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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2022 22:16:51 GMT
UEFA have been itching to take it away from FIFA for years. They might see now as the time that they'll finally get the support from the big European nations to make it a reality. Or, somebody else might come through who we're not currently aware of. But there's no doubting that FIFA are under very serious pressure and right now, could end up becoming an extremely critical moment in it's history. It deserves to fall and has done for many years, is now the tipping point? Who knows? I guess we'll find out soon enough ... FIFA court Africa Central America for support as they know it’s a massive block vote. Which supersedes UEFAs numbers That doesn't really mean anything though, if France, Spain, Germany, Italy, England, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, USA, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina have all left to play in somebody else's World Cup.
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Post by franklin on Nov 23, 2022 22:20:15 GMT
UEFA have been itching to take it away from FIFA for years. They might see now as the time that they'll finally get the support from the big European nations to make it a reality. Or, somebody else might come through who we're not currently aware of. But there's no doubting that FIFA are under very serious pressure and right now, could end up becoming an extremely critical moment in it's history. It deserves to fall and has done for many years, is now the tipping point? Who knows? I guess we'll find out soon enough ... FIFA court Africa Central America for support as they know it’s a massive block vote. Which supersedes UEFAs numbers A world cup without Europe would be nothing.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 23, 2022 22:47:16 GMT
FIFA court Africa Central America for support as they know it’s a massive block vote. Which supersedes UEFAs numbers That doesn't really mean anything though, if France, Spain, Germany, Italy, England, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, USA, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina have all left to play in somebody else's World Cup. If the main European and South American footballing countries left fifa. FIFA would collapse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 22:56:04 GMT
I think we may have identified the real issue here, the one love armbands are not the real cause here. I bet some football associations are not happy about the event being held in a country with no real football pedigree, the fact it has messed around with the domestic leagues and most likely a whole host of other reasons. hey are just out to cause FIFA shit but not saying it directly, it is a show of petulance at them. Of the last four world cups, South Africa, Russia and Qatar have hardly been inspiring, but I can accept the first two. Brazil had every right they are footballing royalty but was it the right time? Could you imagine a 1986 World Cup in Colombia? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FIFA_World_Cup#Host_selectionNever mind not drinking beer in Qatar stadiums, Colombian coffee and what is there other famous export? Im not so sure I like the 2026 format either, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_CupIt is detracting the tournament increasing the number of teams and some countries are there which dont deserve to be and others at home, eg Italy who should.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 23, 2022 23:04:45 GMT
That doesn't really mean anything though, if France, Spain, Germany, Italy, England, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, USA, Mexico, Brazil and Argentina have all left to play in somebody else's World Cup. If the main European and South American footballing countries left fifa. FIFA would collapse. Yep, that's exactly the point we were making.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2022 0:24:27 GMT
If the main European and South American footballing countries left fifa. FIFA would collapse. Yep, that's exactly the point we were making. It would be fantastic if due to unexpectedly finding a backbone from other Conferences FIFA was forced to reform but I think it's highly unlikely for the usual reasons 💵 The next World Cup is "shared" between US/Canada/Mexico but all knockout games will be in US The main sponsors at Qatar World Cup are Anheuser-Busch, Coca-Cola, Visa and Adidas and Fox are paying $1.2B for TV rights Do you really think they will give a shit who turns up. The US already crown World Champions in Football (not Soccer) Basketball, Ice Hockey and Baseball Do you think the Bud Drinking, Hot Dog eating Fox Sports watching "Fans" will give a shit about legitimacy? GO USA
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Post by andystokey on Nov 24, 2022 8:16:47 GMT
Yep, that's exactly the point we were making. It would be fantastic if due to unexpectedly finding a backbone from other Conferences FIFA was forced to reform but I think it's highly unlikely for the usual reasons 💵 The next World Cup is "shared" between US/Canada/Mexico but all knockout games will be in US The main sponsors at Qatar World Cup are Anheuser-Busch, Coca-Cola, Visa and Adidas and Fox are paying $1.2B for TV rights Do you really think they will give a shit who turns up. The US already crown World Champions in Football (not Soccer) Basketball, Ice Hockey and Baseball Do you think the Bud Drinking, Hot Dog eating Fox Sports watching "Fans" will give a shit about legitimacy? GO USA The example I gave earlier was the PDC vs BDO. All the best players and all the advertising followed. After an initially messy divorce the game was up for the BDO. Budweiser and anyone else will just follow the audiences. Nobody want to watch Andorra or Saudi Arabia. They want to watch the European and South American superpowers.
