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Post by Foster on Aug 6, 2022 4:51:37 GMT
I'm always sceptical of short video clips that can easily be edited to show something completely out of context. I'd rather see the entire video or at least what he is responding to before laying into him. For example, if the town he is in has already had most of it's funding removed by a Labour policy then someone may have asked him... 'We've had all our funding removed by the Labour government, is there anything you can do to help get some of it back?'. In this case, RS did reply saying Labour had put ALL of the funding into urban areas and he had taken some back. This doesn't mean that the poorer urban areas wouldn't still get more funding than the rural ones, it just means that the rural ones would get back a little more of what they originally had. Anyway, I'm aware that this is the Tory party I'm talking about, but in general I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, until I know all of the facts. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2022 8:13:46 GMT
I'm always sceptical of short video clips that can easily be edited to show something completely out of context. I'd rather see the entire video or at least what he is responding to before laying into him. For example, if the town he is in has already had most of it's funding removed by a Labour policy then someone may have asked him... 'We've had all our funding removed by the Labour government, is there anything you can do to help get some of it back?'. In this case, RS did reply saying Labour had put ALL of the funding into urban areas and he had taken some back. This doesn't mean that the poorer urban areas wouldn't still get more funding than the rural ones, it just means that the rural ones would get back a little more of what they originally had. Anyway, I'm aware that this is the Tory party I'm talking about, but in general I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, until I know all of the facts. It's a fair point which has, not surprisingly, drawn the support of the Tory defence committee!, but if he was asked that question or something similar which prompted such a reply, surely the context should be "what the fuck have you lot been doing for the last twelve years?" As always, it's the Labour government or that nebulous thing "the Left" that is forever to blame despite being out of power for 30 of the last 43 years. The sheer impotence of successive Tory governments to actually do what they say they're going to do never ceases to amaze! Quite happy to watch the whole thing but since he is personally claiming credit for taking money from deprived urban areas and he has only been chancellor for two years, I'd be surprised frankly if he was doing anything other than explaining quite clearly to the country exactly how the Tory Party feels about making ordinary people's lives in deprived areas remotely better, ie fuck 'em. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 6, 2022 8:47:12 GMT
I'm always sceptical of short video clips that can easily be edited to show something completely out of context. I'd rather see the entire video or at least what he is responding to before laying into him. For example, if the town he is in has already had most of it's funding removed by a Labour policy then someone may have asked him... 'We've had all our funding removed by the Labour government, is there anything you can do to help get some of it back?'. In this case, RS did reply saying Labour had put ALL of the funding into urban areas and he had taken some back. This doesn't mean that the poorer urban areas wouldn't still get more funding than the rural ones, it just means that the rural ones would get back a little more of what they originally had. Anyway, I'm aware that this is the Tory party I'm talking about, but in general I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, until I know all of the facts. Correct, its all about context, I've seen his explanation and it sounds genuine. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 6, 2022 9:13:19 GMT
I'm always sceptical of short video clips that can easily be edited to show something completely out of context. I'd rather see the entire video or at least what he is responding to before laying into him. For example, if the town he is in has already had most of it's funding removed by a Labour policy then someone may have asked him... 'We've had all our funding removed by the Labour government, is there anything you can do to help get some of it back?'. In this case, RS did reply saying Labour had put ALL of the funding into urban areas and he had taken some back. This doesn't mean that the poorer urban areas wouldn't still get more funding than the rural ones, it just means that the rural ones would get back a little more of what they originally had. Anyway, I'm aware that this is the Tory party I'm talking about, but in general I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, until I know all of the facts. If that was the case, don't you think Sunak's team would have said as much? But no, they actually doubled down on the specific comments he made in the video ... www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-defends-leaked-video-27671816 |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2022 9:34:04 GMT
I'm always sceptical of short video clips that can easily be edited to show something completely out of context. I'd rather see the entire video or at least what he is responding to before laying into him. For example, if the town he is in has already had most of it's funding removed by a Labour policy then someone may have asked him... 'We've had all our funding removed by the Labour government, is there anything you can do to help get some of it back?'. In this case, RS did reply saying Labour had put ALL of the funding into urban areas and he had taken some back. This doesn't mean that the poorer urban areas wouldn't still get more funding than the rural ones, it just means that the rural ones would get back a little more of what they originally had. Anyway, I'm aware that this is the Tory party I'm talking about, but in general I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, until I know all of the facts. If that was the case, don't you think Sunak's team would have said as much? But no, they actually doubled down on the specific comments he made in the video ... www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-defends-leaked-video-27671816That ain’t correct. He ain’t doubling down. He’s now explaining what he meant to say (if we are being generous and accept he “misspoke”). And what he says now is perfectly reasonable. Unlike his original comments which were deplorable. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 6, 2022 9:36:50 GMT
