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Post by partickpotter on Jul 10, 2022 8:56:38 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change.
Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this.
The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government.
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Post by redstriper on Jul 10, 2022 9:03:04 GMT
Rishi will do for me, especially now Boris is trying to derail him but this is the party who chose Cameron over Davies because they liked his suit who chose a remainer to execute brexit and who a chose an idle buffoon to replace her at a time we were facing massive challenges which needed to be tackled. basically they don't vote for who is best for the country, they vote for who they think is most likely to win the next election. There's some complete chancers in the list, Badenoch has only been in parliament 5 minutes for example, presumably their previous form on voting in completely unsuitable and unqualified candidates is what gives her hope.
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Post by farnborostokie63 on Jul 10, 2022 9:10:40 GMT
Never been much of a fan But hunt came across very well on the tv this morning I’ve got a feeling he might be the best candidate for the country and Ester Mcvey as deputy
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Post by andystokey on Jul 10, 2022 9:14:51 GMT
Never been much of a fan But hunt came across very well on the tv this morning I’ve got a feeling he might be the best candidate for the country and Ester Mcvey as deputy? !!!?? 🤔 Fixed that for you
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 10, 2022 9:18:35 GMT
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Post by professorplump on Jul 10, 2022 9:21:23 GMT
Rishi will do for me, especially now Boris is trying to derail him but this is the party who chose Cameron over Davies because they liked his suit who chose a remainer to execute brexit and who a chose an idle buffoon to replace her at a time we were facing massive challenges which needed to be tackled. basically they don't vote for who is best for the country, they vote for who they think is most likely to win the next election. There's some complete chancers in the list, Badenoch has only been in parliament 5 minutes for example, presumably their previous form on voting in completely unsuitable and unqualified candidates is what gives her hope. Badenoch knows she isn't going to win. The reason why she is standing is to raise her profile and get a better job in cabinet under the new leader.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 9:54:15 GMT
Probably still working on her re-creation of how Thatcher entered the Tory Leadership race back in 1975...few days yet... The Mail appear to have nailed their colours to her mast though so we can probably assume from that that she'll be a fucking disaster. The other thing we can see is the press and the rich believe a tax cut is the only way to win a GE. Sadly its the one thing we can't afford but don't worry someone, not you, will be better off in the long run. Spot on. It's always the same and, to a certain extent, you have to question the electorate. At what point does the penny drop that wanting first class public services means you actually have to pay for them? Do we really want more and more borrowing by government so taxes can be cut (usually in a way that benefits the rich most of all), elections won on the back of it, public services deteriorating still further, the country more indebted and spending even more on interest payments? Last year there was an acknowledgment (finally) by government that NI had to be raised to help fix social care and the NHS. No shit! Now, apparently, half the candidates are campaigning on the back of getting rid of this, and cutting other taxes too - it's crazy. Helping ordinary struggling families and fixing public services are not mutually exclusive. What you need is a tax regime that helps the worst off, not the best off.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 10, 2022 10:00:01 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 10:05:26 GMT
Based on that, Sunak will walk it.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2022 10:05:44 GMT
Of the so far candidates plus the couple likely to enter
Now Wallace has chosen not to enter my first choice would be mourdant and then hunt I could tolerate sunak & javid the rest pretty much well if But for the love of Christ not truss Lizzie’s a cup cake short of a WI meeting
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 10:10:41 GMT
Of the so far candidates plus the couple likely to enter Now Wallace has chosen not to enter my first choice would be mourdant and then hunt I could tolerate sunak & javid the rest pretty much well if But for the love of Christ not truss Lizzie’s a cup cake short of a WI meeting Are you a member, waga, and therefore get to vote? No-one has come out as a Tory member yet on here. I think everyone is assuming FYD must be.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 10, 2022 10:33:28 GMT
