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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2022 9:20:55 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is. The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election. Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election. Who is equally, if not more out of ideas and incompetent. The country has got years of pain ahead. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 9:22:02 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is. The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election. Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election. Starmer wtaf, if he is half as bad a PM as he is as opposition leader then we are doomed! Yet in that scenario he will be 10 times better than Johnson, Truss etc |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 9:27:18 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is. The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election. Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election. Who is equally, if not more out of ideas and incompetent. The country has got years of pain ahead. How can you possibly say with any evidence that Starmer is out of ideas and incompetent at a job he has never had. We know for certain the tories are destroying our economy and our democracy and are steadily redistributing wealth away from the people and to the very richest and best connected. How can you possibly say Starmer is worse or as bad? If he publishes a manifesto now, it will inevitably need to change by the time the election comes and so all the LOTO can do is make suggestions for short term fixes to issues. He got the windfall tax right, and that was copied. He has come up with a temporary fix for the impending worsening of the cost of living crisis that also helps with inflation. His suggestions are far better than any that a tory has come up with. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2022 9:33:36 GMT
Who is equally, if not more out of ideas and incompetent. The country has got years of pain ahead. How can you possibly say with any evidence that Starmer is out of ideas and incompetent at a job he has never had. We know for certain the tories are destroying our economy and our democracy and are steadily redistributing wealth away from the people and to the very richest and best connected. How can you possibly say Starmer is worse or as bad? If he publishes a manifesto now, it will inevitably need to change by the time the election comes and so all the LOTO can do is make suggestions for short term fixes to issues. He got the windfall tax right, and that was copied. He has come up with a temporary fix for the impending worsening of the cost of living crisis that also helps with inflation. His suggestions are far better than any that a tory has come up with. Oggy I can't even be bothered to argue the case mate. Just watch it unfold and maybe in 5 or 6 years time I'll drop you a note to ask your thoughts on Starmer. If you really think Starmer is the man then good luck, you'll need it 😊 P.s I don't disagree, this Tory government has been dreadful. But Labour aren't the answer. I'm not sure there is an answer right now 😒 |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 17, 2022 9:36:31 GMT
Come back big Nige.
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 9:44:52 GMT
Because of Labours wokery. That's why people in Stoke on Trent didn't vote for them, taking the knee , not being able to define what a women is, calling everyone racist when they aren't etc etc. It gets people's back up. Energy prices are important but so is the moral compass, sanity and soul of a society and by talking bollocks about pronouns, gender being "offended" at everything, and talking down to people as if they're thick they just make themselves look like cabbages , hence the Tory vote , it wasn't a vote for the Torys , it was a vote against Labour this is a genuine question, not in anyway trying to claim points. having seen and heard how bad the tories are affecting our/your life in terms of bills, the destruction of democracy, law and order etc .... and in your opinion Labour is too woke and not representing the working person, who do you vote for in the next election? would you still expect people to vote against labour, knowing full well that the tories are hardly likely to fix things, or would you expect people to begrudgingly vote labour and put up with what is conceived as woke nonsense? The destruction of Law and Order, and democracy , and affecting our lives in terms of bills isn't unique to the Torys though. Stoke on Trent has been a Labour City for pretty much our entire history. The closure of the steel works , the pot banks and the mines were done on Labours watch. There isn't much community spirit left any where in the UK any more, neighbours being encouraged to grass on each other for having a party or for using a hose pipe , everyone divided over politics , we are a divided nation and so is the US, and this isn't an accident, the media and the politicians know very well what they are doing. Wokery is just another tool used to divide and to fuck up the minds of children. What adults do is their business and as long as it doesn't infringe one me I don't care but what I take exception to is the attempt to brainwash our kids with woke ideology. Society is already pickled enough without having future generations being confused about what gender they are, having so little self respect that they kneel like subservient subjects. When teachers are encouraging kids to use weird pronouns, brainwashing them about how "evil" Britain is and how they should be ashamed to be British. When young boys are being told that they are all potential rapists and that they are part of some none existant patriarchy, when young girls have to share changing rooms with grown men, the results will be one confused self loathing generation with mental health issues which is no good for Society as a whole. Im politically homeless, I'm not married to an idea and I'd happily vote Labour if they dropped their culture war nonsense. Im not pro Tory but I'm certainly anti Labour in it's current form. If Labour drop the woke bullshit then I might consider taking them seriously but until then Labour doesn't get my vote |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 17, 2022 10:12:33 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is. The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election. Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election. Overturn an 80 seat majority? He'd be doing well. Once the Tories choose their new leader and the election approaches the right-wing Press will start getting stuck into Starmer. He's sensibly given them very little to get stuck into so far, drinking a bottle of beer aside obviously, and even that led to a dozen Daily Mail front pages! I agree that the Tory Party is out of ideas (and out of touch - when has it not been?) but once the media starts the usual "For all their faults - still the best choice for the country" stuff, enough of the electorate will come round. You have to remember that eight or nine out of ten people haven't any interest or clue about politics. Sunak would probably beat Starmer, in terms of Tory leadership choice outside of the membership he seems more popular with the country overall, including floating voters most importantly, but it looks like the Tory membership are going to make the same mistake they made with Bozo. Elect some idiot who tells them what they want to hear but is basically incompetent. You might like to consider what makes your "eight or nine out of ten people haven't any interest or clue about politics" decide how to vote. I think the answer is how folk perceive the competence of the Government. Every change of Government in modern times follows a period when people think the incumbent government is incompetent - From Ted "Who Governs" Heath thru' Jim "What Crisis" Callaghan and John "Black Monday" Major to Gordon "Mr. Bean" Brown. Each, with varying degrees of culpability, went to the country with the country in a mess... and lost. Which is where we are today, and things are heading south. Which is why Labour will form the next Government whether that is a majority or a coalition administration. Whether life under Labour will be an improvement, is a different question. |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 17, 2022 10:20:50 GMT
I see nothing contradictory in Liz Truss's leaked comments on British Workers Nor that Productivity or other ills in UK Economy are/were not related to EU or Immigration It was her pre Brexit Position on which she Campaigned
She is however prepared to utter different opinions and become a Sock Puppet for the ERG for her Personal Advancement
In this scenario its even possible to have an even more Chaotic Government for the next 2 years than the present one During a period of Recession and Galloping Inflation.and weak Leadership. Gawd Help Us
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 10:29:42 GMT
How can you possibly say with any evidence that Starmer is out of ideas and incompetent at a job he has never had. We know for certain the tories are destroying our economy and our democracy and are steadily redistributing wealth away from the people and to the very richest and best connected. How can you possibly say Starmer is worse or as bad? If he publishes a manifesto now, it will inevitably need to change by the time the election comes and so all the LOTO can do is make suggestions for short term fixes to issues. He got the windfall tax right, and that was copied. He has come up with a temporary fix for the impending worsening of the cost of living crisis that also helps with inflation. His suggestions are far better than any that a tory has come up with. Oggy I can't even be bothered to argue the case mate. Just watch it unfold and maybe in 5 or 6 years time I'll drop you a note to ask your thoughts on Starmer. If you really think Starmer is the man then good luck, you'll need it 😊 P.s I don't disagree, this Tory government has been dreadful. But Labour aren't the answer. I'm not sure there is an answer right now 😒 I’m not a big fan of Starmer. But I will not tarnish him or MPs from other parties with what this government has done. You are walking into the trap of assuming that because the current lot are awful, they all are. That’s exactly what the current lot want so then they are then not held to account. I am pointing out to you that there is no rational or reasonable way of knowing Starmer is as bad or worse than the tories because he hasn’t been in power. Opposition leader is a completely different job to PM. But given that the tories are in power and have been for over a decade and most people agree they have been terrible, isn’t it worth trying something different from the status quo of the last decade or so? You never know, it may be a bit better. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 10:38:13 GMT
this is a genuine question, not in anyway trying to claim points. having seen and heard how bad the tories are affecting our/your life in terms of bills, the destruction of democracy, law and order etc .... and in your opinion Labour is too woke and not representing the working person, who do you vote for in the next election? would you still expect people to vote against labour, knowing full well that the tories are hardly likely to fix things, or would you expect people to begrudgingly vote labour and put up with what is conceived as woke nonsense? The destruction of Law and Order, and democracy , and affecting our lives in terms of bills isn't unique to the Torys though. Stoke on Trent has been a Labour City for pretty much our entire history. The closure of the steel works , the pot banks and the mines were done on Labours watch. There isn't much community spirit left any where in the UK any more, neighbours being encouraged to grass on each other for having a party or for using a hose pipe , everyone divided over politics , we are a divided nation and so is the US, and this isn't an accident, the media and the politicians know