That ain’t correct. He ain’t doubling down. He’s now explaining what he meant to say (if we are being generous and accept he “misspoke”). And what he says now is perfectly reasonable. Unlike his original comments which were deplorable. His comments sound bad when taken from a snippet but after hearing the context and his explanation I'm happy with what was said . Just shows that context is everything. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 6, 2022 10:08:45 GMT
That ain’t correct. He ain’t doubling down. He’s now explaining what he meant to say (if we are being generous and accept he “misspoke”). And what he says now is perfectly reasonable. Unlike his original comments which were deplorable. His comments sound bad when taken from a snippet but after hearing the context and his explanation I'm happy with what was said . Just shows that context is everything. His comments were bad. No getting away from that. |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 6, 2022 10:14:25 GMT
I'm always sceptical of short video clips that can easily be edited to show something completely out of context. I'd rather see the entire video or at least what he is responding to before laying into him. For example, if the town he is in has already had most of it's funding removed by a Labour policy then someone may have asked him... 'We've had all our funding removed by the Labour government, is there anything you can do to help get some of it back?'. In this case, RS did reply saying Labour had put ALL of the funding into urban areas and he had taken some back. This doesn't mean that the poorer urban areas wouldn't still get more funding than the rural ones, it just means that the rural ones would get back a little more of what they originally had. Anyway, I'm aware that this is the Tory party I'm talking about, but in general I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, until I know all of the facts. I suspect there is probably a less sinister reason he made these comments and I know its going to be hard for some people to accept but Politicians tell lies. I think Rishi when speaking to the good people of Royal Tunbridge Wells on whom he was hoping would vote for him told them exactly what they wanted to hear, shocking I know. Rishi or indeed the Treasury did indeed change the Funding Criteria in Green Book in March 2020. It placed the emphasis on 2 things to secure funding 1.The Leveling Up Agenda This in itself creates a creative ambiguity because there is no definition of what Leveling Up means so it can mean all things to all people This ambiguity also gives Rishi a bit of a pass as I'm sure if he looked hard enough there may be some area/project in the Royal Borough that could do with a few Bob. The second Criteria under these supposed new rules on which funding is approved is Net Zero another suitably ambiguous target depending on which day of the week it is or who's at war with whom I say supposed because although the new rules were proposed in March 2020 The HoC Committee were due to report their findings on the suitability of new rules by February 2021 but the poor lambs have been so busy no report has been forthcoming as of yet If you have the desire you can read all about it here lordslibrary.parliament.uk/government-investment-programmes-the-green-book/ |
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 6, 2022 10:40:37 GMT
Whatever he had in mind, his comments were ambiguous and meant for an audience who just wanted to hear that they would get some extra cash even if it was at the expense of poorer areas. So, regarding what he said, would he have said this to an audience in Stoke? I doubt it or he would have been tarred and feathered and thrown in the Trent. He's just another slimy politician seeking power.
OS.
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2022 10:52:18 GMT
Whatever he had in mind, his comments were ambiguous and meant for an audience who just wanted to hear that they would get some extra cash even if it was at the expense of poorer areas. So, regarding what he said, would he have said this to an audience in Stoke? I doubt it or he would have been tarred and feathered and thrown in the Trent. He's just another slimy politician seeking power. OS. Didn't think he was being ambiguous |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 7, 2022 0:07:14 GMT
Get your Ballots in!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2022 8:16:02 GMT
Strange way of "explaining" his comments, if you ask me.
"People came from all over Kent to hear that speech". The implication being that this included Tories from deprived areas, which are most likely to be urban areas like Thanet, Margate, the Medway towns, not places like Tunbridge Wells (average house price £550,000). In which case, why are you potentially penalising those people in those deprived areas by telling them you changed the funding formulas so that places like Tunbridge Wells can benefit instead?
It's bullshit anyway, look at the audience listening to him in that clip, almost entirely old and white, and probably quite well off thank you very much. It might be a small section of it, but I'd wager that it's representative of the audience as a whole.
Not buying it. Whilst it's true that he was telling Tories in an affluent part of the world what they want to hear (nothing new in that), it was also true that it revealed precisely what they think about people in places like Stoke.
