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Post by Foster on Jul 26, 2022 11:20:59 GMT
Indeed. Sunak at least appears to have an air of pragmatism about him. Truss - to me at least- comes across as an economically illiterate divisive populist who - like her boss - fancies the trappings of office more than the responsibility that comes with it. "Taxes are not the same as interest rates" Thanks Liz - I never knew that. I might be imagining it , but didn't she imply that she'd leave the details ( as long as she is clear on the direction of travel)of the financial strategy to the Chancellor. Not a bad idea really, if we can move away from a presidential Prime Minister, to a " first amongst equals" Didn't she offer Sunak a job.... doing something he completely disagrees with. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 26, 2022 11:22:44 GMT
I'm still trying to work out what their polices are. Is Sunak proposing we have another ten years of the failed austerity program to pay back the Covid costs and Truss is saying we need to treat it as a sort of war debt to be paid over the next 50 years? What I do know is that ordinary people cannot cope with another ten years of austerity. Perhaps someone could enlighten me exactly what they're proposing to do. One thing that did piss me off during the debate was why the presenter chose to stray into dress sense rather than get some teeth into what they're going to do with the NHS. OS. Gets the Claires accessories voters on board. Probably something a lot of her voters understand better than basic economics. Edit: I think that's what swung it for BJR. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 11:28:37 GMT
I might be imagining it , but didn't she imply that she'd leave the details ( as long as she is clear on the direction of travel)of the financial strategy to the Chancellor. Not a bad idea really, if we can move away from a presidential Prime Minister, to a " first amongst equals" So if the chancellor's details don't add up to her direction then she'll presumably change her mind? Rather an odd line to take if you're set about trashing a former chancellor's approach - who presumably does understand tbe detail (and maybe something she struggled with whilst in the Treasury - where she didn't stay long). But then I find her rather an odd woman ("the closest you'll find in politics to properly crackers" according to Mr Cummings) It all remains to be seen. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 11:29:02 GMT
I might be imagining it , but didn't she imply that she'd leave the details ( as long as she is clear on the direction of travel)of the financial strategy to the Chancellor. Not a bad idea really, if we can move away from a presidential Prime Minister, to a " first amongst equals" Didn't she offer Sunak a job.... doing something he completely disagrees with. I don't know. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 11:31:02 GMT
I'm still trying to work out what their polices are. Is Sunak proposing we have another ten years of the failed austerity program to pay back the Covid costs and Truss is saying we need to treat it as a sort of war debt to be paid over the next 50 years? What I do know is that ordinary people cannot cope with another ten years of austerity. Perhaps someone could enlighten me exactly what they're proposing to do. One thing that did piss me off during the debate was why the presenter chose to stray into dress sense rather than get some teeth into what they're going to do with the NHS. OS. Gets the Claires accessories voters on board. Probably something a lot of her voters understand better than basic economics. Edit: I think that's what swung it for BJR. I don't think alot of people understand basic economics less so the more complex. Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 26, 2022 11:44:53 GMT
I'm still trying to work out what their polices are. Is Sunak proposing we have another ten years of the failed austerity program to pay back the Covid costs and Truss is saying we need to treat it as a sort of war debt to be paid over the next 50 years? What I do know is that ordinary people cannot cope with another ten years of austerity. Perhaps someone could enlighten me exactly what they're proposing to do. One thing that did piss me off during the debate was why the presenter chose to stray into dress sense rather than get some teeth into what they're going to do with the NHS. OS. Mick, Raworth was demonstrating how pathetic and puerile the Tories leadership contest had become, by highlighting the fact that cabinet ministers had now resorted to attacking the candidates dress sense. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 26, 2022 11:45:01 GMT
Gets the Claires accessories voters on board. Probably something a lot of her voters understand better than basic economics. Edit: I think that's what swung it for BJR. I don't think alot of people understand basic economics less so the more complex. Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. Wasn’t one of the killer lines for the leave campaign during the Brexit campaign that people have had enough of experts in this country? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 26, 2022 11:46:09 GMT
Gets the Claires accessories voters on board. Probably something a lot of her voters understand better than basic economics. Edit: I think that's what swung it for BJR. I don't think alot of people understand basic economics less so the more complex. Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. I remember when I left school most of the employers in my neck of the woods had five /six on the shop floor for every one in the office Then over the decades they took on more and more accountants and office staff until the ratio of 2/1 was more prevalent Sadly none of the major employers exist anymore this country has sadly been royally fucked over the last forty years by economists and accountants chasing ever greater paper profits and forecasts Half the time you’d be better off trusting your horoscope in the local rag |