very well what they are doing. Wokery is just another tool used to divide and to fuck up the minds of children. What adults do is their business and as long as it doesn't infringe one me I don't care but what I take exception to is the attempt to brainwash our kids with woke ideology. Society is already pickled enough without having future generations being confused about what gender they are, having so little self respect that they kneel like subservient subjects. When teachers are encouraging kids to use weird pronouns, brainwashing them about how "evil" Britain is and how they should be ashamed to be British. When young boys are being told that they are all potential rapists and that they are part of some none existant patriarchy, when young girls have to share changing rooms with grown men, the results will be one confused self loathing generation with mental health issues which is no good for Society as a whole. Im politically homeless, I'm not married to an idea and I'd happily vote Labour if they dropped their culture war nonsense. Im not pro Tory but I'm certainly anti Labour in it's current form. If Labour drop the woke bullshit then I might consider taking them seriously but until then Labour doesn't get my vote Closing industry was thatcher - a tory All the transgender/statue toppling noise is just noise. It doesn’t impact you or those close to you (I am guessing from your posts). So why do you care? Do as you say. Allow those who care about it to do their own business and you can leave them to it. It doesn’t cause you harm. If kids you will never likely meet want to use different pronouns, why shouldn’t they? It is none of your business. Where is the evidence it harms society? Social media harms society far more. I suggest that you are politically homeless because we have a first past the post electoral system which means forever it will be tory or labour (mostly tory) with only 25% of the electorate needing to vote for one for them to win a majority. That means there are few options on the table. I therefore suggest you look further afield to other parties who are perhaps in between the tories and labour on most policy, and who want a different electoral system. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 10:44:48 GMT
The destruction of Law and Order, and democracy , and affecting our lives in terms of bills isn't unique to the Torys though. Stoke on Trent has been a Labour City for pretty much our entire history. The closure of the steel works , the pot banks and the mines were done on Labours watch. There isn't much community spirit left any where in the UK any more, neighbours being encouraged to grass on each other for having a party or for using a hose pipe , everyone divided over politics , we are a divided nation and so is the US, and this isn't an accident, the media and the politicians know very well what they are doing. Wokery is just another tool used to divide and to fuck up the minds of children. What adults do is their business and as long as it doesn't infringe one me I don't care but what I take exception to is the attempt to brainwash our kids with woke ideology. Society is already pickled enough without having future generations being confused about what gender they are, having so little self respect that they kneel like subservient subjects. When teachers are encouraging kids to use weird pronouns, brainwashing them about how "evil" Britain is and how they should be ashamed to be British. When young boys are being told that they are all potential rapists and that they are part of some none existant patriarchy, when young girls have to share changing rooms with grown men, the results will be one confused self loathing generation with mental health issues which is no good for Society as a whole. Im politically homeless, I'm not married to an idea and I'd happily vote Labour if they dropped their culture war nonsense. Im not pro Tory but I'm certainly anti Labour in it's current form. If Labour drop the woke bullshit then I might consider taking them seriously but until then Labour doesn't get my vote Closing industry was thatcher - a tory All the transgender/statue toppling noise is just noise. It doesn’t impact you or those close to you (I am guessing from your posts). So why do you care? Do as you say. Allow those who care about it to do their own business and you can leave them to it. It doesn’t cause you harm. If kids you will never likely meet want to use different pronouns, why shouldn’t they? It is none of your business. Where is the evidence it harms society? Social media harms society far more. I suggest that you are politically homeless because we have a first past the post electoral system which means forever it will be tory or labour (mostly tory) with only 25% of the electorate needing to vote for one for them to win a majority. That means there are few options on the table. I therefore suggest you look further afield to other parties who are perhaps in between the tories and labour on most policy, and who want a different electoral system. I'm part of society so a fucked up society does affect me . Live and let live I'm all for that but the woke agenda doesn't agree , they are trying to force their weird ways on the rest of us including our kids . He puts it across better than I do. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 10:58:54 GMT
