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Post by Han Solo on Jul 10, 2022 15:58:16 GMT
Being woke means being alert to injustice in society or discrimination. Being woke should be something everyone should strive to be. The meaning has been distorted for culture wars. Wokery is just the latest attempt at deflection. An easy target for people who don't want to think too closely about why the country is in a mess. See immigrants, "the Left", the EU for previous examples. Coming soon...the Green Agenda. You are right in relation to it not being a priority as there are far bigger issues but it’s still important as in the generation of social media it plays a big part in splitting people and causing friction / arguments rather than bringing them together. It can’t be ignored as it’s clearly important to people. You only have to look on the threads on here to see that.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 15:59:23 GMT
Wokery is just the latest attempt at deflection. An easy target for people who don't want to think too closely about why the country is in a mess. See immigrants, "the Left", the EU for previous examples. Coming soon...the Green Agenda. 'Woke' simply means having an awareness of and caring about social injustice. In the good ol'US of A there is a caucus of right wing religious fundamentalist who really don't think there should be social justice - it's their way or no way - as such 'wokery' is an existential threat. Over here that dynamic doesn't really exist so it has been weaponised by the political right to create a 'bogeyman' - ie 'this is what you get if you don't vote for us'. Like you should need a 'bogeyman' with an 80 seat majority if you're actually any fucking good at what you do? You need a bogeyman if your approach is fundamentally flawed in that it does very little for ordinary people and the services they rely on, but quite a bit for the already wealthy. We don't want people thinking too much about why public services get worse in the fifth richest nation in the world.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 10, 2022 16:00:01 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. Interesting that she chose to use a clip with Oscar Pistorious in it. Did you watch it? Blimey… I’m not sure if I’m impressed or bemused.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 16:00:40 GMT
Wokery is just the latest attempt at deflection. An easy target for people who don't want to think too closely about why the country is in a mess. See immigrants, "the Left", the EU for previous examples. Coming soon...the Green Agenda. You are right in relation to it not being a priority as there are far bigger issues but it’s still important as in the generation of social media it plays a big part in splitting people and causing friction / arguments rather than bringing them together. It can’t be ignored as it’s clearly important to people. You only have to look on the threads on here to see that. I agree. But I'd say those people are simply being played. For all the difference anything 'woke' makes to anyone's life on here. If they were honest about it.
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 10, 2022 16:07:30 GMT
Interesting that she chose to use a clip with Oscar Pistorious in it. Did you watch it? Blimey… I’m not sure if I’m impressed or bemused. wasn't a dig, just highlighting that this toe curling bunch of fraudsters don't do details. Leaving a globally known, convicted murderer in the shot (unnecessarily) isn't the best look.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 16:10:15 GMT
It depend what you mean by 'anything woke'. I don't class wokeism as equal rights for women or minorities, that's just basic decency. Wokeism is kids being brainwashed in schools, people being threatened or 'de-platformed' for stating scientific facts and language being changed for the benefit of a tiny minority of the population. This all has to change Being woke means being alert to injustice in society or discrimination. Being woke should be something everyone should strive to be. The meaning has been distorted for culture wars. I agree with the bolded, but then there's a difference between being alert and being paranoid. Many of the movements that have stemmed from woke-paranoia have led to our society becoming a tinderbox; a tinderbox that has gone up in flames already. See the BLM led George Floyd protests. Built on the lie that police brutality is an issue of systemic-racism; despite statistics on the race of individuals that die in police custody flying in the face of that theory. (that's not to say that George Floyd's murderer wasn't racist/motivated by his racism btw, but a rogue individual isn't "systemic-racism", it's a rogue individual)
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 10, 2022 16:12:49 GMT
You are right in relation to it not being a priority as there are far bigger issues but it’s still important as in the generation of social media it plays a big part in splitting people and causing friction / arguments rather than bringing them together. It can’t be ignored as it’s clearly important to people. You only have to look on the threads on here to see that. I agree. But I'd say those people are simply being played. For all the difference anything 'woke' makes to anyone's life on here. If they were honest about it. I was listening to LBC earlier and a caller got it spot on when they said Politicians have stopped giving answers to questions now because they’re worried about being judged by both the mainstream media and social media so they just dance around the subject. It’s madness let’s get experts in with a knowledge of the ministers role they’re doing. There’s only defence where this seems to be happening.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 10, 2022 16:13:43 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. That is literally the worst video I've ever seen and please bear in mind I once hired 'Police Academy 3 - Back in Training' on Betamax.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 10, 2022 16:19:06 GMT