I must say, there are a lot of ethnic minority candidates for such a racist party! It’s true. Lots of women too. All very good and diverse and inclusive. It is a very woke group of candidates. It’s a shame that under most of their policies, Zahawi and Patel certainly wouldn’t be here (Zahawi would be on a plane to Rwanda). Possibly others. It is also a shame that Braverman and Bandenoch (sp) are basing their campaign on creating culture wars, dividing the country and waging a war on anything woke! It depend what you mean by 'anything woke'. I don't class wokeism as equal rights for women or minorities, that's just basic decency. Wokeism is kids being brainwashed in schools, people being threatened or 'de-platformed' for stating scientific facts and language being changed for the benefit of a tiny minority of the population. This all has to change
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Post by themistocles on Jul 10, 2022 10:41:02 GMT
Someone like this please.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2022 11:05:20 GMT
Of the so far candidates plus the couple likely to enter Now Wallace has chosen not to enter my first choice would be mourdant and then hunt I could tolerate sunak & javid the rest pretty much well if But for the love of Christ not truss Lizzie’s a cup cake short of a WI meeting Are you a member, waga, and therefore get to vote? No-one has come out as a Tory member yet on here. I think everyone is assuming FYD must be. No gave my membership up when they elected vacuous Dave Cameron
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Post by elystokie on Jul 10, 2022 11:11:19 GMT
It’s true. Lots of women too. All very good and diverse and inclusive. It is a very woke group of candidates. It’s a shame that under most of their policies, Zahawi and Patel certainly wouldn’t be here (Zahawi would be on a plane to Rwanda). Possibly others. It is also a shame that Braverman and Bandenoch (sp) are basing their campaign on creating culture wars, dividing the country and waging a war on anything woke! It depend what you mean by 'anything woke'. I don't class wokeism as equal rights for women or minorities, that's just basic decency. Wokeism is kids being brainwashed in schools, people being threatened or 'de-platformed' for stating scientific facts and language being changed for the benefit of a tiny minority of the population. This all has to change Seems there are as many interpretations of the word 'woke' as there are bicycles in Beijing
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2022 11:39:26 GMT
It depend what you mean by 'anything woke'. I don't class wokeism as equal rights for women or minorities, that's just basic decency. Wokeism is kids being brainwashed in schools, people being threatened or 'de-platformed' for stating scientific facts and language being changed for the benefit of a tiny minority of the population. This all has to change Seems there are as many interpretations of the word 'woke' as there are bicycles in Beijing Saw her live at blickling hall Norfolk Hell of a powerful voice for such a small lass
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Post by andystokey on Jul 10, 2022 11:52:36 GMT
The other thing we can see is the press and the rich believe a tax cut is the only way to win a GE. Sadly its the one thing we can't afford but don't worry someone, not you, will be better off in the long run. Spot on. It's always the same and, to a certain extent, you have to question the electorate. At what point does the penny drop that wanting first class public services means you actually have to pay for them? Do we really want more and more borrowing by government so taxes can be cut (usually in a way that benefits the rich most of all), elections won on the back of it, public services deteriorating still further, the country more indebted and spending even more on interest payments? Last year there was an acknowledgment (finally) by government that NI had to be raised to help fix social care and the NHS. No shit! Now, apparently, half the candidates are campaigning on the back of getting rid of this, and cutting other taxes too - it's crazy. Helping ordinary struggling families and fixing public services are not mutually exclusive. What you need is a tax regime that helps the worst off, not the best off. ..and the worst bit.. Javid campaigned to the treasury for that money as Health sec. This morning on TV he said he would find £1billion savings in the NHS to fund a tax cut. Beggars belief.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 12:24:36 GMT
Is Suella Baderman not in the running? I was reading about her last night. I won’t call her far-right but she’s definitely very far to the right.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 10, 2022 12:28:40 GMT
All those interviewed today promised more austerity which was nice.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 10, 2022 15:02:32 GMT
It’s true. Lots of women too. All very good and diverse and inclusive. It is a very woke group of candidates. It’s a shame that under most of their policies, Zahawi and Patel certainly wouldn’t be here (Zahawi would be on a plane to Rwanda). Possibly others. It is also a shame that Braverman and Bandenoch (sp) are basing their campaign on creating culture wars, dividing the country and waging a war on anything woke! It depend what you mean by 'anything woke'. I don't class wokeism as equal rights for women or minorities, that's just basic decency. Wokeism is kids being brainwashed in schools, people being threatened or 'de-platformed' for stating scientific facts and language being changed for the benefit of a tiny minority of the population. This all has to change Being woke means being alert to injustice in society or discrimination. Being woke should be something everyone should strive to be. The meaning has been distorted for culture wars.