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Post by Foster on Jul 26, 2022 11:47:33 GMT
Gets the Claires accessories voters on board. Probably something a lot of her voters understand better than basic economics. Edit: I think that's what swung it for BJR. . Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. Yes, we need to be wary of people who think they know it all. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 11:49:53 GMT
I don't think alot of people understand basic economics less so the more complex. Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. Yes, we need to be wary of people who think they know it all. I think you are putting 2 and 2 together and making 5. But , I agree we do need to be wary of those who think they know it all. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 11:52:34 GMT
I don't think alot of people understand basic economics less so the more complex. Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. Wasn’t one of the killer lines for the leave campaign during the Brexit campaign that people have had enough of experts in this country? To me, thst means we should scrutinise the message of " experts" as much as anyone. " Experts" often have other/ extra/ ulterior agendas and motives. In health and finance you can often find " experts" who take polarised views. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 26, 2022 11:59:08 GMT
I don't think alot of people understand basic economics less so the more complex. Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. I remember when I left school most of the employers in my neck of the woods had five /six on the shop floor for every one in the office Then over the decades they took on more and more accountants and office staff until the ratio of 2/1 was more prevalent Sadly none of the major employers exist anymore this country has sadly been royally fucked over the last forty years by economists and accountants chasing ever greater paper profits and forecasts Half the time you’d be better off trusting your horoscope in the local rag Liz Truss is a Leo. Like being in the spotlight but can lack self-awareness apparently. Maybe you're on to something. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 26, 2022 12:00:32 GMT
Wasn’t one of the killer lines for the leave campaign during the Brexit campaign that people have had enough of experts in this country? To me, thst means we should scrutinise the message of " experts" as much as anyone. " Experts" often have other/ extra/ ulterior agendas and motives. In health and finance you can often find " experts" who take polarised views. I think people “often” look for the “agendas and motives” to suit their “non-expert” opinion and use it as a “weapon” against the expert with limited acceptance of considering an alternative perspective. This is the politics of today, offensive and brash with very little substance behind meaningless snippets. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 26, 2022 12:04:36 GMT
To me, thst means we should scrutinise the message of " experts" as much as anyone. " Experts" often have other/ extra/ ulterior agendas and motives. In health and finance you can often find " experts" who take polarised views. I think people “often” look for the “agendas and motives” to suit their “non-expert” opinion and use it as a “weapon” against the expert with limited acceptance of considering an alternative perspective. This is the politics of today, offensive and brash with very little substance behind meaningless snippets. I think you have a massive point about politics today. There seems to me to be a distinct lack of leadership and direction....plenty of criticism though. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 26, 2022 12:19:58 GMT
To me, thst means we should scrutinise the message of " experts" as much as anyone. " Experts" often have other/ extra/ ulterior agendas and motives. In health and finance you can often find " experts" who take polarised views. I think people “often” look for the “agendas and motives” to suit their “non-expert” opinion and use it as a “weapon” against the expert with limited acceptance of considering an alternative perspective. This is the politics of today, offensive and brash with very little substance behind meaningless snippets.Sounds like the Brexit thread. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 26, 2022 13:01:11 GMT
I think people “often” look for the “agendas and motives” to suit their “non-expert” opinion and use it as a “weapon” against the expert with limited acceptance of considering an alternative perspective. This is the politics of today, offensive and brash with very little substance behind meaningless snippets.Sounds like the Brexit thread. All this talk about experts, motives, agendas, policies (or lack of), the mention of Brexit reminds me of wannabee's post on the Brexit thread of a Churchill speech. The thing that struck about that clip was the number of women in the room. My wife (one of the majority of voters in the UK) said a couple of days ago: "I think it's time we had a woman in charge again." So there you have it guys. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2022 13:25:26 GMT
I see Truss has chickened out of an interview with Andrew Neil, whereas Sunak hasn't.
