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Post by questionable on Jul 13, 2022 19:56:10 GMT
How can Sunak be considered he’s created this shit show of crippling tax increases with more to come soon, it’s his mess but now he’s saying he won’t cut taxes if elected.
The Conservatives will get torn to pieces at the next election if he’s in charge.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 13, 2022 21:13:31 GMT
Stewart Lewis, the Terry Henfleet of Politics! Even though he's fake I just know Stewart hates poor people though! I've still not got over him going to Stenhousemuir.
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Post by Gods on Jul 13, 2022 22:04:17 GMT
I can't see any circumstances in which Penny Mordaunt is not the next PM.
She is guaranteed to make the first 2 that go to the membership and polls show that if she does she will cream any of the other candidates.
She will be the next PM, its as simple as that.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 13, 2022 22:04:24 GMT
This from the fella framing himself as the moderate and seen as 'too left' by most of the other candidates. This should give great comfort to those choosing between eating and heating this winter. Just watching "Yossers Story" on BBC4. The twat needs a history lesson. He was only born in 1980 how the fuck would he know what it was like? Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2022 22:54:08 GMT
I agree with the bolded, but then there's a difference between being alert and being paranoid. Many of the movements that have stemmed from woke-paranoia have led to our society becoming a tinderbox; a tinderbox that has gone up in flames already. See the BLM led George Floyd protests. Built on the lie that police brutality is an issue of systemic-racism; despite statistics on the race of individuals that die in police custody flying in the face of that theory.(that's not to say that George Floyd's murderer wasn't racist/motivated by his racism btw, but a rogue individual isn't "systemic-racism", it's a rogue individual) Can you point me at that data please? Last time I looked Black Americans are over 3x more likely to die after a police encounter. www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/TBH when I read your quote and then did some searching I found a lot of information supporting what you found. So maybe I'm not informed enough to speak with any authority on the matter; although there is information attempting to refute the statistics, or attempting to explain them in ways that aren't down to institutional racism. It just seems a bit of a minefield though and, having had a deeper look, one I'm nervous to attempt to cross. People with whatever political bent seem capable of seeing what they want to see, and maybe I fell into that trap by believing what I wanted to believe without having anything but skin deep understanding of the subject.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 14, 2022 6:56:44 GMT
TBH when I read your quote and then did some searching I found a lot of information supporting what you found. So maybe I'm not informed enough to speak with any authority on the matter; although there is information attempting to refute the statistics, or attempting to explain them in ways that aren't down to institutional racism. It just seems a bit of a minefield though and, having had a deeper look, one I'm nervous to attempt to cross. People with whatever political bent seem capable of seeing what they want to see, and maybe I fell into that trap by believing what I wanted to believe without having anything but skin deep understanding of the subject. I’m not saying these statistics are wrong but what is missing is the comparison between white and black people regarding who are likely to be involved in violent crime. If it shows that there is parity then that gives the above statistics credibility. But if it is shown that 3x more blacks than whites are involved in violent crime then the above statistics are somewhat flawed….in my opinion of course.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2022 7:43:01 GMT
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 7:48:54 GMT
I can't see any circumstances in which Penny Mordaunt is not the next PM. She is guaranteed to make the first 2 that go to the membership and polls show that if she does she will cream any of the other candidates. She will be the next PM, its as simple as that. I wouldn't be so sure. The Brexit Mafia are after her. Rats in a sack
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 14, 2022 7:54:01 GMT
This from the fella framing himself as the moderate and seen as 'too left' by most of the other candidates. This should give great comfort to those choosing between eating and heating this winter. Just watching "Yossers Story" on BBC4. The twat needs a history lesson. He was only born in 1980 how the fuck would he know what it was like? View AttachmentI'm recording the lot, currently on BBC4. First time round it was harrowing to watch and as relevant now as it was then.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 14, 2022 7:59:47 GMT
Just watching "Yossers Story" on BBC4. The twat needs a history lesson. He was only born in 1980 how the fuck would he know what it was like? View AttachmentI'm recording the lot, currently on BBC4. First time round it was harrowing to watch and as relevant now as it was then. I re-watched them all last week, absolutely superb series. I'm surprised they haven't shown the first series as well tho.