Closing industry was thatcher - a tory All the transgender/statue toppling noise is just noise. It doesn’t impact you or those close to you (I am guessing from your posts). So why do you care? Do as you say. Allow those who care about it to do their own business and you can leave them to it. It doesn’t cause you harm. If kids you will never likely meet want to use different pronouns, why shouldn’t they? It is none of your business. Where is the evidence it harms society? Social media harms society far more. I suggest that you are politically homeless because we have a first past the post electoral system which means forever it will be tory or labour (mostly tory) with only 25% of the electorate needing to vote for one for them to win a majority. That means there are few options on the table. I therefore suggest you look further afield to other parties who are perhaps in between the tories and labour on most policy, and who want a different electoral system. I'm part of society so a fucked up society does affect me . Live and let live I'm all for that but the woke agenda doesn't agree , they are trying to force their weird ways on the rest of us including our kids . He puts it across better than I do. Nobody is forcing you or your kids to do anything. It is of course your choice, but if I were you, I wouldn’t try to persuade me by linking to Andrew Tate, a man filmed beating his wife with a belt, who believes victims of sexual assault should take some responsibility for being assaulted, for saying depression isn’t real, who moved to Romania because he said it was easier to get away with rape, and who is under investigation for human trafficking. If anything, the fact scum like him get famous and make money out of his disgusting comments shows society is messed up, but certainly not because we are overly woke about about rapists and mental health. |
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Post by knype on Aug 17, 2022 11:06:25 GMT
Starmer wtaf, if he is half as bad a PM as he is as opposition leader then we are doomed! Yet in that scenario he will be 10 times better than Johnson, Truss etc Nope, he is a busted flush |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 11:06:46 GMT
I'm part of society so a fucked up society does affect me . Live and let live I'm all for that but the woke agenda doesn't agree , they are trying to force their weird ways on the rest of us including our kids . He puts it across better than I do. Nobody is forcing you or your kids to do anything. It is of course your choice, but if I were you, I wouldn’t try to persuade me by linking to Andrew Tate, a man filmed beating his wife with a belt, who believes victims of sexual assault should take some responsibility for being assaulted, for saying depression isn’t real, who moved to Romania because he said it was easier to get away with rape, and who is under investigation for human trafficking. If anything, the fact scum like him get famous and make money out of his disgusting comments shows society is messed up, but certainly not because we are overly woke about about rapists and mental health. They are trying to force their woke views on the rest of us and that's the issue. Im not here to defend Andrew Tate mate he's just a bloke on YouTube as far as I'm concerned , I linked the video because what he says there I 100% agree with, that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says although the "beating a woman" thing was role play , the woman was his ex and she said as such. He isn't under investigation for human trafficking neither, if you know the story behind that you'd know that he had a webcam business and the boyfriend of one of the girls reported him because he was jealous. As for moving to Romania, he did that because Romania so far hasn't been infected with Wokery like the west has . Weather you like or agree with Tate as a person isn't the issue though, do you agree with what he's saying in that clip ? And I'm not trying to persuade you of anything, I'm sure i couldn't change your mind and likewise you couldn't change mine, I doubt whether anyone on a football forum has ever changed anyones mind about anything political or social. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 11:08:36 GMT
Yet in that scenario he will be 10 times better than Johnson, Truss etc Nope, he is a busted flush Based on…? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 11:13:05 GMT
Nobody is forcing you or your kids to do anything. It is of course your choice, but if I were you, I wouldn’t try to persuade me by linking to Andrew Tate, a man filmed beating his wife with a belt, who believes victims of sexual assault should take some responsibility for being assaulted, for saying depression isn’t real, who moved to Romania because he said it was easier to get away with rape, and who is under investigation for human trafficking. If anything, the fact scum like him get famous and make money out of his disgusting comments shows society is messed up, but certainly not because we are overly woke about about rapists and mental health. They are trying to force their woke views on the rest of us and that's the issue. Im not here to defend Andrew Tate mate he's just a bloke on YouTube as far as I'm concerned , I linked the video because what he says there I 100% agree with, that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says although the "beating a woman" thing was role play , the woman was his ex and she said as such. He isn't under investigation for human trafficking neither, if you know the story behind that you'd know that he had a webcam business and the boyfriend of one of the girls reported him because he was jealous. As for moving to Romania, he did that because Romania so far hasn't been infected with Wokery like the west has . Weather you like or agree with Tate as a person isn't the issue though, do you agree with what he's saying in that clip ? I agree that they (he included) should leave the kids alone. Far too many people (him included) are wasting their time worrying about whether or not it is right that a child they have never met before may or may not be confused about their gender. Leave the child alone. It is absolutely none of Tate’s or your business. The ultimate irony is that the so called anti-woke, such as Tate, moan so much about cancel culture, yet they want to cancel culture, such as transgender culture, which does not affect them and is nothing to do with them. Leave people to their business. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 11:18:59 GMT