Naively, I thought the role of the government was to make people's lives better, and that the poorer you are the more attention the government should be giving you? I'd always assumed that this was fundamentally the problem with Conservatives, that they just don't believe in that. Good, at least, to see it confirmed once and for all by the very man who controls the purse strings.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 7, 2022 12:50:44 GMT
Strange way of "explaining" his comments, if you ask me. "People came from all over Kent to hear that speech". The implication being that this included Tories from deprived areas, which are most likely to be urban areas like Thanet, Margate, the Medway towns, not places like Tunbridge Wells (average house price £550,000). In which case, why are you potentially penalising those people in those deprived areas by telling them you changed the funding formulas so that places like Tunbridge Wells can benefit instead? It's bullshit anyway, look at the audience listening to him in that clip, almost entirely old and white, and probably quite well off thank you very much. It might be a small section of it, but I'd wager that it's representative of the audience as a whole. Not buying it. Whilst it's true that he was telling Tories in an affluent part of the world what they want to hear (nothing new in that), it was also true that it revealed precisely what they think about people in places like Stoke. Naively, I thought the role of the government was to make people's lives better, and that the poorer you are the more attention the government should be giving you? I'd always assumed that this was fundamentally the problem with Conservatives, that they just don't believe in that. Good, at least, to see it confirmed once and for all by the very man who controls the purse strings. There’s a Waitrose in Tunbridge Wells, there isn’t one in Glasgow, Manchester or Liverpool. I’m just glad someone is thinking about the affluent rural areas where the suffering must be unimaginable. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2022 14:44:42 GMT
I see the Mail is back banging the migrants drum.
Interesting timing. Possibly trying to re-build that message that we're effectively under attack from a migrant swarm, which worked so well during the referendum.
Nice little distraction from the cost of living crisis, inflation and the likely recession and a chance for Truss to sound tough and appeal to those who respond well to this kind of message.
Wonder if the Express will adopt a similar approach.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 7, 2022 15:02:24 GMT
I see the Mail is back banging the migrants drum. Interesting timing. Possibly trying to re-build that message that we're effectively under attack from a migrant swarm, which worked so well during the referendum. Nice little distraction from the cost of living crisis, inflation and the likely recession and a chance for Truss to sound tough and appeal to those who respond well to this kind of message. Wonder if the Express will adopt a similar approach. I think it's actually part of how they intend to deal with the cost of living crisis etc. If plan a) basically blame the poor for being poor fails, then it's plan b) them bloody immigrants. All designed to encourage people to look sideways or down rather than up. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 8, 2022 4:50:56 GMT
Silly old me for thinking that when Truss said she won't give more handouts she meant she might give more handouts.
I'm sure she will fund them with tax cuts not yet announced, along with more tax cuts on top of that to fund the £8 billion hole in the economic plan she had lined up by regional pay boards.
Good to see the country's finances are safe in the hands of the Tories.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2022 11:07:50 GMT
Strange way of "explaining" his comments, if you ask me. "People came from all over Kent to hear that speech". The implication being that this included Tories from deprived areas, which are most likely to be urban areas like Thanet, Margate, the Medway towns, not places like Tunbridge Wells (average house price £550,000). In which case, why are you potentially penalising those people in those deprived areas by telling them you changed the funding formulas so that places like Tunbridge Wells can benefit instead? It's bullshit anyway, look at the audience listening to him in that clip, almost entirely old and white, and probably quite well off thank you very much. It might be a small section of it, but I'd wager that it's representative of the audience as a whole. Not buying it. Whilst it's true that he was telling Tories in an affluent part of the world what they want to hear (nothing new in that), it was also true that it revealed precisely what they think about people in places like Stoke. Naively, I thought the role of the government was to make people's lives better, and that the poorer you are the more attention the government should be giving you? I'd always assumed that this was fundamentally the problem with Conservatives, that they just don't believe in that. Good, at least, to see it confirmed once and for all by the very man who controls the purse strings. There’s a Waitrose in Tunbridge Wells, there isn’t one in Glasgow, Manchester or Liverpool. I’m just glad someone is thinking about the affluent rural areas where the suffering must be unimaginable. Weird that. I guess the one at the top of Byres Road opposite Oran Mor must have closed it’s doors overnight. And the ones in Milngave and Newton Mearns don’t really count as they are in the ‘burbs not really Glasgow. Not that it affects me much, I’ve a Lidl across the road which does for me very nicely. |
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Post by upthefud on Aug 9, 2022 15:54:47 GMT
If the election was tomorrow my voting would be:
1. Rishi
2. Keir
3. Anyone but Liz
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Post by elystokie on Aug 9, 2022 16:19:18 GMT