Wokery is just the latest attempt at deflection. An easy target for people who don't want to think too closely about why the country is in a mess. See immigrants, "the Left", the EU for previous examples. Coming soon...the Green Agenda. You are right in relation to it not being a priority as there are far bigger issues but it’s still important as in the generation of social media it plays a big part in splitting people and causing friction / arguments rather than bringing them together. It can’t be ignored as it’s clearly important to people. You only have to look on the threads on here to see that. Who wins Love Island splits people and causes friction on social media but it's not a matter for government.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 10, 2022 17:40:14 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. That is literally the worst video I've ever seen and please bear in mind I once hired 'Police Academy 3 - Back in Training' on Betamax. Sorry to take you further down into the very bottom of video hell, but there is something worse… I give you STVs astonishing tribute to Elsie McSelfi
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2022 17:42:02 GMT
That is literally the worst video I've ever seen and please bear in mind I once hired 'Police Academy 3 - Back in Training' on Betamax. Sorry to take you further down into the very bottom of video hell, but there is something worse… I give you STVs astonishing tribute to Elsie McSelfi 🤮
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 10, 2022 17:47:50 GMT
That is literally the worst video I've ever seen and please bear in mind I once hired 'Police Academy 3 - Back in Training' on Betamax. Sorry to take you further down into the very bottom of video hell, but there is something worse… I give you STVs astonishing tribute to Elsie McSelfi Good grief!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2022 18:17:31 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. That is literally the worst video I've ever seen and please bear in mind I once hired 'Police Academy 3 - Back in Training' on Betamax. Probably a touch to patriotic Go down well with the blue rinse brigade and the red wall who actually still give a fuck about the country
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 10, 2022 18:23:16 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. And then is caught out telling a pointless whopper that will sink her ship.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2022 18:29:11 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. And then is caught out telling a pointless whopper that will sink her ship. She’s the best bet to land the Tory party an election victory Whatever her opinion on penises By the way who do you want for the next Tory leader
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Post by andystokey on Jul 10, 2022 18:31:19 GMT
Being woke means being alert to injustice in society or discrimination. Being woke should be something everyone should strive to be. The meaning has been distorted for culture wars. I agree with the bolded, but then there's a difference between being alert and being paranoid. Many of the movements that have stemmed from woke-paranoia have led to our society becoming a tinderbox; a tinderbox that has gone up in flames already. See the BLM led George Floyd protests. Built on the lie that police brutality is an issue of systemic-racism; despite statistics on the race of individuals that die in police custody flying in the face of that theory.(that's not to say that George Floyd's murderer wasn't racist/motivated by his racism btw, but a rogue individual isn't "systemic-racism", it's a rogue individual) Can you point me at that data please? Last time I looked Black Americans are over 3x more likely to die after a police encounter. www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 18:33:21 GMT
I agree. But I'd say those people are simply being played. For all the difference anything 'woke' makes to anyone's life on here. If they were honest about it. I was listening to LBC earlier and a caller got it spot on when they said Politicians have stopped giving answers to questions now because they’re worried about being judged by both the mainstream media and social media so they just dance around the subject. It’s madness let’s get experts in with a knowledge of the ministers role they’re doing. There’s only defence where this seems to be happening. Twas ever thus, Cobham. What is different is that we now have a 24hr society with constant rolling news and social media ready to go into a frenzy at the drop of a hat, instead of allowing some time and space to see what was actually said/meant.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 10, 2022 18:46:06 GMT
I was listening to LBC earlier and a caller got it spot on when they said Politicians have stopped giving answers to questions now because they’re worried about being judged by both the mainstream media and social media so they just dance around the subject. It’s madness let’s get experts in with a knowledge of the ministers role they’re doing. There’s only defence where this seems to be happening. Twas ever thus, Cobham. What is different is that we now have a 24hr society with constant rolling news and social media ready to go into a frenzy at the drop of a hat, instead of allowing some time and space to see what was actually said/meant. I think that is an acceptable point of view but because politicians have no conviction and constantly sway to popular opinion they can't answer because they don't know what today's popular opinion is. Not ever a problem for Thatcher, Benn or Skinner, they were ideologues and intellectually sound and had fully formed ideas about their politics. They also weren't afraid to say "I have no idea about that it's not why I'm here If they were being drawn into tittle tattle. None of these fuckers have any conviction about anything which is why last week they were lapping up Boris's arse gravy and today they tell us they never believed a word of it.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 10, 2022 18:55:00 GMT
I’m struggling to see how anyone who’s been close to Boris can be chosen. They’ve probably spent the last 18-24 months backing everything he’s said and there will be plenty of clips to show it.