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Post by Gods on Jul 14, 2022 8:00:42 GMT
I can't see any circumstances in which Penny Mordaunt is not the next PM. She is guaranteed to make the first 2 that go to the membership and polls show that if she does she will cream any of the other candidates. She will be the next PM, its as simple as that. I wouldn't be so sure. The Brexit Mafia are after her. Rats in a sack I did not realise that, I thought she was one of the Brexit mafia! She did campaign for it whereas Liz Truss did not. I do agree if they are after her it may not be cut and dried.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 8:04:05 GMT
I wouldn't be so sure. The Brexit Mafia are after her. Rats in a sack I did not realise that, I thought she was one of the Brexit mafia! She did campaign for it whereas Liz Truss did not. I do agree if they are after her it may not be cut and dried. The loons Gods of Brexit have concluded she is not Brexit pure enough!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 8:11:21 GMT
I did not realise that, I thought she was one of the Brexit mafia! She did campaign for it whereas Liz Truss did not. I do agree if they are after her it may not be cut and dried. The loons Gods of Brexit have concluded she is not Brexit pure enough! Seems like the EU worshippers can't contemplate that some people might have a different opinion.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 8:23:01 GMT
The loons Gods of Brexit have concluded she is not Brexit pure enough! Seems like the EU worshippers can't contemplate that some people might have a different opinion. I'm no EU worshipper if that's aimed at me. It's the fucking hypocrisy that creases me. The Brexit loons got the Brexit they told us they wanted and they are the ones still fighting the Brexit battle! Mourdant has a much stronger Brexit track record than say, Truss but for the Tory rats in a sack, its not really about that deep down is it as Mogg and GoNads risible acclamation of Truss the other day proved.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 8:34:46 GMT
Seems like the EU worshippers can't contemplate that some people might have a different opinion. I'm no EU worshipper if that's aimed at me. It's the fucking hypocrisy that creases me. The Brexit loons got the Brexit they told us they wanted and they are the ones still fighting the Brexit battle! Mourdant has a much stronger Brexit track record than say, Truss but for the Tory rats in a sack, its not really about that deep down is it as Mogg and GoNads risible acclamation of Truss the other day proved. Perhaps they want to ensure that the Brexit they believed people voted for is honoured. Things change in politics and it is clear that many people in power would still love an arrangement whereby we are " tied in " to the EU.I don't think they will ever give up, but they hope Brexiteers will Just because they have a different opinion to you , they are not loons, as implied. It isn't compulsory to be in the EU.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 8:48:24 GMT
I'm no EU worshipper if that's aimed at me. It's the fucking hypocrisy that creases me. The Brexit loons got the Brexit they told us they wanted and they are the ones still fighting the Brexit battle! Mourdant has a much stronger Brexit track record than say, Truss but for the Tory rats in a sack, its not really about that deep down is it as Mogg and GoNads risible acclamation of Truss the other day proved. Perhaps they want to ensure that the Brexit they believed people voted for is honoured. Things change in politics and it is clear that many people in power would still love an arrangement whereby we are " tied in " to the EU.I don't think they will ever give up, but they hope Brexiteers will Just because they have a different opinion to you , they are not loons, as implied. It isn't compulsory to be in the EU. Always someone elses fault isn't it John?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 8:50:11 GMT
Perhaps they want to ensure that the Brexit they believed people voted for is honoured. Things change in politics and it is clear that many people in power would still love an arrangement whereby we are " tied in " to the EU.I don't think they will ever give up, but they hope Brexiteers will Just because they have a different opinion to you , they are not loons, as implied. It isn't compulsory to be in the EU. Always someone elses fault isn't it John? No idea what you are talking about. 🧐 🥸
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 8:53:02 GMT
Always someone elses fault isn't it John? No idea what you are talking about. 🧐 🥸 The people who campaigned for Brexit, delivered Brexit, negotiated the deal and are now dealing (badly) with the consequences. Brexiteers if you will. I hate to break it to you, John but this is all on them, not some remainer plot you've read about in The Daily Mail!
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Post by andystokey on Jul 14, 2022 9:02:33 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 9:05:59 GMT
No idea what you are talking about. 🧐 🥸 The people who campaigned for Brexit, delivered Brexit, negotiated the deal and are now dealing (badly) with the consequences. Brexiteers if you will. I hate to break it to you, John but this is all on them, not some remainer plot you've read about in The Daily Mail! I don't read the Daily Mail but I suppose you have to blame something. I was a " brexiteer" years before the referendum. It wasn't about " deals" The battle still remains to secure Brexit, I'm pleased that there are a few in Parliament with their eye on the ball.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 9:14:04 GMT
The people who campaigned for Brexit, delivered Brexit, negotiated the deal and are now dealing (badly) with the consequences. Brexiteers if you will. I hate to break it to you, John but this is all on them, not some remainer plot you've read about in The Daily Mail! I don't read the Daily Mail but I suppose you have to blame something. I was a " brexiteer" years before the referendum. It wasn't about " deals" The battle still remains to secure Brexit, I'm pleased that there are a few in Parliament with their eye on the ball. So you agree that all the prominent BREXITEERS who got BREXIT and are now delivering BREXIT are all failures then John?. Its the only logical conclusion isn't it?
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 14, 2022 9:16:43 GMT
This narrative about Conservative prospective leaders being representative of minorities, and reflecting diversity is such a ridiculous joke but a very politicised one.
How the hell is multi-millionaire Sunak representative of South Asian taxi drivers in Bradford for example?
Just in the same way that politicians in India and Pakistan are not representative of the people who live in slums, or Etonians are not representative of people in this country.