They are trying to force their woke views on the rest of us and that's the issue. Im not here to defend Andrew Tate mate he's just a bloke on YouTube as far as I'm concerned , I linked the video because what he says there I 100% agree with, that doesn't mean I agree with everything he says although the "beating a woman" thing was role play , the woman was his ex and she said as such. He isn't under investigation for human trafficking neither, if you know the story behind that you'd know that he had a webcam business and the boyfriend of one of the girls reported him because he was jealous. As for moving to Romania, he did that because Romania so far hasn't been infected with Wokery like the west has . Weather you like or agree with Tate as a person isn't the issue though, do you agree with what he's saying in that clip ? I agree that they (he included) should leave the kids alone. Far too many people (him included) are wasting their time worrying about whether or not it is right that a child they have never met before may or may not be confused about their gender. Leave the child alone. It is absolutely none of Tate’s or your business. The ultimate irony is that the so called anti-woke, such as Tate, moan so much about cancel culture, yet they want to cancel culture, such as transgender culture, which does not affect them and is nothing to do with them. Leave people to their business. Tate isn't trying to cancel anyone, he said it's none of his business. I agree with him , it's not his business , my business or your business what adults do or what they want to identify as . It becomes my business when they try and force it down everyone's throats and cancel anyone and everyone that doesn't agree . When they involve kids and try to warp their innocent minds, that's when I'll push back and speak out. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2022 11:21:10 GMT
this is a genuine question, not in anyway trying to claim points. having seen and heard how bad the tories are affecting our/your life in terms of bills, the destruction of democracy, law and order etc .... and in your opinion Labour is too woke and not representing the working person, who do you vote for in the next election? would you still expect people to vote against labour, knowing full well that the tories are hardly likely to fix things, or would you expect people to begrudgingly vote labour and put up with what is conceived as woke nonsense? The destruction of Law and Order, and democracy , and affecting our lives in terms of bills isn't unique to the Torys though. Stoke on Trent has been a Labour City for pretty much our entire history. The closure of the steel works , the pot banks and the mines were done on Labours watch. There isn't much community spirit left any where in the UK any more, neighbours being encouraged to grass on each other for having a party or for using a hose pipe , everyone divided over politics , we are a divided nation and so is the US, and this isn't an accident, the media and the politicians know very well what they are doing. Wokery is just another tool used to divide and to fuck up the minds of children. What adults do is their business and as long as it doesn't infringe one me I don't care but what I take exception to is the attempt to brainwash our kids with woke ideology. Society is already pickled enough without having future generations being confused about what gender they are, having so little self respect that they kneel like subservient subjects. When teachers are encouraging kids to use weird pronouns, brainwashing them about how "evil" Britain is and how they should be ashamed to be British. When young boys are being told that they are all potential rapists and that they are part of some none existant patriarchy, when young girls have to share changing rooms with grown men, the results will be one confused self loathing generation with mental health issues which is no good for Society as a whole. Im politically homeless, I'm not married to an idea and I'd happily vote Labour if they dropped their culture war nonsense. Im not pro Tory but I'm certainly anti Labour in it's current form. If Labour drop the woke bullshit then I might consider taking them seriously but until then Labour doesn't get my vote To me, all of that is just someone scratching around for a reason to justify already pretty firmly held voting preferences. You describe yourself as politically homeless, yet routinely support Trump, criticise migrant policy (not tough enough), don't give a shit about climate change and clearly have a massive bee in your bonnet about wokery. I'd say your political home is pretty obvious. As you rightly said, the latter is just another tool to divide. That's all you need to know. It's a phoney 'culture war' made up and pushed hard by the right to allow people who respond well to this kind of thing to exercise their need to demonise sections of society, in much the same way that immigration and the EU have been used in recent years. It will affect you and the people you know not one iota. (Other than getting vexed on the Oatcake, that is!). If wokery is the sole thing stopping you from considering voting Labour while inflation goes through the roof, wages lag even further behind, fuel and energy become increasingly unaffordable and the NHS falls apart, then you have been well and truly fooled by those seeking to play you for their own ends. There always needs to be someone or something to demonise because they know lots of people respond well to this dog whistle stuff - they've just moved on to this wokery guff. Have a think about why there always needs to be someone or something to hate. |
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Post by knype on Aug 17, 2022 11:21:25 GMT
Nope, he is a busted flush Based on…? His actions or lack of them with regard to everything over the last 2.5 years |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 11:31:15 GMT
