course, in a country where hate is a crime. But it seems some forms of hatred are ok up here and others can see you locked up. I wouldn't call it a snidey contempt either, but it's true that it's hard to see why ordinary, working class folk choose to kick themselves in the bollocks over and over. Lack of understanding, lack of interest, desire to know their place, falling for the dog whistle stuff, believing all the guff about "wokery", believing all the shite about all politicians being the same...any combination of all those? Who knows? But any ordinary working class voter who genuinely thinks that the Tory Party has their interests at heart more than the Labour Party, LibDems, Greens, SNP or pretty much any other political choice is deluding themselves, and allowing all the trivial stuff about wokery (or whatever irrelevant distraction they choose to focus on) to override any chance that the things that actually matter like health, education and environment will get better. If you think all the distraction guff is more important, fair enough, vote Tory. If you don't and want things to improve in the things that actually matter, vote elsewhere would be my take on it. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 26, 2022 17:34:28 GMT
I don’t think redwhinenblue hates the Tories. What he does have is a snidey contempt for people who vote Tory. There are others who demonstrate hatred for both Tories and people who vote for them. That demonstration at the recent Tory leadership hustings in Perth being a case in point. Plenty of hatred on show there. Strange, of course, in a country where hate is a crime. But it seems some forms of hatred are ok up here and others can see you locked up. I wouldn't call it a snidey contempt either, but it's true that it's hard to see why ordinary, working class folk choose to kick themselves in the bollocks over and over. Lack of understanding, lack of interest, desire to know their place, falling for the dog whistle stuff, believing all the guff about "wokery", believing all the shite about all politicians being the same...any combination of all those? Who knows? But any ordinary working class voter who genuinely thinks that the Tory Party has their interests at heart more than the Labour Party, LibDems, Greens, SNP or pretty much any other political choice is deluding themselves, and allowing all the trivial stuff about wokery (or whatever irrelevant distraction they choose to focus on) to override any chance that the things that actually matter like health, education and environment will get better. If you think all the distraction guff is more important, fair enough, vote Tory. If you don't and want things to improve in the things that actually matter, vote elsewhere would be my take on it. You wouldn’t call it snidey contempt, then you go on to use snidey contempt.  |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 17:53:57 GMT
I don't know why you are so desperate to make me agree with you mate, it ain't gonna happen, we are opposites in every way 😃 |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 26, 2022 17:57:56 GMT
As we have the two party system, which in my opinion is a fundamental part of the " problem" that we have now in the uk......
no chance of consensus, a broken, divided Britain, in the public arena....relentless nastiness, carping = dragging the country down....and it would probably be the same whoever is in power.....it is much easier to criticise from the wings to actually be responsible for "doing" something .....
I would like to see.....once one of the two candidates gets the job....they put forward their plan/ strategy/ direction within one month....
AND Starmer actually puts his plan/ strategy direction forward...
AND the public have a chance to discuss and debate it.....
I guess this is what is usually known as
A General election.
I would add that this Tory process for electing their leader has been disgraceful in my opinion....in terms of....it could have been curtailed by 3 or 4 weeks.
The public wrangling of the two candidates could have probably been reduced to a half hour podcast / programme....with NO questions..just their manifesto....
I doubt that the shambles of a process changed many minds....I'd imagine most Tories at heart are hesitant about who to back.....really they would have preferred Mordaunt or Badenoch.....
So would I.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 17:59:20 GMT
I don’t think redwhinenblue hates the Tories. What he does have is a snidey contempt for people who vote Tory. There are others who demonstrate hatred for both Tories and people who vote for them. That demonstration at the recent Tory leadership hustings in Perth being a case in point. Plenty of hatred on show there. Strange, of course, in a country where hate is a crime. But it seems some forms of hatred are ok up here and others can see you locked up. I wouldn't call it a snidey contempt either, but it's true that it's hard to see why ordinary, working class folk choose to kick themselves in the bollocks over and over. Lack of understanding, lack of interest, desire to know their place, falling for the dog whistle stuff, believing all the guff about "wokery", believing all the shite about all politicians being the same...any combination of all those? Who knows? But any ordinary working class voter who genuinely thinks that the Tory Party has their interests at heart more than the Labour Party, LibDems, Greens, SNP or pretty much any other political choice is deluding themselves, and allowing all the trivial stuff about wokery (or whatever irrelevant distraction they choose to focus on) to override any chance that the things that actually matter like health, education and environment will get better. If you think all the distraction guff is more important, fair enough, vote Tory. If you don't and want things to improve in the things that actually matter, vote elsewhere would be my take on it. What if they don't see voting Tory as 'kicking themselves in the bollocks' though. The 'guff' wokery comes from the left. If you truely believe something to be true isn't that enough? Why do the left always feel the need to prove a point and to convince the 'right' that they are wrong. Im 100% sure no one on a footy message board has ever changed their mind regarding politics because of what someone else has typed. I'm confident that my way is the right way, I'm confident that what I believe is true . I'm happy for others to disagree with me because wheather others agree or not isn't an issue for me as I'm confident that I'm right and they're wrong . Sometimes the only appropriate reply to a post on here is "ye ye whatever" then going about your business and doing what you were always going to do anyway |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 26, 2022 18:01:37 GMT
you hate the tories , this is an anti tory / government thread , nobody has started a thread saying what has been good , labour haven't made any significant constructive proposals , its easier to hate than to like , everyone is always asking for handouts , support , tolerance and they moan when the purpose of the support stops and the benefits stop . when fuel prices etc drop no-one will say okay i'll have a pay cut now . i don't know what the answer is going to be but it has got to be radical to succeed and labour won't be the ones to provide it .