There’s a Waitrose in Tunbridge Wells, there isn’t one in Glasgow, Manchester or Liverpool. I’m just glad someone is thinking about the affluent rural areas where the suffering must be unimaginable. Weird that. I guess the one at the top of Byres Road opposite Oran Mor must have closed it’s doors overnight. And the ones in Milngave and Newton Mearns don’t really count as they are in the ‘burbs not really Glasgow. Not that it affects me much, I’ve a Lidl across the road which does for me very nicely. I used to like the odd wander around Waitrose, they used to give you a free tea or coffee and the newspaper of your choice  Their curries are excellent and they do some men's toiletries called Rock Face that I can't find anywhere else  But given a choice between the two give me Lidl all day every day  |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 9, 2022 16:45:01 GMT
If the election was tomorrow my voting would be: 1. Rishi 2. Keir 3. Anyone but Liz Up, Personally, I don't particularly want to vote for any of them. I believe that many ( most) people are of the same frame of mind.....including the roughly 30% of the electorate who don't bother to vote. At present it seems that national politics has degenerated into a total abyss. The main debates on the Oatcake seem to revolve around criticising the government, a very easy target, but there doesn't seem to be an inspiring alternative.....perhaps some can argue on the basis of " The lesser of two evils" or " anything is better than these "....particularly given the portrayal as serial liars. At a time when the country / world has never before faced so many challenges in its recent history....at least since the war. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2022 16:59:07 GMT
Weird that. I guess the one at the top of Byres Road opposite Oran Mor must have closed it’s doors overnight. And the ones in Milngave and Newton Mearns don’t really count as they are in the ‘burbs not really Glasgow. Not that it affects me much, I’ve a Lidl across the road which does for me very nicely. I used to like the odd wander around Waitrose, they used to give you a free tea or coffee and the newspaper of your choice Their curries are excellent and they do some men's toiletries called Rock Face that I can't find anywhere else But given a choice between the two give me Lidl all day every day Neither serve up mince though like some of the posters on this mb… in both quantity and quality. |
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Post by yeokel on Aug 9, 2022 17:25:48 GMT
Weird that. I guess the one at the top of Byres Road opposite Oran Mor must have closed it’s doors overnight. And the ones in Milngave and Newton Mearns don’t really count as they are in the ‘burbs not really Glasgow. Not that it affects me much, I’ve a Lidl across the road which does for me very nicely. I used to like the odd wander around Waitrose, they used to give you a free tea or coffee and the newspaper of your choice Their curries are excellent and they do some men's toiletries called Rock Face that I can't find anywhere else But given a choice between the two give me Lidl all day every day I’m in the fortunate position that one of our local Waitrose is right next door to Lidl. I use both every time I go shopping and what money I save in Lidl I spend in Waitrose on one or two nonessential luxuries. Nice |
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Post by elystokie on Aug 9, 2022 17:29:10 GMT
I used to like the odd wander around Waitrose, they used to give you a free tea or coffee and the newspaper of your choice Their curries are excellent and they do some men's toiletries called Rock Face that I can't find anywhere else But given a choice between the two give me Lidl all day every day I’m in the fortunate position that one of our local Waitrose is right next door to Lidl. I use both every time I go shopping and what money I save in Lidl I spend in Waitrose on one or two nonessential luxuries. Nice I used to do the same but with Aldi They do some excellent produce, the fish counter at the one in Ely was excellent, but it wasn't cheap then, probably eye watering now. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 11, 2022 15:03:06 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2022 15:11:13 GMT
It's probably knicker wetting to be concerned about the state of the NHS and other public services... |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 11, 2022 15:30:22 GMT
I’m trying to imagine Liz Truss leading/running the country, nope, still can’t wrap my head around it…🙈
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Post by sevvy on Aug 11, 2022 19:54:59 GMT
Weird that. I guess the one at the top of Byres Road opposite Oran Mor must have closed it’s doors overnight. And the ones in Milngave and Newton Mearns don’t really count as they are in the ‘burbs not really Glasgow. Not that it affects me much, I’ve a Lidl across the road which does for me very nicely. I used to like the odd wander around Waitrose, they used to give you a free tea or coffee and the newspaper of your choice Their curries are excellent and they do some men's toiletries called Rock Face that I can't find anywhere else But given a choice between the two give me Lidl all day every day Pretty sure I got my last rock face product in a Tesco (Leicestershire) and it was on offer! |
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Post by elystokie on Aug 11, 2022 20:03:46 GMT
I used to like the odd wander around Waitrose, they used to give you a free tea or coffee and the newspaper of your choice Their curries are excellent and they do some men's toiletries called Rock Face that I can't find anywhere else But given a choice between the two give me Lidl all day every day Pretty sure I got my last rock face product in a Tesco (Leicestershire) and it was on offer! I'll have a look next time I'm in, not the Leicester one obviously, cheers |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 12, 2022 21:13:15 GMT
Impossible to believe that either of these could get the top job in the country
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 12, 2022 21:25:51 GMT
What with all us who are of the opinion the Tory party are just a bunch of self-serving , lying, rule-breaking tossers intent on inflicting yet another dreadful PM on the country, it would be interesting to hear from anyone of a different political persuasion on here who is genuinely excited by what either of the candidates offers to the UK.
I can only assume the silence so far is due to embarrassment in recognition that both are truly awful.
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