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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 21:19:35 GMT
Well done on the definitions 👍 On strength of personality, Boris would have beaten both. Not that , that is relevant. Although leadership qualities are important. It was a choice between these two , as Prime Minister. I'm not a Boris fan , but neither am I as myopic as you in reducing things to personal stuff on the Oatcake and two dimensional on the Tory/ Labour choice. Crack on. Oh, I agree that Bozo has bags of personality and charisma. So does Bradley Walsh. I don't want him to run the country either. (Although he'd probably do it less pissed and with less shagging around). Bradley Walsh? You've completely lost the plot. Crack on. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2022 21:20:41 GMT
Oh, I agree that Bozo has bags of personality and charisma. So does Bradley Walsh. I don't want him to run the country either. (Although he'd probably do it less pissed and with less shagging around). Bradley Walsh? You've completely lost the plot. Crack on. He'd win easily |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 21:22:35 GMT
Bradley Walsh? You've completely lost the plot. Crack on. He'd win easily So would Boris then |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2022 21:32:09 GMT
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 25, 2022 21:39:46 GMT
Didn't Liz just say she deleted twitter off her phone when all this started?? So this tweet 45 mins before the programme wasn't her or she lied in live TV? I have no idea how to use Twitter but surely it’s possible to put out a tweet without using a phone, eg by using a laptop or PC? It’s a shame when people are in such a rush to call someone a liar. It’s becoming a much overused word. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 25, 2022 21:40:17 GMT
Surprised it was that close. Truss can't string more than 6 words together... |
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Post by Foster on Jul 25, 2022 21:42:59 GMT
I think your definition of leadership qualities differs from most people on here. If personality means acting like an unprofessional clown then fair enough. BJ isn't the kind of person I consider a leader when I'm at work. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 25, 2022 21:43:01 GMT
Chap on newsnight from Derby not Stoke...
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Post by Foster on Jul 25, 2022 21:44:46 GMT
Ses that quite a few Tory voters think money grows on trees. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jul 25, 2022 21:49:24 GMT
It's so depressing, it really is.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 21:50:50 GMT
I think your definition of leadership qualities differs from most people on here. If personality means acting like an unprofessional clown then fair enough. BJ isn't the kind of person I consider a leader when I'm at work. Not sure what everyone on here's definition of " leadership " qualities on here are.....but Boris has already demonstrated that he is a " leader" as Mayor of London and Prime Minister.....I'm not saying I agree with him whatsoever, ( I prefer Farage) but people certainly gave their vote to him as a leader. Politically , who is showing better leadership qualities. Or Which of the two under scrutiny show better qualities? Are you a Truss fan? |
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2022 21:52:20 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Jul 25, 2022 21:53:54 GMT
Didn't Liz just say she deleted twitter off her phone when all this started?? So this tweet 45 mins before the programme wasn't her or she lied in live TV? I have no idea how to use Twitter but surely it’s possible to put out a tweet without using a phone, eg by using a laptop or PC? It’s a shame when people are in such a rush to call someone a liar. It’s becoming a much overused word. Her response was valueless I dont care what apps she has on her phone. Her point was she implied she was squeaky clean and not close to the tittle tattle and dirty tricks. Above it all snd not part if it. Total rubbish. She must have been mistaken then 45 mins before the start of the debate she was on social media, perhaps she just forgot. That's not a good trait either after all the tweet wasn't about anything memorable like the death of one of the key players in the GFA. I don't recollect... What I meant was... You took me out of context... All excuses to the electorate They all stink to high heaven the lot of them, they'd say or do anything to get into power. The reason people don't believe them is because they have no idea what the truth is any more. Call it what you like 👍 |
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2022 21:54:01 GMT
I think your definition of leadership qualities differs from most people on here. If personality means acting like an unprofessional clown then fair enough. BJ isn't the kind of person I consider a leader when I'm at work. Not sure what everyone on here's definition of " leadership " qualities on here are.....but Boris has already demonstrated that he is a " leader" as Mayor of London and Prime Minister.....I'm not saying I agree with hom whatsoever, ( I prefer Farage) but people certainly gave their vote to him as a leader. Politically , who is showing better leadership qualities. Or Which of the two under scrutiny show better qualities? He was a shocking mayor Delegated, arsed about, bluffed e.t.c |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 21:54:10 GMT
I submit then , I don't know alot about Walsh. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 21:56:01 GMT
Not sure what everyone on here's definition of " leadership " qualities on here are.....but Boris has already demonstrated that he is a " leader" as Mayor of London and Prime Minister.....I'm not saying I agree with hom whatsoever, ( I prefer Farage) but people certainly gave their vote to him as a leader. Politically , who is showing better leadership qualities. Or Which of the two under scrutiny show better qualities? He was a shocking mayor Delegated, arsed about, bluffed e.t.c But people voted for him. Most leaders seem to be judged as " shocking", retrospectively. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 25, 2022 21:58:27 GMT