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 10, 2022 15:08:55 GMT
Tories not very happy with Rishi (who can blame them). In it they claim he's a liar, and has indeed wasted £32bn on track and trace that was useless. Nearly all of us knew that. A note being passed around a Tory whatsapp group is below, and is a direct copy: source: www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/10/exclusive-anti-rishi-mucky-memo-setting-alight-tory-whatsapp/"GET READY FOR RISHIRishi Sunak is the Chancellor of the Exchequer who: • Enabled Boris Johnson’s reckless over-spending and increased UK taxes to the highest level since Clement Attlee. • Proudly announced on Twitter his commitment to “Big State” spending of £150billion in “The Largest Increase in Department Spending This Century”. • Broke a solemn Conservative Party manifesto promise NOT to raise taxes by increasing NIC. • Raised Corporation Tax by 30%. • Failed to deliver on the Brexit dividend to abolish 5% VAT on fuel. • Added £400billion to the national debt to pay workers not to work, only to spend countless more billions for them to eat out a few weeks later. • Stated that as a Conservative he would not borrow money to pay £12billion for Social Care, only to magic up £18billion for “cost of living” measures just a few months later. • Wasted £32billion on Track & Trace tech that never delivered.• Wrote off £4.9billion in COVID loan fraud as a result – in the words of Lord Agnew, his own minister - of “arrogance, indolence, ignorance” and "schoolboy errors". • Delivered a failed March 2022 budget that was a welter of contradictions, tax raises and sleights of hand that defied analysis, logic or comprehension. • Imposed an investment-destroying Windfall Tax on energy companies. • Refuses to support calls for tax cuts on the private sector as, he now states, “fairy tales” on the grounds that they would drive inflation yet has caved-in to huge pay rises to the public sector. Getting “Ready for Rishi” Means Supporting a Candidate who: • Like Boris, landed a “Partygate” fine from the police for breaking lockdown rules. • Publicly lied not once but twice when seeking to explain his wife’s “non-dom” tax status.• Secretly held a “Green Card” to work in the US eighteen months into his Chancellorship of the UK.• Maintains today that his resignation within minutes of Savid Javid was an unplanned coincidence. • Launched his campaign for the leadership of the Conservative Party with a website domain registered in December 2021. • Lingers in negative territory in the polls with no realistic prospect of regaining the trust of 4 out of 10 Conservative voters who are repelled by the Johnson administration. Let us keep this a Conservative Party with a small “c”. There is nothing Conservative about the “Big Tax and Big Spend” agenda of Rishi Sunak. It’s not even One Nation. It’s time for the Party decisively to move on. "
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 15:17:36 GMT
It depend what you mean by 'anything woke'. I don't class wokeism as equal rights for women or minorities, that's just basic decency. Wokeism is kids being brainwashed in schools, people being threatened or 'de-platformed' for stating scientific facts and language being changed for the benefit of a tiny minority of the population. This all has to change Being woke means being alert to injustice in society or discrimination. Being woke should be something everyone should strive to be. The meaning has been distorted for culture wars. Wokery is just the latest attempt at deflection. An easy target for people who don't want to think too closely about why the country is in a mess. See immigrants, "the Left", the EU for previous examples. Coming soon...the Green Agenda.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 10, 2022 15:25:23 GMT
Being woke means being alert to injustice in society or discrimination. Being woke should be something everyone should strive to be. The meaning has been distorted for culture wars. Wokery is just the latest attempt at deflection. An easy target for people who don't want to think too closely about why the country is in a mess. See immigrants, "the Left", the EU for previous examples. Coming soon...the Green Agenda. I think 'enemies of the people' will be doing a comeback tour with the Protocol in the next few months as well
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2022 15:26:19 GMT
Are you a member, waga, and therefore get to vote? No-one has come out as a Tory member yet on here. I think everyone is assuming FYD must be. No gave my membership up when they elected vacuous Dave Cameron Can I assume you were a David Davis man at the time?
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 10, 2022 15:32:08 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. Interesting that she chose to use a clip with Oscar Pistorious in it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 10, 2022 15:41:32 GMT
Not bothered who wins, but, as mentioned previously, the presidential style of government that Blair brought in and reached a nadir with Johnson has to change. Interesting then that one candidate, at least, has raised this. The Tory MPs who select the two final candidates should take this opportunity and ensure whoever becomes leader returns to “proper” government. Interesting that she chose to use a clip with Oscar Pistorious in it. She’s edited him in a second version. Also Jonny Peacock asked to be removed because in his words “anyone but blues”
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 10, 2022 15:44:39 GMT
Interesting that she chose to use a clip with Oscar Pistorious in it. She’s edited him in a second version. Also Jonny Peacock asked to be removed because in his words “anyone but blues” i saw but OP is in that one above. Such a dreadfully dated approach to that video too, it feels like it was made about 40 years ago.
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 10, 2022 15:47:02 GMT
i'll never ever forgive Rishi
Such a dreadful human being, a liar and a snake. He has precisely zero fucks for the general population.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 10, 2022 15:52:08 GMT
Being woke means being alert to injustice in society or discrimination. Being woke should be something everyone should strive to be. The meaning has been distorted for culture wars. Wokery is just the latest attempt at deflection. An easy target for people who don't want to think too closely about why the country is in a mess. See immigrants, "the Left", the EU for previous examples. Coming soon...the Green Agenda. 'Woke' simply means having an awareness of and caring about social injustice. In the good ol'US of A there is a caucus of right wing religious fundamentalist who really don't think there should be social justice - it's their way or no way - as such 'wokery' is an existential threat. Over here that dynamic doesn't really exist so it has been weaponised by the political right to create a 'bogeyman' - ie 'this is what you get if you don't vote for us'. Like you should need a 'bogeyman' with an 80 seat majority if you're actually any fucking good at what you do?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2022 15:54:54 GMT
No gave my membership up when they elected vacuous Dave Cameron Can I assume you were a David Davis man at the time? I certainly was
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