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Post by leicspotter on Nov 4, 2022 10:39:55 GMT
FIFA are asking everyone to "concentrate on the football", which is really their way of saying, "stop criticising us for being morally bankrupt and almost certainly corrupt" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63506951I have yet to see anything come out of FIFA that doesn't somehow link back to money
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 4, 2022 14:39:12 GMT
FIFA are asking everyone to "concentrate on the football", which is really their way of saying, "stop criticising us for being morally bankrupt and almost certainly corrupt" www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63506951I have yet to see anything come out of FIFA that doesn't somehow link back to money FIFA is embarrassing and that statement just endorses my opinion. I can agree, no one nation is better than the others and there are different beliefs and ways of living, but there are some nations, including Qatar, who are worse than others. Are FIFA really saying that human rights, acceptance of same sex relationships and fair treatment of migrant workers are just options and we should accept that perhaps Qatar's stance is justifiable and the rest of the world are wrong. I would strongly support a boycott of this world cup.
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Post by Scouse on Nov 4, 2022 16:03:30 GMT
Qatar organising committee will pay 40 fans from each country , with flights , hotels , match tickets & £60 a day in return for signing a code of conduct to deliver only positive messages about the country , the tournament , the organisation , hotels and sing when the Qataris say sing , and sing what the Qataris want sung to provide good camera shots / TV whilst reporting on any social media criticism ..including the ‘England band leader’ John Hemmingham
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 4, 2022 17:00:47 GMT
It can……if you pay me. Why anyone would agree to do this is beyond me. I think its relatively straightforward to find 40 people who don't have any human values and will be seduced by the dosh, still a good question though.
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Post by Scouse on Nov 4, 2022 17:06:34 GMT
It can……if you pay me. Why anyone would agree to do this is beyond me. I think its relatively straightforward to find 40 people who don't have any human values and will be seduced by the dosh, still a good question though. Finding 40 is easy ..finding 41 a lot harder , some would say impossible otherwise they’d have gone for more Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase naughty 40
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 5, 2022 0:28:04 GMT
The whole thing is sick and getting sicker.
'Last week the Observer revealed the Qatari government had made gifts to members of parliament worth £251,208 in the 12 months to October 2022, including stays at luxury hotels with “vast swimming pools”, business class travel on Qatar Airways and a private dinner with Qatari World Cup officials. By pure coincidence some of those MPs would later praise Qatar or advocate its interests in the house of commons. “There is no suggestion that any MP broke rules” the Observer notes. OK then. So what does this tell us, exactly, about the rules?'
These 40 so called fans should be named and shamed as well as these MPs
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 5, 2022 5:32:38 GMT
Is there anyone here who thinks the world cup in Qatar is a positive thing? I don't mean an ignore the problems because there's nothing you can do about it mindset. I mean, does anyone feel it's a good thing that Qatar are hosting it?
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Post by werrington on Nov 5, 2022 7:36:42 GMT
Is there anyone here who thinks the world cup in Qatar is a positive thing? I don't mean an ignore the problems because there's nothing you can do about it mindset. I mean, does anyone feel it's a good thing that Qatar are hosting it? Are the Grand Prix in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia a good thing mate along with Anthony Joshua etc going to fight in Saudi Arabia…..I don’t see this much outcry at that?……and I’ll bet many on here denouncing this gather round their TVs on a Sunday and shell out for PPV and/or jet off to Dubai for an exciting break Why is it that it’s always football who has to lead the way? I’m not defending Qatar it’s a disgrace I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy
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Post by ravey123 on Nov 5, 2022 7:51:57 GMT
No
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 5, 2022 8:23:05 GMT
Is there anyone here who thinks the world cup in Qatar is a positive thing? I don't mean an ignore the problems because there's nothing you can do about it mindset. I mean, does anyone feel it's a good thing that Qatar are hosting it? Are the Grand Prix in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia a good thing mate along with Anthony Joshua etc going to fight in Saudi Arabia…..I don’t see this much outcry at that?……and I’ll bet many on here denouncing this gather round their TVs on a Sunday and shell out for PPV and/or jet off to Dubai for an exciting break Why is it that it’s always football who has to lead the way? I’m not defending Qatar it’s a disgrace I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy Sportswashing isn't new. As long ago as 1934 Mussolini was milking the world cup for all he could get. One thing is though, the other events you mention are nowhere near as prestigious as the world cup. Although, as you say, the one's you refer to are appalling
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Post by werrington on Nov 5, 2022 8:34:00 GMT
Are the Grand Prix in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia a good thing mate along with Anthony Joshua etc going to fight in Saudi Arabia…..I don’t see this much outcry at that?……and I’ll bet many on here denouncing this gather round their TVs on a Sunday and shell out for PPV and/or jet off to Dubai for an exciting break Why is it that it’s always football who has to lead the way? I’m not defending Qatar it’s a disgrace I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy Sportswashing isn't new. As long ago as 1934 Mussolini was milking the world cup for all he could get. One thing is though, the other events you mention are nowhere near as prestigious as the world cup. Although, as you say, the one's you refer to are appalling I’m on about those on here also mate ….probably most of the I’m not watching it brigade I think a lot of what I said above will relate to them
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Post by enuntio on Nov 5, 2022 8:48:37 GMT
I can't imagine it will be much fun for the fans that actually go there.