I think your definition of leadership qualities differs from most people on here. If personality means acting like an unprofessional clown then fair enough. BJ isn't the kind of person I consider a leader when I'm at work. Not sure what everyone on here's definition of " leadership " qualities on here are.....but Boris has already demonstrated that he is a " leader" as Mayor of London and Prime Minister.....I'm not saying I agree with hom whatsoever, ( I prefer Farage) but people certainly gave their vote to him as a leader. Politically , who is showing better leadership qualities. Or Which of the two under scrutiny show better qualities? Both BJ and Farage are populists and full of shit imo. I don't like either of them. Admittedly there are plenty of those in the workplace as well. From today, Sunak would get my vote, if I had to vote for one of them. I prefer at least a little realism. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 22:01:36 GMT
Not sure what everyone on here's definition of " leadership " qualities on here are.....but Boris has already demonstrated that he is a " leader" as Mayor of London and Prime Minister.....I'm not saying I agree with hom whatsoever, ( I prefer Farage) but people certainly gave their vote to him as a leader. Politically , who is showing better leadership qualities. Or Which of the two under scrutiny show better qualities? Both BJ and Farage are populists and full of shit imo. I don't like either of them. Admittedly there are plenty of those in the workplace as well. From today, Sunak would get my vote, if I had to vote for one of them. I prefer at least a little realism. They might be full of shit, but I thought we were talking about leadership qualities, not message content. Thatcher and Blair had leadership qualities ( I won't go downthe road of Gandhi and Hitler) |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2022 22:03:14 GMT
Didn't Liz just say she deleted twitter off her phone when all this started?? So this tweet 45 mins before the programme wasn't her or she lied in live TV? I have no idea how to use Twitter but surely it’s possible to put out a tweet without using a phone, eg by using a laptop or PC? It’s a shame when people are in such a rush to call someone a liar. It’s becoming a much overused word.
You didn't watch it, did you?
She was asked an uncomfortable question about Nadine Dorries and she elected to avoid answering that question by claiming that she had deleted twitter from her phone and therefore she didn't have the appropriate knowledge to answer the question ... it didn't matter which device she had deleted twitter from, she was claiming that she didn't have access to twitter, so that absolved her from having to give an answer to the question.
It was a lie.
Her twitter account is extremely active.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 22:05:45 GMT
I have no idea how to use Twitter but surely it’s possible to put out a tweet without using a phone, eg by using a laptop or PC? It’s a shame when people are in such a rush to call someone a liar. It’s becoming a much overused word.
You didn't watch it, did you?
She was asked an uncomfortable question about Nadine Dorries and she elected to avoid answering that question by claiming that she had deleted twitter from her phone and therefore she didn't have the appropriate knowledge to answer the question ... it didn't matter which device she had deleted twitter from, she was claiming that she didn't have access to twitter, so that absolved her from having to give an answer to the question.
It was a lie.
Her twitter account is extremely active.
To be fair, a lot of accounts are just managed by others anyways. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 25, 2022 22:05:56 GMT
I'm not going to quote your last message bjr as you messed up the quotation functionality.
What I will say is that whereas you prefer emotive and divisive figureheads, I prefer composed and more unifying ones.
Divisive nationalistic language is a put off for me. It achieves nothing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2022 22:11:16 GMT
I think your definition of leadership qualities differs from most people on here. If personality means acting like an unprofessional clown then fair enough. BJ isn't the kind of person I consider a leader when I'm at work. Not sure what everyone on here's definition of " leadership " qualities on here are.....but Boris has already demonstrated that he is a " leader" as Mayor of London and Prime Minister.....I'm not saying I agree with him whatsoever, ( I prefer Farage) but people certainly gave their vote to him as a leader. Politically , who is showing better leadership qualities. Or Which of the two under scrutiny show better qualities? Are you a Truss fan?
He hasn't at all.
He was elected with an 80 seat majority with the expectation that he would be a leader but within 2.5 years, he's been booted out of government by his own MP's, proving that he was actually never capable of being a leader in the first place.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 22:11:55 GMT
I'm not going to quote your last message bjr as you messed up the quotation functionality. What I will say is that whereas you prefer emotive and divisive figureheads, I prefer composed and more unifying ones. Divisive nationalistic language is a put off for me. It achieves nothing. Apologies for that. Who do you favour then?.pragmatically speaking, who is your number one?....although I thought we were talking about leadership qualities, irrespective of the message. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2022 22:14:45 GMT
You didn't watch it, did you?
