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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 16, 2022 21:50:03 GMT
'British workers' are now the real problem apparently. Not other countries,or immigrants, but those outside of London are 'lazy'. tories, mocking the working class again. Yet some will still defend them. How on earth can voters in Stoke-on-Trent who voted Tory for the first time at the last election, listen to that and not feel like they've been mugged off? They hate us, we're absolute scum to them. Because of Labours wokery. That's why people in Stoke on Trent didn't vote for them, taking the knee , not being able to define what a women is, calling everyone racist when they aren't etc etc. It gets people's back up. Energy prices are important but so is the moral compass, sanity and soul of a society and by talking bollocks about pronouns, gender being "offended" at everything, and talking down to people as if they're thick they just make themselves look like cabbages , hence the Tory vote , it wasn't a vote for the Torys , it was a vote against Labour |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:00:39 GMT
How on earth can voters in Stoke-on-Trent who voted Tory for the first time at the last election, listen to that and not feel like they've been mugged off? They hate us, we're absolute scum to them. Because of Labours wokery. That's why people in Stoke on Trent didn't vote for them, taking the knee , not being able to define what a women is, calling everyone racist when they aren't etc etc. It gets people's back up. Energy prices are important but so is the moral compass, sanity and soul of a society and by talking bollocks about pronouns, gender being "offended" at everything, and talking down to people as if they're thick they just make themselves look like cabbages , hence the Tory vote , it wasn't a vote for the Torys , it was a vote against Labour You'd rather vote for somebody who thinks you're scum, than vote for somebody because you consider them to be too 'woke'? Fair enough mate. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 16, 2022 22:03:27 GMT
Because of Labours wokery. That's why people in Stoke on Trent didn't vote for them, taking the knee , not being able to define what a women is, calling everyone racist when they aren't etc etc. It gets people's back up. Energy prices are important but so is the moral compass, sanity and soul of a society and by talking bollocks about pronouns, gender being "offended" at everything, and talking down to people as if they're thick they just make themselves look like cabbages , hence the Tory vote , it wasn't a vote for the Torys , it was a vote against Labour You'd rather vote for somebody who thinks you're scum, than vote for somebody because you consider them to be too 'woke'? Fair enough mate. Labour think we're scum as well mate. I believe in family values and decency and morals and community spirit , all things that Labour dispise. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:08:01 GMT
You'd rather vote for somebody who thinks you're scum, than vote for somebody because you consider them to be too 'woke'? Fair enough mate. Labour think we're scum as well mate. I believe in family values and decency and morals and community spirit , all things that Labour dispise. So why did you vote Tory, if they're as bad as each other? |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 16, 2022 22:12:21 GMT
Labour think we're scum as well mate. I believe in family values and decency and morals and community spirit , all things that Labour dispise. So why did you vote Tory, if they're as bad as each other? Who said I voted Tory? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:14:46 GMT
So why did you vote Tory, if they're as bad as each other? Who said I voted Tory? Didn't you? Or were you answering why, on the behalf of others? |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 16, 2022 22:17:58 GMT
Didn't you? Or were you answering why, on the behalf of others? I was telling you the reason, responding to your post where you were telling people how to think , another thing that gets people's backs up |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:20:27 GMT
Didn't you? Or were you answering why, on the behalf of others? I was telling you the reason, responding to your post where you were telling people how to think , another thing that gets people's backs up I asked a question, that's not telling people anything. But you actually, have elected to tell me, what other people think, it would appear. |
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Post by Gods on Aug 16, 2022 22:21:39 GMT
Liz Truss now 1/11 on to be the next PM.
I know the Conservative Party wanted a proper contest and not a succession again but the game is well and truly up for Sunak.
Most party members vote more or less straight away and Sunak has lost already.
He should really throw in the towel and let the new leader get on with trying to manage the post-covid shutdown / Ukraine war /double digit inflation / cost of living crisis.