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Post by werrington on Nov 24, 2022 9:08:48 GMT
It would be a carve up and the elite would transform it to suit themselves leaving the rest ( us ) behind
The game would change overnight and it would be me more than likely walking away from it as the English football pyramid would be no more
The World Cup would no longer see countries like Italy not in attendance as it would be a given
Like I put earlier in the thread it would be akin to Iraq once Hussain was ousted, all battling for their share and utter broken carnage as they scrap for power and control
FIFA most certain needs revamping but IT HAS to be the ultimate football body and not two or three variations
Be very careful what you wish for
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Post by wannabee on Nov 24, 2022 9:25:03 GMT
It would be fantastic if due to unexpectedly finding a backbone from other Conferences FIFA was forced to reform but I think it's highly unlikely for the usual reasons 💵 The next World Cup is "shared" between US/Canada/Mexico but all knockout games will be in US The main sponsors at Qatar World Cup are Anheuser-Busch, Coca-Cola, Visa and Adidas and Fox are paying $1.2B for TV rights Do you really think they will give a shit who turns up. The US already crown World Champions in Football (not Soccer) Basketball, Ice Hockey and Baseball Do you think the Bud Drinking, Hot Dog eating Fox Sports watching "Fans" will give a shit about legitimacy? GO USA The example I gave earlier was the PDC vs BDO. All the best players and all the advertising followed. After an initially messy divorce the game was up for the BDO. Budweiser and anyone else will just follow the audiences. Nobody want to watch Andorra or Saudi Arabia. They want to watch the European and South American superpowers. I hope your right, I have my doubts especially because of the location of the next World Cup and most FAs are a bunch of hypocrites The sort of equivalents I can think of are the 1976 Montreal Olympics when Africa Boycotted due to New Zealand Rugby breaking UN Sanctions on Apartheid the 1980 Moscow Boycott (not UK despite Thatcher's best efforts) due to Afghanistan invasion and 1984 LA by USSR and allies in retaliation for 1980. Life went on. As long as TV produces a product and Fox would and sponsors buy in nobody would care The downfall of the BDO was mostly because of poor marketing It was losing TV coverage and therefore sponsors because of how it was perceived Here is a clip that humorously but accurately reflects how people felt towards darts and the image was not acceptable to sponsors in a changing world
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Post by andystokey on Nov 24, 2022 9:29:10 GMT
It would be a carve up and the elite would transform it to suit themselves leaving the rest ( us ) behind The game would change overnight and it would be me more than likely walking away from it as the English football pyramid would be no more The World Cup would no longer see countries like Italy not in attendance as it would be a given Like I put earlier in the thread it would be akin to Iraq once Hussain was ousted, all battling for their share and utter broken carnage as they scrap for power and control FIFA most certain needs revamping but IT HAS to be the ultimate football body and not two or three variations Be very careful what you wish for Fifa has very limited influence on the UK footballing pyramid and most of it is bad. The FA is more in touch with (my) footballing world than Fifa. Grassroots Sunday football and even my beloved Potters have virtually nothing to do with the artificial world Fifa has created. Fifa basically think they own the game and then run a tournament every four years, which is more often than not awful and mired in controversy. Expanding the finals tournament had little or nothing to do with expanding the game and more to with money syphoned from minor federations. If Fifa simply concentrated on growing the game in non footballing countries I'd have more respect. They can do that without being this anachronistic monstrosity that they have currently become. The truth is Fifa represents no one yet takes massive sums of money for doing harm.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 24, 2022 9:38:44 GMT
The example I gave earlier was the PDC vs BDO. All the best players and all the advertising followed. After an initially messy divorce the game was up for the BDO. Budweiser and anyone else will just follow the audiences. Nobody want to watch Andorra or Saudi Arabia. They want to watch the European and South American superpowers. I hope your right, I have my doubts especially because of the location of the next World Cup and most FAs are a bunch of hypocrites The sort of equivalents I can think of are the 1976 Montreal Olympics when Africa Boycotted due to New Zealand Rugby breaking UN Sanctions on Apartheid the 1980 Moscow Boycott (not UK despite Thatcher's best efforts) due to Afghanistan invasion and 1984 LA by USSR and allies in retaliation for 1980. Life went on. As long as TV produces a product and Fox would and sponsors buy in nobody would care The downfall of the BDO was mostly because of poor marketing It was losing TV coverage and therefore sponsors because of how it was perceived Here is a clip that humorously but accurately reflects how people felt towards darts and the image was not acceptable to sponsors in a changing world I disagree with the perception part the BDO weren't business minded, the perception was secondary. They had a product that lots of people wanted to watch and had no idea how to leverage it. Much as I don't have a great deal of time for Barry Hearn he knew how to make it work and with darts and snooker created a worldwide product that prior to that was in danger of becoming forgotten like table skittles.