Rishi can’t say anything about the economy and he’s probably going to have Boris’s cronies coming for him. He needs a very straight bat particularly when it comes to his finances and tax status as does Nadhim (as do they all to be honest).
Sajid is going to struggle when the “new” hospitals comes up. Suella & Liz will probably struggle with any yes/no questions without wandering totally off topic to mention something randomn. I don’t know which Grant Shapps character will turn up.
I think Hunt has distanced himself enough to land some blows in that respect but I’m sure there will be a few looking at how they can hit him back.
I don’t know much about Tom or Penny.
Are we expecting the presidential style debates to be televised once they start whittling them down?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 10, 2022 20:20:14 GMT
Finger on the pulse……
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2022 20:31:27 GMT
So long as it gives badgers a bit of peace and quiet it’s fine by me😉
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jul 10, 2022 20:38:08 GMT
Fucking hell every time I hear someone else has chucked their hat in the ring I cringe at just how awful they are, the last one getting progressively worse than the one before.
As a country we are fucked with any of these chancers anywhere close to number 10.
Until mad Nad decides to declare herself in.😉
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Post by andystokey on Jul 10, 2022 21:33:49 GMT
I'm with Martin Lewis in this, by Christmas people will be refusing to pay their energy bills. We need a clear out we can't carry on like this.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 10, 2022 21:48:22 GMT
I'm with Martin Lewis in this, by Christmas people will be refusing to pay their energy bills. We need a clear out we can't carry on like this. If he goes for badgers too he gets my nomination.
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Post by Davef on Jul 10, 2022 21:48:23 GMT
That's a three year old article in the Independent from the last Tory leadership contest.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 10, 2022 21:54:30 GMT
In Medieval times, many towns had "Mock Mayors" who were usually slightly comic jester/fool type characters whose job it was to keep the actual Mayor on his toes and ensure that he did his job. These important shadow Mayors would hold office for a year and were usually chosen at one of the seasonal fairs, such as Midsummer or Michaelmas. Abingdon in Oxfordshire is a good example of this, and around the time of the Summer Solstice citizens of the town would elect "the Mayor of Ock Street" (The main thoroughfare through the town).
I think that whoever becomes Prime Minister should also share office with a Mock PM, to continually hold the head of Government to account!
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Post by yeokel on Jul 11, 2022 9:04:42 GMT
This is lifted from The Spectator this morning.
It’s pretty depressing reading unless you believe the best way forwards for this country is to pay unrealistically low taxes, leave our national debt untouched, lower the level of public services to an even more depressing state than they already at, and waste billions of Pounds Sterling on military hardware bought chiefly from the good ol’ U S of A.