It didn't do Bozo any harm to be the only 'leader' to run away from Neil, which is both a shame and emblematic of the man.
You can only hope Truss turns out to be less of a disaster if and when she becomes PM, but there are an increasing number of somewhat disturbing parallels already emerging.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jul 26, 2022 13:39:40 GMT
I don't think alot of people understand basic economics less so the more complex. Perhaps we need to be wary of those who think they know it all. I remember when I left school most of the employers in my neck of the woods had five /six on the shop floor for every one in the office Then over the decades they took on more and more accountants and office staff until the ratio of 2/1 was more prevalent Sadly none of the major employers exist anymore this country has sadly been royally fucked over the last forty years by economists and accountants chasing ever greater paper profits and forecasts Half the time you’d be better off trusting your horoscope in the local rag Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians. When I started teaching, there was a Headmaster, Senior Master and Mistress and Heads of Middle and Junior School. Now there is a plethora of management posts and External Relations staff all costing money and having little or no classroom exposure. I suspect it is the same with the N.H.S. It is as if people cannot always be trusted to do the job for which they were employed without having someone looking over their shoulder. I do accept that in Education there needs to be assurances over child protection but I have the impression that there are more and more stuck in office jobs compared to those working on the front line. |
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Post by phileetin on Jul 26, 2022 14:32:10 GMT
I see Truss has chickened out of an interview with Andrew Neil, whereas Sunak hasn't. It didn't do Bozo any harm to be the only 'leader' to run away from Neil, which is both a shame and emblematic of the man. You can only hope Truss turns out to be less of a disaster if and when she becomes PM, but there are an increasing number of somewhat disturbing parallels already emerging. andrew neil once employed Boris and sacked him so it shouldn't have been a shock when boris turned that interview down .
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2022 14:51:33 GMT
I see Truss has chickened out of an interview with Andrew Neil, whereas Sunak hasn't. It didn't do Bozo any harm to be the only 'leader' to run away from Neil, which is both a shame and emblematic of the man. You can only hope Truss turns out to be less of a disaster if and when she becomes PM, but there are an increasing number of somewhat disturbing parallels already emerging. andrew neil once employed Boris and sacked him so it shouldn't have been a shock when boris turned that interview down .
Yes, he did, and you can hear why in the following. I suspect Bozo's real reason for not agreeing to be interviewed was to avoid a repeat of the arse he made of himself last time Neil quizzed him. I suspect Truss is running similarly scared, which doesn't bode well for the country. www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1636715/andrew-neil-stop-working-boris-johnson-gmb |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 26, 2022 15:33:39 GMT
Where they stand. Both clearly bullshitting us but Sunak looks like he's being a bit more honest about the state of things. Truss basically promising to strangle housebuilding so younger folks will be even more fucked trying to live. Same strategy as the past few decades, shift the costs onto the next generation. Big vote winner.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 26, 2022 16:47:36 GMT
This made me lol...  |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 26, 2022 17:01:21 GMT
The two dangerous oddballs are having another go on Talk TV now. Warning - the event is sponsored by the Sun.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 26, 2022 17:15:28 GMT
Johnson has spent all year telling us that we've got the fastest growth in the G7.
Truss 5 minutes ago: "We've got the lowest growth in the G7".  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 26, 2022 17:33:45 GMT
Not at all sure what's happened here but it's been taken off air!  |
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Post by Foster on Jul 26, 2022 17:33:48 GMT
Johnson has spent all year telling us that we've got the fastest growth in the G7. Truss 5 minutes ago: "We've got the lowest growth in the G7". She's repeated said they haven't delivered on anything basically. But that she'll deliver on it all by lowering taxes and reducing the funds they have at their disposal. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 26, 2022 17:36:04 GMT
I think Conservative Central Office have pulled the plug!
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 26, 2022 17:37:52 GMT
From The Guardian
Something has crashed on set. It looks as though her podium collapsed. The broadcast has stopped.
Truss looked quite shocked.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2022 17:38:22 GMT
BBC says there was a loud crash as a podium fell over
Could be absolutely anything
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 26, 2022 17:38:42 GMT
Politics live: Truss and Sunak TV debate halted after incident in studio.
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