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Post by werrington on Nov 24, 2022 10:50:04 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2022 11:22:53 GMT
That's a great thread Mick. His point is exactly the one I started making two years ago when the English players began taking the knee ... a token gesture that costs them nothing, when Rohingya people are being taken into forced labour camps in China to make sports clothing for their sponsors, stinks of total hypocrisy and is (imo) nothing more than crass, virtue signaling. Emirates Airlines are an official sponsor of the FA FFS! However there are several interesting replies on that thread, it's a very complicated debate but whatever the complexities amount to, to think that all you have to do is kneel for a few seconds before the ref blows his whistle, is utterly pathetic.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2022 16:07:54 GMT
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Post by Scouse on Nov 26, 2022 9:37:32 GMT
As I’ve posted similar on the QTR v SNGL thread on the footie forum
For me .. and people that like to travel ( I tend to see myself as a traveler rather than a tourist )
Qatar, like UAE before them and many of the other states , kingdoms in the area are looking to diversify their oil & gas money that they know won’t last at the same rates forever , into other sectors including tourism , by branching out from being just a transport hub to the Far East , to a destination in its own right for the well healed ..spending money on sport is one route to advertise that fact
They’re aware concessions will have to be made , seen as tiny steps by us maybe , but by their rulers , those in real power and large swathes of their population huge steps .. as once the genie is released from the bottle you’re unlikely to put it wholly back again , even a return or crackdown or military coup leaves behind descenting voices or opposition groups from those that enjoyed previous freedoms
Saudi Arabia are another following the tourism route and using football to advertise the fact and open the doors ..E VISAs are I believe now available online for around £100 ,importantly without invite letters , meaning independent travel there is now possible ..totally unheard of not so long ago and whilst Mecca is still closed in its entirety to non Muslims, Medina can now be openly visited , though the important Mosque there remains strictly off bounds
Just as telling , whilst still a place to choose to visit with extreme caution for the first time in many , many years our own countries government advise for Algeria has , other than the land border areas , recently been changed from advise against all travel ( red ) to green see our advice before travelling ( missing out amber entirely other than close to the Tunisian border .. this is a huge step forward not least as red invalidates normal travel insurance ..green with advice doesn’t … clearly it’s not for everyone and you still need to think very carefully before visiting
It’s not always a straight line out of oppression ..Myanmar and Iran all made steps forward only to go backwards again ..but clearly countries in the region are beginning to try to build futures for themselves and as a traveller who prefers visiting and experiencing other cultures hopefully the changes are being made just slightly that makes it easier and more palatable to visit
Football wise , unsurprisingly Qatar are pants
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 26, 2022 10:40:31 GMT
Could be a misquote but what a ridiculous and stupid thing to say if true.
It’ll be interesting to see if any action’s taken.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 26, 2022 18:20:59 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 28, 2022 22:54:54 GMT
Anyone watch this tonight?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 29, 2022 0:27:23 GMT
VAR aside this is proving to be a fantastic World Cup and a nice distraction from all the other crap going on in the world.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 29, 2022 0:31:59 GMT
Anyone watch this tonight? Very good watch. Tragic that these guys were cancelled. Keys is absolutely right - The Western neo-colonial vitriol and hatred thrown at Arabic culture and Qatar over the past weeks has been incredibly racist.
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Post by musik on Nov 29, 2022 0:40:28 GMT
Much about the World Cup in Qatar has in Sweden been about a discussion concering human rights, lack of democracy and hbtq rights et cetera.