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Post by Gods on Nov 5, 2022 9:26:18 GMT
I can't imagine it will be much fun for the fans that actually go there. I'm not sure I'd agree with that. I imagine Quatar is not unlike the other Arab states, spectacular hotels, sunny weather, places to drink and more hot knickered east European 'escorts' than you can shake a stick at. Be different, I'll give you that!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 9:39:03 GMT
Is there anyone off here with tickets to go?
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Post by sticky on Nov 5, 2022 9:43:20 GMT
Is there anyone here who thinks the world cup in Qatar is a positive thing? I don't mean an ignore the problems because there's nothing you can do about it mindset. I mean, does anyone feel it's a good thing that Qatar are hosting it? No it’s an absoloute scandal how a country the size of Qatar gets to host the biggest sporting event in the world, on top of that they dictate when it’s going to be🤦🏻♂️ That’s without all the appalling shit that goes with it.. not comparable to a one of boxing match or f1 race really is it, this is supposed to be a chance for normal folk to go out to another country and have a holiday/experience. I went Germany and loved every minute of it, not a chance I’d go there even if it was free
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Post by Han Solo on Nov 5, 2022 9:49:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 9:53:27 GMT
Awkward
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 5, 2022 9:56:29 GMT
It can……if you pay me. Why anyone would agree to do this is beyond me. I think its relatively straightforward to find 40 people who don't have any human values and will be seduced by the dosh, still a good question though. Just go on the Oatcake EE board, sorted
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Post by Han Solo on Nov 5, 2022 10:09:13 GMT
Awkward Very.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 10:14:16 GMT
Awkward Very. He would be better telling the truth really as it would stop them from taking the piss..... "I'm not really arsed about what goes on in Qatar or any other Middle East country as it affects my life in no way, shape or form. I'm going over there to commentate on a football tournament because that is my job". That would shut them all up instantly.
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 5, 2022 10:59:51 GMT
He would be better telling the truth really as it would stop them from taking the piss..... "I'm not really arsed about what goes on in Qatar or any other Middle East country as it affects my life in no way, shape or form. I'm going over there to commentate on a football tournament because that is my job". That would shut them all up instantly. It would fuck his champagne socialist image though. I actually like Gary Neville. However, he's painted himself in a corner for stuff like this. I truly hope this world cup is a disaster - I've got a nagging feeling this is the one we'll actually win though!
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Post by chinupstokie on Nov 5, 2022 11:10:09 GMT
Sportswashing isn't new. As long ago as 1934 Mussolini was milking the world cup for all he could get. One thing is though, the other events you mention are nowhere near as prestigious as the world cup. Although, as you say, the one's you refer to are appalling I’m on about those on here also mate ….probably most of the I’m not watching it brigade I think a lot of what I said above will relate to them While it’s a fair point to criticise other sports which have taken place in the Middle East its not fair to criticise other fans who have strongly held views on this, although its not clear who you are calling hypocrites, the fans or the sports. I don’t really follow any other sport other than football so thankfully I’ve never had to “shell out for PPV and/or jet off to Dubai for an exciting break”. Thousands of migrant workers didn’t die in these other sports, although I don’t know about corruption in F1 or boxing. I’ve followed England home and away for the last 18 years (I have 160 total caps),I didn’t go to any of the qualifies & I have no interest in going to Quatar and I won’t be watching any of the matches, although this will be tough. While one poster on this thread said that no one will care if you don’t watch, I’m sure the footballing authorities and advertisers will be watching closely the viewing figures. FIFA’s statement this week shows that they are worried.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 11:14:01 GMT
He would be better telling the truth really as it would stop them from taking the piss..... "I'm not really arsed about what goes on in Qatar or any other Middle East country as it affects my life in no way, shape or form. I'm going over there to commentate on a football tournament because that is my job". That would shut them all up instantly. It would fuck his champagne socialist image though. I actually like Gary Neville. However, he's painted himself in a corner for stuff like this. I truly hope this world cup is a disaster - I've got a nagging feeling this is the one we'll actually win though! If we do win it, I'll be celebrating it as hard as I would if it was a World Cup anywhere else in the World.