The destruction of Law and Order, and democracy , and affecting our lives in terms of bills isn't unique to the Torys though. Stoke on Trent has been a Labour City for pretty much our entire history. The closure of the steel works , the pot banks and the mines were done on Labours watch. There isn't much community spirit left any where in the UK any more, neighbours being encouraged to grass on each other for having a party or for using a hose pipe , everyone divided over politics , we are a divided nation and so is the US, and this isn't an accident, the media and the politicians know very well what they are doing. Wokery is just another tool used to divide and to fuck up the minds of children. What adults do is their business and as long as it doesn't infringe one me I don't care but what I take exception to is the attempt to brainwash our kids with woke ideology. Society is already pickled enough without having future generations being confused about what gender they are, having so little self respect that they kneel like subservient subjects. When teachers are encouraging kids to use weird pronouns, brainwashing them about how "evil" Britain is and how they should be ashamed to be British. When young boys are being told that they are all potential rapists and that they are part of some none existant patriarchy, when young girls have to share changing rooms with grown men, the results will be one confused self loathing generation with mental health issues which is no good for Society as a whole. Im politically homeless, I'm not married to an idea and I'd happily vote Labour if they dropped their culture war nonsense. Im not pro Tory but I'm certainly anti Labour in it's current form. If Labour drop the woke bullshit then I might consider taking them seriously but until then Labour doesn't get my vote To me, all of that is just someone scratching around for a reason to justify already pretty firmly held voting preferences. You describe yourself as politically homeless, yet routinely support Trump, criticise migrant policy (not tough enough), don't give a shit about climate change and clearly have a massive bee in your bonnet about wokery. I'd say your political home is pretty obvious. As you rightly said, the latter is just another tool to divide. That's all you need to know. It's a phoney 'culture war' made up and pushed hard by the right to allow people who respond well to this kind of thing to exercise their need to demonise sections of society, in much the same way that immigration and the EU have been used in recent years. It will affect you and the people you know not one iota. (Other than getting vexed on the Oatcake, that is!). If wokery is the sole thing stopping you from considering voting Labour while inflation goes through the roof, wages lag even further behind, fuel and energy become increasingly unaffordable and the NHS falls apart, then you have been well and truly fooled by those seeking to play you for their own ends. There always needs to be someone or something to demonise because they know lots of people respond well to this dog whistle stuff - they've just moved on to this wokery guff. Have a think about why there always needs to be someone or something to hate. I disagree with all of that mate apart from the division thing. Yes we are divided and the division is so entrenched I can't see us being unified any time soon which is a shame but it is what it is . |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 11:48:10 GMT
I agree that they (he included) should leave the kids alone. Far too many people (him included) are wasting their time worrying about whether or not it is right that a child they have never met before may or may not be confused about their gender. Leave the child alone. It is absolutely none of Tate’s or your business. The ultimate irony is that the so called anti-woke, such as Tate, moan so much about cancel culture, yet they want to cancel culture, such as transgender culture, which does not affect them and is nothing to do with them. Leave people to their business. Tate isn't trying to cancel anyone, he said it's none of his business. I agree with him , it's not his business , my business or your business what adults do or what they want to identify as . It becomes my business when they try and force it down everyone's throats and cancel anyone and everyone that doesn't agree . When they involve kids and try to warp their innocent minds, that's when I'll push back and speak out. Nobody is forcing it down your throat. Avoid social media and you will barely hear about it. The only kids involved are those who don’t feel right with their gender and then it is an issue for them and their family and they should take advice. Nobody is forcing children to change genders. And if Tate says it is none of his business, why does he think he needs to broadcast his views over the internet about it. Why not just ignore it as it doesn’t affect him? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 11:49:13 GMT
His actions or lack of them with regard to everything over the last 2.5 years Windfall tax? His latest announcement re energy price cap? Saying he will quit if he has committed a criminal offence? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2022 11:51:01 GMT
To me, all of that is just someone scratching around for a reason to justify already pretty firmly held voting preferences. You describe yourself as politically homeless, yet routinely support Trump, criticise migrant policy (not tough enough), don't give a shit about climate change and clearly have a massive bee in your bonnet about wokery. I'd say your political home is pretty obvious. As you rightly said, the latter is just another tool to divide. That's all you need to know. It's a phoney 'culture war' made up and pushed hard by the right to allow people who respond well to this kind of thing to exercise their need to demonise sections of society, in much the same way that immigration and the EU have been used in recent years. It will affect you and the people you know not one iota. (Other than getting vexed on the Oatcake, that is!). If wokery is the sole thing stopping you from considering voting Labour while inflation goes through the roof, wages lag even further behind, fuel and energy become increasingly unaffordable and the NHS falls apart, then you have been well and truly fooled by those seeking to play you for their own ends. There always needs to be someone or something to demonise because they know lots of people respond well to this dog whistle stuff - they've just moved on to this wokery guff. Have a think about why there always needs to be someone or something to hate. I disagree with all of that mate apart from the division thing. Yes we are divided and the division is so entrenched I can't see us being unified any time soon which is a shame but it is what it is . Well of course you do because it's not a nice thing to have to admit that you are basically being played into worrying about something that will have zero impact on you or anyone else you know, instead of worrying why there's no chance of an ambulance reaching you before you die when you have a heart attack or stroke or other life-threatening event. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 11:57:38 GMT