This is what we've learned about each of the contenders so far. Sajid Javid: Has a focus on tax cuts. He wants to scrap the National Insurance hike and cut corporation tax by 1p a year to 15 per cent. Ruled out another Scottish referendum for at least ten years. Jeremy Hunt: Has picked Esther McVey as his ‘running mate’, an American-style campaigning device that James explores here. Also wants to cut corporation tax to 15 per cent in the autumn Budget. Opposed to another Scottish referendum. Grant Shapps: Will scrap next year’s corporation tax (it’s set to rise from 19 per cent to 25 per cent) and bring forward the 1p cut to income tax to take effect immediately. Tom Tugendhat: Wants to drop the NI rise and cut fuel duty. Has offered probably the most memorable line of the contest when asked, as Theresa May was, what the naughtiest thing he’s ever done is. He replied: ‘I invaded a country once.’ Rishi Sunak: Says Tory members shouldn’t believe the ‘fairytales’ offered by other candidates – but hasn’t set out his own economic policies yet. Penny Mordaunt: Has clarified her position on sex and gender, saying that while she believes trans women are women for most social purposes, biological sex is real. Her launch has been a little bumpier than the others for this reason: a number of the other candidates are insisting that Mordaunt tried to get the word ‘woman’ deleted from legislation allowing ministers to take maternity leave. Paralympian Jonnie Peacock has also asked to be removed from her campaign video. Suella Braverman: The first to declare – announcing her bid even before Johnson had resigned. Wants Britain to leave the European Convention on Human Rights and is concerned that some of the other candidates want to unpick Brexit. Pledges to cut VAT on energy and reduce the planned tax rises. Will scrap the net zero target. Says ‘single-sex spaces are perfectly normal, especially in schools’ and warns against going ‘down the identity politics rabbit hole’. Kemi Badenoch: Running on a pitch to speak the 'truth' to the party. Lower taxes and opposed to the Online Safety Bill. Nadhim Zahawi: Will boost defence spending and reduce the tax burden. All the candidates have backed the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill but have offered varying levels of rhetoric about it. Tugendhat, for instance, has said the ‘mood music’ would change once Johnson has gone, and that ‘we could legally negotiate some proper changes to the protocol’.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 11, 2022 9:11:52 GMT
That's a three year old article in the Independent from the last Tory leadership contest. Finger on the pulse indeed!
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 11, 2022 9:19:51 GMT
This is lifted from The Spectator this morning. It’s pretty depressing reading unless you believe the best way forwards for this country is to pay unrealistically low taxes, leave our national debt untouched, lower the level of public services to an even more depressing state than they already at, and waste billions of Pounds Sterling on military hardware bought chiefly from the good ol’ U S of A. This is what we've learned about each of the contenders so far. Sajid Javid: Has a focus on tax cuts. He wants to scrap the National Insurance hike and cut corporation tax by 1p a year to 15 per cent. Ruled out another Scottish referendum for at least ten years. Jeremy Hunt: Has picked Esther McVey as his ‘running mate’, an American-style campaigning device that James explores here. Also wants to cut corporation tax to 15 per cent in the autumn Budget. Opposed to another Scottish referendum. Grant Shapps: Will scrap next year’s corporation tax (it’s set to rise from 19 per cent to 25 per cent) and bring forward the 1p cut to income tax to take effect immediately. Tom Tugendhat: Wants to drop the NI rise and cut fuel duty. Has offered probably the most memorable line of the contest when asked, as Theresa May was, what the naughtiest thing he’s ever done is. He replied: ‘I invaded a country once.’ Rishi Sunak: Says Tory members shouldn’t believe the ‘fairytales’ offered by other candidates – but hasn’t set out his own economic policies yet. Penny Mordaunt: Has clarified her position on sex and gender, saying that while she believes trans women are women for most social purposes, biological sex is real. Her launch has been a little bumpier than the others for this reason: a number of the other candidates are insisting that Mordaunt tried to get the word ‘woman’ deleted from legislation allowing ministers to take maternity leave. Paralympian Jonnie Peacock has also asked to be removed from her campaign video. Suella Braverman: The first to declare – announcing her bid even before Johnson had resigned. Wants Britain to leave the European Convention on Human Rights and is concerned that some of the other candidates want to unpick Brexit. Pledges to cut VAT on energy and reduce the planned tax rises. Will scrap the net zero target. Says ‘single-sex spaces are perfectly normal, especially in schools’ and warns against going ‘down the identity politics rabbit hole’. Kemi Badenoch: Running on a pitch to speak the 'truth' to the party. Lower taxes and opposed to the Online Safety Bill. Nadhim Zahawi: Will boost defence spending and reduce the tax burden. All the candidates have backed the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill but have offered varying levels of rhetoric about it. Tugendhat, for instance, has said the ‘mood music’ would change once Johnson has gone, and that ‘we could legally negotiate some proper changes to the protocol’.Sunak has got it right in so much as folk pedalling fairy tales. The reality being avoided is that cutting taxes needs to be accompanied by cutting public spending. So, it’s disingenuous of anyone to talk about tax cuts without explaining where public spending cuts will come from, particularly in an environment of high inflation. This, btw, is the trap that Thatcher and Howe fell into at the start of the 80s.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 11, 2022 9:35:53 GMT
This is lifted from The Spectator this morning. It’s pretty depressing reading unless you believe the best way forwards for this country is to pay unrealistically low taxes, leave our national debt untouched, lower the level of public services to an even more depressing state than they already at, and waste billions of Pounds Sterling on military hardware bought chiefly from the good ol’ U S of A. This is what we've learned about each of the contenders so far. Sajid Javid: Has a focus on tax cuts. He wants to scrap the National Insurance hike and cut corporation tax by 1p a year to 15 per cent. Ruled out another Scottish referendum for at least ten years. Jeremy Hunt: Has picked Esther McVey as his ‘running mate’, an American-style campaigning device that James explores here. Also wants to cut corporation tax to 15 per cent in the autumn Budget. Opposed to another Scottish referendum. Grant Shapps: Will scrap next year’s corporation tax (it’s set to rise from 19 per cent to 25 per cent) and bring forward the 1p cut to income tax to take effect immediately. Tom Tugendhat: Wants to drop the NI rise and cut fuel duty. Has offered probably the most memorable line of the contest when asked, as Theresa May was, what the naughtiest thing he’s ever done is. He replied: ‘I invaded a country once.’ Rishi Sunak: Says Tory members shouldn’t believe the ‘fairytales’ offered by other candidates – but hasn’t set out his own economic policies yet. Penny Mordaunt: Has clarified her position on sex and gender, saying that while she believes trans women are women for most social purposes, biological sex is real. Her launch has been a little bumpier than the others for this reason: a number of the other candidates are insisting that Mordaunt tried to get the word ‘woman’ deleted from legislation allowing ministers to take maternity leave. Paralympian Jonnie Peacock has also asked to be removed from her campaign video. Suella Braverman: The first to declare – announcing her bid even before Johnson had resigned. Wants Britain to leave the European Convention on Human Rights and is concerned that some of the other candidates want to unpick Brexit. Pledges to cut VAT on energy and reduce the planned tax rises. Will scrap the net zero target. Says ‘single-sex spaces are perfectly normal, especially in schools’ and warns against going ‘down the identity politics rabbit hole’. Kemi Badenoch: Running on a pitch to speak the 'truth' to the party. Lower taxes and opposed to the Online Safety Bill. Nadhim Zahawi: Will boost defence spending and reduce the tax burden. All the candidates have backed the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill but have offered varying levels of rhetoric about it. Tugendhat, for instance, has said the ‘mood music’ would change once Johnson has gone, and that ‘we could legally negotiate some proper changes to the protocol’.Sunak has got it right in so much as folk pedalling fairy tales. The reality being avoided is that cutting taxes needs to be accompanied by cutting public spending. So, it’s disingenuous of anyone to talk about tax cuts without explaining where public spending cuts will come from, particularly in an environment of high inflation. This, btw, is the trap that Thatcher and Howe fell into at the start of the 80s. Couldn’t agree more.
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