She was asked an uncomfortable question about Nadine Dorries and she elected to avoid answering that question by claiming that she had deleted twitter from her phone and therefore she didn't have the appropriate knowledge to answer the question ... it didn't matter which device she had deleted twitter from, she was claiming that she didn't have access to twitter, so that absolved her from having to give an answer to the question.
It was a lie.
Her twitter account is extremely active.
To be fair, a lot of accounts are just managed by others anyways.
She was totally aware of what Dorries had said on twitter.
She was trying to pull the wool over people's eyes.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 22:15:18 GMT
Not sure what everyone on here's definition of " leadership " qualities on here are.....but Boris has already demonstrated that he is a " leader" as Mayor of London and Prime Minister.....I'm not saying I agree with him whatsoever, ( I prefer Farage) but people certainly gave their vote to him as a leader. Politically , who is showing better leadership qualities. Or Which of the two under scrutiny show better qualities? Are you a Truss fan?
He hasn't at all.
He was elected with an 80 seat majority with the expectation that he would be a leader but within 2.5 years, he's been booted out of government by his own MP's, proving that he was actually never capable of being a leader in the first place.
He has led the country for 2.5 years through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine. I'm not a Boris fan at all, but it is ridiculous to say that he hasn't been a leader. And as leader as Mayor of London. You might not like what he did , or how he did it, or what he stood for. But he wa a leader. You don't have to like him. |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 25, 2022 22:16:06 GMT
I have no idea how to use Twitter but surely it’s possible to put out a tweet without using a phone, eg by using a laptop or PC? It’s a shame when people are in such a rush to call someone a liar. It’s becoming a much overused word. You didn't watch it, did you? She was asked an uncomfortable question about Nadine Dorries and she elected to avoid answering that question by claiming that she had deleted twitter from her phone and therefore she didn't have the appropriate knowledge to answer the question ... it didn't matter which device she had deleted twitter from, she was claiming that she didn't have access to twitter, so that absolved her from having to give an answer to the question.
It was a lie. Her twitter account is extremely active.
Yes I did watch the programme, all of it. How can you say it was a lie when you can’t possibly know if she has deleted Twitter from her phone? Like I said, it’s becoming a much overused word. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 25, 2022 22:17:32 GMT
I'm not going to quote your last message bjr as you messed up the quotation functionality. What I will say is that whereas you prefer emotive and divisive figureheads, I prefer composed and more unifying ones. Divisive nationalistic language is a put off for me. It achieves nothing. Apologies for that. Who do you favour then?.pragmaticallyspeaking, who is your number one?....although I thought we were talking about leadership qualities, irrespective of the message. I'm not a fan of any two Tories left, but I don't quite understand how many are so quick to play down Starmer as an option without at least giving him a chance. I quite like how Sunak speaks and conducts himself in these debates, but that's testament to how well politicians are taught to sway people without themselves having any conviction in what they say. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 25, 2022 22:18:31 GMT
He hasn't at all. He was elected with an 80 seat majority with the expectation that he would be a leader but within 2.5 years, he's been booted out of government by his own MP's, proving that he was actually never capable of being a leader in the first place. He has led the country for 2.5 years through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine. I'm not a Boris fan at all, but it is ridiculous to say that he hasn't been a leader. And as leader as Mayor of London. You might not like what he did , or how he did it, or what he stood for. But he wa a leader. You don't have to like him. You keep saying you're not a Boris fan, but be honest mate. You're his number one fan  Edit: after FYD of course. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2022 22:19:14 GMT
He hasn't at all.
He was elected with an 80 seat majority with the expectation that he would be a leader but within 2.5 years, he's been booted out of government by his own MP's, proving that he was actually never capable of being a leader in the first place.
He has led the country for 2.5 years through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine. I'm not a Boris fan at all, but it is ridiculous to say that he hasn't been a leader. And as leader as Mayor of London. You might not like what he did , or how he did it, or what he stood for. But he wa a leader. You don't have to like him.
He hasn't be booted out by his own MP's over policy, he's been booted out because of his lying and his cronyism, those aren't the qualities of a 'leader' and that's why they had no choice but to get rid of him.
Whether I like him or not has got bugger all to do with it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2022 22:20:56 GMT
Apologies for that. Who do you favour then?.pragmaticallyspeaking, who is your number one?....although I thought we were talking about leadership qualities, irrespective of the message. I'm not a fan of any two Tories left, but I don't quite understand how many are so quick to play down Starmer as an option without at least giving him a chance. I quite like how Sunak speaks and conducts himself in these debates, but that's testament to how well politicians are taught to sway people without themselves having any conviction in what they say. I'm prepared to give anyone a chance, once they get the job...Starmer, Truss or Sunak. Unfortunately, it seems like most people, none of them nor their parties, attract much genuine support at the moment. |
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