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Post by werrington on Nov 5, 2022 11:30:16 GMT
I’m on about those on here also mate ….probably most of the I’m not watching it brigade I think a lot of what I said above will relate to them While it’s a fair point to criticise other sports which have taken place in the Middle East its not fair to criticise other fans who have strongly held views on this, although its not clear who you are calling hypocrites, the fans or the sports. I don’t really follow any other sport other than football so thankfully I’ve never had to “shell out for PPV and/or jet off to Dubai for an exciting break”. Thousands of migrant workers didn’t die in these other sports, although I don’t know about corruption in F1 or boxing. I’ve followed England home and away for the last 18 years (I have 160 total caps),I didn’t go to any of the qualifies & I have no interest in going to Quatar and I won’t be watching any of the matches, although this will be tough. While one poster on this thread said that no one will care if you don’t watch, I’m sure the footballing authorities and advertisers will be watching closely the viewing figures. FIFA’s statement this week shows that they are worried. I too have followed England all over the world both football and cricket ( still do in a fashion ) but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong with the hypocrisy bit It’s just always football that has to fight the fight
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 5, 2022 11:47:19 GMT
With regards to sportswashing in general. I personally feel that neither the F1 nor boxing should be played out in countries that have such appalling human rights records, and views that seem incompatible with the modern world.
I understand that it can be viewed as 'their turf, their rules'; however, for me anyway, that point becomes redundant when it's a sport that doesn't abide by those dreadful views, and the host country, who don't want people to 'misbehave' have actively spent billions, and sought to get the biggest sporting tournament in the world.
Not only is it their archaic and dreadful views, nearly 7000 slaves have died building the stadiums. Not sure even that level of horrendousness applies to other sports. Also, the world's top domestic leagues have been disrupted as the original pitch for the tournament was not possible to insane temperatures.
I won't be watching, i don't feel there is much enthusiasm for it at the moment either.
I won't be surprised to see FIFA award it to China in the not too distant future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 11:57:48 GMT
Is there anyone here who thinks the world cup in Qatar is a positive thing? I don't mean an ignore the problems because there's nothing you can do about it mindset. I mean, does anyone feel it's a good thing that Qatar are hosting it? I suppose it will all depend on the aftermath. Qatar have improved legislation for workers during this 12 year period, for example. They have made reforms and part of their bid was to do so. Are their reforms to the same standard as “the West”? Probably not. They also have failed to change other aspects of their society in accordance with Western values. However, if the World Cup does lead to an overall improvement in the average quality of life for their people, then yeah, it’s been a good thing.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 5, 2022 12:57:17 GMT
Awkward Indeed, he was crawling up his own arse there to get away.
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Post by skip on Nov 5, 2022 13:19:03 GMT
To be fair to Gary Neville, the producers will have chosen him precisely because of the forthcoming World Cup and his attendance as a commentator. Given that HIGNFY has rehearsals he will have been awaiting the inevitable questions from Hislop but wouldn't have known how far Hislop and perhaps Merton but Hislop mostly would have taken digs at him, or how - witty, sarcastic or serous.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 5, 2022 13:29:03 GMT
Awkward Not awkward enough for me, I thought they let him off very lightly.
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Post by J-Roar on Nov 5, 2022 14:07:49 GMT
It would fuck his champagne socialist image though. I actually like Gary Neville. However, he's painted himself in a corner for stuff like this. I truly hope this world cup is a disaster - I've got a nagging feeling this is the one we'll actually win though! If we do win it, I'll be celebrating it as hard as I would if it was a World Cup anywhere else in the World. Me too. Be typical to win a tainted one though.
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