Tate isn't trying to cancel anyone, he said it's none of his business. I agree with him , it's not his business , my business or your business what adults do or what they want to identify as . It becomes my business when they try and force it down everyone's throats and cancel anyone and everyone that doesn't agree . When they involve kids and try to warp their innocent minds, that's when I'll push back and speak out. Nobody is forcing it down your throat. Avoid social media and you will barely hear about it. The only kids involved are those who don’t feel right with their gender and then it is an issue for them and their family and they should take advice. Nobody is forcing children to change genders. They are mate , look at some of the homework kids are being sent home with, look at some of the teachers . Teachers are there to teach not to brainwash and spread their propaganda . It's not just gender neither, it's the teaching of kids to hate their own country's history. I agree about social media though, I don't use it apart from LinkedIn, I watch the odd video on YouTube but that's about it . I wouldn't give Facebook twitter or Instagram the time of day . Back when we had 5 channels and before we had 24/7 news coverage we had to wait till the evening or ten o clock news to see what was going on . Now with round the clock coverage they need something to fill the airwaves and that's why all this woke nonsense gets so much attention and as a consequence treacles down into the rest of society. If we didn't watch the news we'd be none the wiser. I've never been out and about in my daily life and ever at any point had anyone speak to me about gender or pronouns or "white privilege" . The media push this narrative to keep us divided. I blame the media for causing the rift and the idiots that get suckered in by it , namely the teachers and other woke institutions. An NHS Trust spent thousands recently on painting some zebra crossings with rainbow stripes , meanwhile they are moaning that they are underfunded. All in the name of wokery |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 11:58:36 GMT
I disagree with all of that mate apart from the division thing. Yes we are divided and the division is so entrenched I can't see us being unified any time soon which is a shame but it is what it is . Well of course you do because it's not a nice thing to have to admit that you are basically being played into worrying about something that will have zero impact on you or anyone else you know, instead of worrying why there's no chance of an ambulance reaching you before you die when you have a heart attack or stroke or other life-threatening event. I disagree with it because you are wrong. Leave the kids alone. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2022 12:19:09 GMT
Well of course you do because it's not a nice thing to have to admit that you are basically being played into worrying about something that will have zero impact on you or anyone else you know, instead of worrying why there's no chance of an ambulance reaching you before you die when you have a heart attack or stroke or other life-threatening event. I disagree with it because you are wrong. Leave the kids alone. It's definitely not wrong to be more concerned about all those genuinely affecting things I listed, than something that will have zero impact on your life. Get over it. Stop being played. You're being taken for a fool because the right knows how easy it is to get people like you to hate some section of society, that's why they do it. Over and over, just different targets. In five years, you won't be going on about "wokery", you'll be stressed about something else they want you to focus on, probably NetZero would be my guess. Think about why "wokery" will no longer be the thing that mattered above everything else to you! I bet seven years ago it was all about immigration for you. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 12:24:43 GMT
Nobody is forcing it down your throat. Avoid social media and you will barely hear about it. The only kids involved are those who don’t feel right with their gender and then it is an issue for them and their family and they should take advice. Nobody is forcing children to change genders. They are mate , look at some of the homework kids are being sent home with, look at some of the teachers . Teachers are there to teach not to brainwash and spread their propaganda . It's not just gender neither, it's the teaching of kids to hate their own country's history. I agree about social media though, I don't use it apart from LinkedIn, I watch the odd video on YouTube but that's about it . I wouldn't give Facebook twitter or Instagram the time of day . Back when we had 5 channels and before we had 24/7 news coverage we had to wait till the evening or ten o clock news to see what was going on . Now with round the clock coverage they need something to fill the airwaves and that's why all this woke nonsense gets so much attention and as a consequence treacles down into the rest of society. If we didn't watch the news we'd be none the wiser. I've never been out and about in my daily life and ever at any point had anyone speak to me about gender or pronouns or "white privilege" . The media push this narrative to keep us divided. I blame