There is nothing but trouble ahead so it is time to call 'time' on a leadership election which is already decided.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:24:48 GMT
Liz Truss now 1/11 on to be the next PM. I know the Conservative Party wanted a proper contest and not a succession again but the game is well and truly up for Sunak. Most party members vote more or less straight away and Sunak has lost already. He should really throw in the towel and let the new leader get on with trying to manage the post-covid shutdown / Ukraine war /double digit inflation / cost of living crisis. It was over the moment Badenoch was knocked out mate, even with four to go. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 22:28:03 GMT
Liz Truss now 1/11 on to be the next PM. I know the Conservative Party wanted a proper contest and not a succession again but the game is well and truly up for Sunak. Most party members vote more or less straight away and Sunak has lost already. He should really throw in the towel and let the new leader get on with trying to manage the post-covid shutdown / Ukraine war /double digit inflation / cost of living crisis. It was over the moment Badenoch was knocked out mate, even with four to go. I though Penny M had a much better chance and was surprised to see her out. Not that she’d have been much better mind |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 16, 2022 22:29:36 GMT
I was telling you the reason, responding to your post where you were telling people how to think , another thing that gets people's backs up I asked a question, that's not telling people anything. But you actually, have elected to tell me, what other people think, it would appear. Do a survey mate then tell me I'm wrong 😉 |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 16, 2022 22:37:03 GMT
I was telling you the reason, responding to your post where you were telling people how to think , another thing that gets people's backs up I asked a question, that's not telling people anything. But you actually, have elected to tell me, what other people think, it would appear. I've re read your comment that I replied to and your right, I don't think you were telling people what to think so I apologise. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:38:11 GMT
I asked a question, that's not telling people anything. But you actually, have elected to tell me, what other people think, it would appear. Do a survey mate then tell me I'm wrong 😉 Did I say you were? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:39:05 GMT
I asked a question, that's not telling people anything. But you actually, have elected to tell me, what other people think, it would appear. I've re read your comment that I replied to and your right, I don't think you were telling people what to think so I apologise. Fair do's AP. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:44:08 GMT
It was over the moment Badenoch was knocked out mate, even with four to go. I though Penny M had a much better chance and was surprised to see her out. Not that she’d have been much better mind Myself and FM had this convo on the afternoon Badenoch was knocked out ... I can't see the Tory members voting for Truss, when they see her lack of substance on display all summer. Starmer would absolutely destroy her. Grapey, I absolutely CAN see the party members voting for her.
The race is over imo.
Even though she is going to be an utter disaster for the country, for the Tory membership, she was always going to be the best of the remaing four by miles, the other three never stood a chance.
The worry is a) how much damage she can do to the nation in two years or (even worse) b) she goes to the country early and wins, and then we get her potentially for another five years, god forbid.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 22:52:57 GMT
I though Penny M had a much better chance and was surprised to see her out. Not that she’d have been much better mind Myself and FM had this convo on the afternoon Badenoch was knocked out ... Grapey, I absolutely CAN see the party members voting for her.
The race is over imo. Very prescient Paul, what’ll be the score tomorrow and I’ll make a few quid at the bookies 🤣 I’d have thought the MP’s themselves would have preferred PM than Truss, you were obviously right what was your logic/though process? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 16, 2022 22:57:26 GMT
Myself and FM had this convo on the afternoon Badenoch was knocked out ... Very prescient Paul, what’ll be the score tomorrow and I’ll make a few quid at the bookies 🤣 I’d have thought the MP’s themselves would have preferred PM than Truss, you were obviously right what was your logic/though process?
I thought once Badenoch had gone, the entirety of the right wing of the party would swing behind Truss, especially the ERG, who saw Truss as being far more maluable and prone to their influence than Mordaunt and then the membership would undoubtedly prefer Truss over Sunak, as she would simply tell them anything and everything they wanted to hear, just like Johnson did. She would sell her gran to become PM.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2022 6:54:46 GMT
Didn't take long, did it? The reason the UK is in a mess is nothing to do with us, it's you, the peasants, you're feckless and idle and need to work harder. Maybe take a second or third job. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62571016 |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 17, 2022 7:50:26 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is.
The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election.
Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 8:06:52 GMT
'British workers' are now the real problem apparently. Not other countries,or immigrants, but those outside of London are 'lazy'. tories, mocking the working class again. Yet some will still defend them. This is nothing new. Our soon to be PM and the favourite to be named her Chancellor (Kwasi Kwarteng) in their piece “Britannia Unchained” said British workers were the “worst idlers in the world.” It was also written by Dominic Raab and Priti Patel. It sounds a little like they are doing our country down to me! |
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 17, 2022 8:16:54 GMT