I don’t think redwhinenblue hates the Tories. What he does have is a snidey contempt for people who vote Tory. There are others who demonstrate hatred for both Tories and people who vote for them. That demonstration at the recent Tory leadership hustings in Perth being a case in point. Plenty of hatred on show there. Strange, of course, in a country where hate is a crime. But it seems some forms of hatred are ok up here and others can see you locked up. Don’t forget those he presumes vote Tory, usually unfounded and plain wrong |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 26, 2022 18:15:50 GMT
I wouldn't call it a snidey contempt either, but it's true that it's hard to see why ordinary, working class folk choose to kick themselves in the bollocks over and over. Lack of understanding, lack of interest, desire to know their place, falling for the dog whistle stuff, believing all the guff about "wokery", believing all the shite about all politicians being the same...any combination of all those? Who knows? But any ordinary working class voter who genuinely thinks that the Tory Party has their interests at heart more than the Labour Party, LibDems, Greens, SNP or pretty much any other political choice is deluding themselves, and allowing all the trivial stuff about wokery (or whatever irrelevant distraction they choose to focus on) to override any chance that the things that actually matter like health, education and environment will get better. If you think all the distraction guff is more important, fair enough, vote Tory. If you don't and want things to improve in the things that actually matter, vote elsewhere would be my take on it. What if they don't see voting Tory as 'kicking themselves in the bollocks' though. The 'guff' wokery comes from the left. If you truely believe something to be true isn't that enough? Why do the left always feel the need to prove a point and to convince the 'right' that they are wrong. Im 100% sure no one on a footy message board has ever changed their mind regarding politics because of what someone else has typed. I'm confident that my way is the right way, I'm confident that what I believe is true . I'm happy for others to disagree with me because wheather others agree or not isn't an issue for me as I'm confident that I'm right and they're wrong . Sometimes the only appropriate reply to a post on here is "ye ye whatever" then going about your business and doing what you were always going to do anyway I'm sure they don't, although given the last decade or so, inflation, Brexit, energy costs, huge NHS issues and waiting lists, crumbling schools, falling wages in real terms, sewage in rivers, recruitment problems, a national debt that's doubled etc etc, you can only wonder how and why. I guess a lot of it is just tribalism. You decide early on who you prefer, then focus on anything real, trivial or even imaginary that confirms that decision. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 18:32:02 GMT
I don't know why you are so desperate to make me agree with you mate, it ain't gonna happen, we are opposites in every way 😃 I don't want you to agree with me. That would worry me a great deal just want you to stop banging on about family values when you clearly don't give a flyer about them! |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 18:32:04 GMT
What if they don't see voting Tory as 'kicking themselves in the bollocks' though. The 'guff' wokery comes from the left. If you truely believe something to be true isn't that enough? Why do the left always feel the need to prove a point and to convince the 'right' that they are wrong. Im 100% sure no one on a footy message board has ever changed their mind regarding politics because of what someone else has typed. I'm confident that my way is the right way, I'm confident that what I believe is true . I'm happy for others to disagree with me because wheather others agree or not isn't an issue for me as I'm confident that I'm right and they're wrong . Sometimes the only appropriate reply to a post on here is "ye ye whatever" then going about your business and doing what you were always going to do anyway I'm sure they don't, although given the last decade or so, inflation, Brexit, energy costs, huge NHS issues and waiting lists, crumbling schools, falling wages in real terms, sewage in rivers, recruitment problems, a national debt that's doubled etc etc, you can only wonder how and why. I guess a lot of it is just tribalism. You decide early on who you prefer, then focus on anything real, trivial or even imaginary that confirms that decision. Like I said before mate it's tribalism and both 'sides' are guilty of it which is a shame because as long as people think along them lines we'll always be divided |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 18:32:55 GMT
I don't know why you are so desperate to make me agree with you mate, it ain't gonna happen, we are opposites in every way 😃 I don't want you to agree with me. That would worry me a great deal just want you to stop banging on about family values when you clearly don't give a flyer about them! You do mate . Family values matter to me unlike you but that's ok , we're all different. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 18:38:21 GMT
I don't want you to agree with me. That would worry me a great deal just want you to stop banging on about family values when you clearly don't give a flyer about them! You do mate . Family values matter to me unlike you but that's ok , we're all different. Nothing says I love my granddad like subjecting him to 14 hours in an ambulance before he dies in complete agony and then passing it off as 'happening the world over mate'. Family values! 😂 |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 26, 2022 18:47:17 GMT
You do mate . Family values matter to me unlike you but that's ok , we're all different. Nothing says I love my granddad like subjecting him to 14 hours in an ambulance before he dies in complete agony and then passing it off as 'happening the world over mate'. Family values! 😂 Sounds like your still struggling with what family values are mate |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 26, 2022 19:13:42 GMT
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