This concept of representation in this country is so superficial and based on tick boxes bearing little relationship to reality.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 9:17:02 GMT
I don't read the Daily Mail but I suppose you have to blame something. I was a " brexiteer" years before the referendum. It wasn't about " deals" The battle still remains to secure Brexit, I'm pleased that there are a few in Parliament with their eye on the ball. So you agree that all the prominent BREXITEERS who got BREXIT and are now delivering BREXIT are all failures then John?. Its the only logical conclusion isn't it? No , not at all. By the nature of politics , you have to keep arguing your case....it isn't as simple as saying " we've got Brexit done, that's it"...but I suppose you need to blame somebody to help you to cope with Brexit
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 9:20:19 GMT
So you agree that all the prominent BREXITEERS who got BREXIT and are now delivering BREXIT are all failures then John?. Its the only logical conclusion isn't it? No , not at all. By the nature of politics , you have to keep arguing your case....it isn't as simple as saying " we've got Brexit done, that's it"...but I suppose you need to blame somebody to help you to cope with Brexit You are still laughably blaming Remainers John, despite them basically being purged from any position of power in the ruling Party in the past few years. BREXITEERS are the only people to blame for the fucked up, dysfunctional BREXIT we have John. You have to own that along with your oven ready solutions. Stop blaming other people.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 9:23:05 GMT
No , not at all. By the nature of politics , you have to keep arguing your case....it isn't as simple as saying " we've got Brexit done, that's it"...but I suppose you need to blame somebody to help you to cope with Brexit You are still laughably blaming Remainers John, despite them basically being purged from any position of power in the ruling Party in the past few years. BREXITEERS are the only people to blame for the fucked up, dysfunctional BREXIT we have John. You have to own that along with your oven ready solutions. Stop blaming other people. I'm not blaming anyone for anything, you are obsessed with blame.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 9:25:32 GMT
You are still laughably blaming Remainers John, despite them basically being purged from any position of power in the ruling Party in the past few years. BREXITEERS are the only people to blame for the fucked up, dysfunctional BREXIT we have John. You have to own that along with your oven ready solutions. Stop blaming other people. I'm not blaming anyone for anything [/quote] Perhaps they want to ensure that the Brexit they believed people voted for is honoured. T hings change in politics and it is clear that many people in power would still love an arrangement whereby we are " tied in " to the EU.I don't think they will ever give up, but they hope Brexiteers will .[/quote] Righto, John! Except pretty much every Brexiteer who delivered, negotiated and now implementing Brexit that is
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 9:29:38 GMT
I'm not blaming anyone for anything Perhaps they want to ensure that the Brexit they believed people voted for is honoured. T hings change in politics and it is clear that many people in power would still love an arrangement whereby we are " tied in " to the EU.I don't think they will ever give up, but they hope Brexiteers will .[/quote] Righto, John! Except pretty much everyone except those who delivered, negotiated and now implementing Brexit that is [/quote] It's not about " blame", just ensuring that what was voted for is implemented. Although some of you Remainers do see the EU as some sort of Religious panacea....
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 14, 2022 9:32:25 GMT
Perhaps they want to ensure that the Brexit they believed people voted for is honoured. T hings change in politics and it is clear that many people in power would still love an arrangement whereby we are " tied in " to the EU.I don't think they will ever give up, but they hope Brexiteers will . I'm not a remainer, John. However name me one UK remainer with suffucient influence who is currently preventing what was voted for being implemented? Just one. Any name will do John.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2022 9:38:54 GMT
Perhaps they want to ensure that the Brexit they believed people voted for is honoured. T hings change in politics and it is clear that many people in power would still love an arrangement whereby we are " tied in " to the EU.I don't think they will ever give up, but they hope Brexiteers will . I'm not a remainer, John. However name me one UK remainer with suffucient influence who is currently preventing what was voted for being implemented? Just one. Any name will do John. I don't think politics works quite like that..but, I don't know if you want to rewrite history but the whole of the establishment/ political parties tried to reverse Brexit for 3 years after the referendum. Remember " confirmatory vote" Hard or soft Brexit etc etc...most politicians tried to prevent implementation. For ne May was inevitable of the worst, deliberately misleading those in her own party. The battle still goes on. Mind you, because you mix it up with your opposition to the Tories and this parliament I suppose you choose not to see it.
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Post by foster on Jul 14, 2022 9:39:55 GMT
This narrative about Conservative prospective leaders being representative of minorities, and reflecting diversity is such a ridiculous joke but a very politicised one. How the hell is multi-millionaire Sunak representative of South Asian taxi drivers in Bradford for example? Just in the same way that politicians in India and Pakistan are not representative of the people who live in slums, or Etonians are not representative of people in this country. This concept of representation in this country is so superficial and based on tick boxes bearing little relationship to reality. You only have to hear the way any Tory speaks to realise they're not representative of anyone but the elite and rich. If any one of them were doing a tour of the pubs pre-Stoke match then I'm sure most people after hearing them speak would be thinking... 'posh wanker!'. Of course if Boris uses embarrassing phrases such as 'them's the breaks' or calls someone 'Captain Crash-a-roony Snoozefest' then that makes him just like the common man. On a side note, did anyone else see that backbencher publicly thank Boris yesterday for leveling up Stoke on Trent? Has that happened?
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