You'd rather vote for somebody who thinks you're scum, than vote for somebody because you consider them to be too 'woke'? Fair enough mate. Labour think we're scum as well mate. I believe in family values and decency and morals and community spirit , all things that Labour dispise. Family values - you mean like Boris Johnson, father of god knows how many children with god knows how many women. Compared with family man Starmer Decency - like the multiple tory MPs currently under investigation for sexual assault and rape, and the convicted sex offender. Compared with the former director of prosecutions who put people like those tories away Morals - see above. And see Partygate. Compared with the man who said if he has been found to break the rules then he will resign. Community spirit - are you telling me that there is more community spirit now than 12 years ago? Labour doesn’t despise the above. All the above have got so much worse since the tories took power. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2022 8:17:00 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is. The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election. Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election. Overturn an 80 seat majority? He'd be doing well. Once the Tories choose their new leader and the election approaches the right-wing Press will start getting stuck into Starmer. He's sensibly given them very little to get stuck into so far, drinking a bottle of beer aside obviously, and even that led to a dozen Daily Mail front pages! I agree that the Tory Party is out of ideas (and out of touch - when has it not been?) but once the media starts the usual "For all their faults - still the best choice for the country" stuff, enough of the electorate will come round. You have to remember that eight or nine out of ten people haven't any interest or clue about politics. Sunak would probably beat Starmer, in terms of Tory leadership choice outside of the membership he seems more popular with the country overall, including floating voters most importantly, but it looks like the Tory membership are going to make the same mistake they made with Bozo. Elect some idiot who tells them what they want to hear but is basically incompetent. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2022 8:19:46 GMT
'British workers' are now the real problem apparently. Not other countries,or immigrants, but those outside of London are 'lazy'. tories, mocking the working class again. Yet some will still defend them. This is nothing new. Our soon to be PM and the favourite to be named her Chancellor (Kwasi Kwarteng) in their piece “Britannia Unchained” said British workers were the “worst idlers in the world.” It was also written by Dominic Raab and Priti Patel. It sounds a little like they are doing our country down to me! I do wish she'd stop knocking the country.... |
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 17, 2022 8:44:14 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is. The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election. Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election. Overturn an 80 seat majority? He'd be doing well. Once the Tories choose their new leader and the election approaches the right-wing Press will start getting stuck into Starmer. He's sensibly given them very little to get stuck into so far, drinking a bottle of beer aside obviously, and even that led to a dozen Daily Mail front pages! I agree that the Tory Party is out of ideas (and out of touch - when has it not been?) but once the media starts the usual "For all their faults - still the best choice for the country" stuff, enough of the electorate will come round. You have to remember that eight or nine out of ten people haven't any interest or clue about politics. Sunak would probably beat Starmer, in terms of Tory leadership choice outside of the membership he seems more popular with the country overall, including floating voters most importantly, but it looks like the Tory membership are going to make the same mistake they made with Bozo. Elect some idiot who tells them what they want to hear but is basically incompetent. I view Truss as more a Tory mistake similar to Ian Duncan Smith - zero charisma, membership love her but floating voters say 'no thanks'. Obviously she'll be PM though so she'll have the benefit of actually being able to deliver policy pre-election and she also has the advantage of being up against someone (Starmer) who is equally uncharismatic. If a Tony Blair type leader was on the scene, the Tories would be facing annihilation but I suspect a reduced Tory majority or hung parliament is on the cards. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 17, 2022 8:48:16 GMT
Labour think we're scum as well mate. I believe in family values and decency and morals and community spirit , all things that Labour dispise. Family values - you mean like Boris Johnson, father of god knows how many children with god knows how many women. Compared with family man Starmer Decency - like the multiple tory MPs currently under investigation for sexual assault and rape, and the convicted sex offender. Compared with the former director of prosecutions who put people like those tories away Morals - see above. And see Partygate. Compared with the man who said if he has been found to break the rules then he will resign. Community spirit - are you telling me that there is more community spirit now than 12 years ago? Labour doesn’t despise the above. All the above have got so much worse since the tories took power. Massively reducing a community’s ability to assemble and protest ain’t done a lot for community spirit either. |
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 17, 2022 8:49:12 GMT
Back in the real world Liz, the laziest fuck in the country is the leader of the Conservative party.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 17, 2022 9:05:39 GMT
This is nothing new. Our soon to be PM and the favourite to be named her Chancellor (Kwasi Kwarteng) in their piece “Britannia Unchained” said British workers were the “worst idlers in the world.” It was also written by Dominic Raab and Priti Patel. It sounds a little like they are doing our country down to me! I do wish she'd stop knocking the country.... If they think it's better abroad then perhaps they should f**k off there then.....😉 |
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Post by knype on Aug 17, 2022 9:07:35 GMT
I don’t think it matters much who the next PM is. The Tory party is completely out of ideas about how to address the problems facing this country something that will hit them hard at the next election. Which means Starmer will be the PM after the next election. Starmer wtaf, if he is half as bad a PM as he is as opposition leader then we are doomed! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 9:11:54 GMT
How on earth can voters in Stoke-on-Trent who voted Tory for the first time at the last election, listen to that and not feel like they've been mugged off? They hate us, we're absolute scum to them. Because of Labours wokery. That's why people in Stoke on Trent didn't vote for them, taking the knee , not being able to define what a women is, calling everyone racist when they aren't etc etc. It gets people's back up. Energy prices are important but so is the moral compass, sanity and soul of a society and by talking bollocks about pronouns, gender being "offended" at everything, and talking down to people as if they're thick they just make themselves look like cabbages , hence the Tory vote , it wasn't a vote for the Torys , it was a vote against Labour this is a genuine question, not in anyway trying to claim points. having seen and heard how bad the tories are affecting our/your life in terms of bills, the destruction of democracy, law and order etc .... and in your opinion Labour is too woke and not representing the working person, who do you vote for in the next election? would you still expect people to vote against labour, knowing full well that the tories are hardly likely to fix things, or would you expect people to begrudgingly vote labour and put up with what is conceived as woke nonsense? |
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