the media for causing the rift and the idiots that get suckered in by it , namely the teachers and other woke institutions. An NHS Trust spent thousands recently on painting some zebra crossings with rainbow stripes , meanwhile they are moaning that they are underfunded. All in the name of wokery I’m not sure what schools your kids go to, but mine don’t have any of that. I was taught about the horrors slavery and empire inflicted on locals. I don’t hate my country as a result. It also taught me about respecting others and other cultures, something you take huge issue with, clearly. Why should we only be taught that everything Brits have done in the past is good? Why shouldn’t people celebrate minority cultures like LGBTQ+, different races etc. What’s wrong with that? You are part of the cancel culture if you oppose it. You say yourself that you have never met anyone who talks about gender, so perhaps accept that you don’t understand the subject. Banning all discussions about it is what they tried to do with homosexuality, and that must have been awful for many people. Let people live their lives. It is none of your business if it doesn’t impact you. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 17, 2022 12:46:59 GMT
Nobody is forcing you or your kids to do anything. It is of course your choice, but if I were you, I wouldn’t try to persuade me by linking to Andrew Tate, a man filmed beating his wife with a belt, who believes victims of sexual assault should take some responsibility for being assaulted, for saying depression isn’t real, who moved to Romania because he said it was easier to get away with rape, and who is under investigation for human trafficking. If anything, the fact scum like him get famous and make money out of his disgusting comments shows society is messed up, but certainly not because we are overly woke about about rapists and mental health. They are trying to force their woke views on the rest of us and that's the issue. Weather you like or agree with Tate as a person isn't the issue though, do you agree with what he's saying in that clip ?[/b] Well well, if it isn’t Public Enema Number One, relentlessly spouting off more far right bollocks  So I take it you’d have no issue quoting, say, Hitler, on something like civil engineering? He was tremendously efficient at it, after all. Ps. if only you’d put as much time into researching how to spell where you “live” when you first set up this account |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 12:50:28 GMT
They are mate , look at some of the homework kids are being sent home with, look at some of the teachers . Teachers are there to teach not to brainwash and spread their propaganda . It's not just gender neither, it's the teaching of kids to hate their own country's history. I agree about social media though, I don't use it apart from LinkedIn, I watch the odd video on YouTube but that's about it . I wouldn't give Facebook twitter or Instagram the time of day . Back when we had 5 channels and before we had 24/7 news coverage we had to wait till the evening or ten o clock news to see what was going on . Now with round the clock coverage they need something to fill the airwaves and that's why all this woke nonsense gets so much attention and as a consequence treacles down into the rest of society. If we didn't watch the news we'd be none the wiser. I've never been out and about in my daily life and ever at any point had anyone speak to me about gender or pronouns or "white privilege" . The media push this narrative to keep us divided. I blame the media for causing the rift and the idiots that get suckered in by it , namely the teachers and other woke institutions. An NHS Trust spent thousands recently on painting some zebra crossings with rainbow stripes , meanwhile they are moaning that they are underfunded. All in the name of wokery I’m not sure what schools your kids go to, but mine don’t have any of that. I was taught about the horrors slavery and empire inflicted on locals. I don’t hate my country as a result. It also taught me about respecting others and other cultures, something you take huge issue with, clearly. Why should we only be taught that everything Brits have done in the past is good? Why shouldn’t people celebrate minority cultures like LGBTQ+, different races etc. What’s wrong with that? You are part of the cancel culture if you oppose it. You say yourself that you have never met anyone who talks about gender, so perhaps accept that you don’t understand the subject. Banning all discussions about it is what they tried to do with homosexuality, and that must have been awful for many people. Let people live their lives. It is none of your business if it doesn’t impact you. Sounds like you are intentionally ignoring what I said and twisting what I said to suit your agenda mate , in which case rather than go round in circles let's just pretend that you win |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 17, 2022 12:52:39 GMT
I disagree with it because you are wrong. Leave the kids alone. It's definitely not wrong to be more concerned about all those genuinely affecting things I listed, than something that will have zero impact on your life. Get over it. Stop being played. You're being taken for a fool because the right knows how easy it is to get people like you to hate some section of society, that's why they do it. Over and over, just different targets. In five years, you won't be going on about "wokery", you'll be stressed about something else they want you to focus on, probably NetZero would be my guess. Think about why "wokery" will no longer be the thing that mattered above everything else to you! I bet seven years ago it was all about immigration for you. Immigration has never been an issue for me mate to be honest, not legal Immigration anyway . I get your points though and you raise some interesting facts and I can see why you think the way you think, although I don't hate anyone, not even the wokeys, I just feel sorry for the kids more than anything. |
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