Too much perhaps. It's good the discussion comes if it's needed, but I think a football tournament should be about football. The people and teams from Germany and Denmark for instance, according to reports in the swedish media, tv and so on, are focusing very much on the other things. Many people in Germany aren't even following their own team because the games are in Qatar.
I doubt it's true, but if it's true, the worst part of this must be the thousands of killed migrant workers who have built the stadiums.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 29, 2022 0:48:48 GMT
Anyone watch this tonight? Very good watch. Tragic that these guys were cancelled. Keys is absolutely right - The Western neo-colonial vitriol and hatred thrown at Arabic culture and Qatar over the past weeks has been incredibly racist. You can’t condone their behaviour as it was clearly wrong but frequently in cases like this the punishment, reaction and impact on someone’s life for stupid mistakes and idiocy is way excessive and there are times when they’re treated worse than if they’d killed somebody. I wonder what people would have said about Andy Gray if he’d taken those pills. I’m sure there’s some that would say “serves him right.” The saddest thing is often those judging and that are most vocal are the ones that claim to fight strongest against hate and misjustice. It’s a shame that there ethics rarely stretch to forgiveness.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 29, 2022 1:28:38 GMT
Anyone watch this tonight? Very good watch. Tragic that these guys were cancelled. Keys is absolutely right - The Western neo-colonial vitriol and hatred thrown at Arabic culture and Qatar over the past weeks has been incredibly racist. I think you've "Smashed" it Bianco. I believe this sanctimonious pair have found there spiritual home in their current residence which has little regard for women's equality and should be treated as mere Chattels Of course that doesn't give a free pass to the PC Sky TV who have a particular recruitment policy in their female presenters
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Post by wannabee on Nov 29, 2022 1:50:52 GMT
Very good watch. Tragic that these guys were cancelled. Keys is absolutely right - The Western neo-colonial vitriol and hatred thrown at Arabic culture and Qatar over the past weeks has been incredibly racist. You can’t condone their behaviour as it was clearly wrong but frequently in cases like this the punishment, reaction and impact on someone’s life for stupid mistakes and idiocy is way excessive and there are times when they’re treated worse than if they’d killed somebody. I wonder what people would have said about Andy Gray if he’d taken those pills. I’m sure there’s some that would say “serves him right.” The saddest thing is often those judging and that are most vocal are the ones that claim to fight strongest against hate and misjustice. It’s a shame that there ethics rarely stretch to forgiveness. Parleaaase are you talking about the same Andy Grey whose 3rd wife quite recently left him because he was sexting 2 women one in Qatar and one in UK while simultaneously trying to "get in on" with a female work colleague who told him to Fuck Off Or maybe your referring to Richard Keys who left his wife of 34 years while she was battling Cancer to take up with a friend of his Daughters 30 years younger than him Personally I couldn't give a toss what these Misogynists do in their private life and more fool the women who fall for their BS, but they really don't need to be doing self deflecting interviews and nor should anyone be taken in by their crap
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Post by knype on Nov 29, 2022 6:37:46 GMT
VAR aside this is proving to be a fantastic World Cup and a nice distraction from all the other crap going on in the world. Not watched 1 minute of this so far tbf. May stick the England vs Wales game on later if I get time
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 29, 2022 8:18:55 GMT
You can’t condone their behaviour as it was clearly wrong but frequently in cases like this the punishment, reaction and impact on someone’s life for stupid mistakes and idiocy is way excessive and there are times when they’re treated worse than if they’d killed somebody. I wonder what people would have said about Andy Gray if he’d taken those pills. I’m sure there’s some that would say “serves him right.” The saddest thing is often those judging and that are most vocal are the ones that claim to fight strongest against hate and misjustice. It’s a shame that there ethics rarely stretch to forgiveness. Parleaaase are you talking about the same Andy Grey whose 3rd wife quite recently left him because he was sexting 2 women one in Qatar and one in UK while simultaneously trying to "get in on" with a female work colleague who told him to Fuck Off Or maybe your referring to Richard Keys who left his wife of 34 years while she was battling Cancer to take up with a friend of his Daughters 30 years younger than him Personally I couldn't give a toss what these Misogynists do in their private life and more fool the women who fall for their BS, but they really don't need to be doing self deflecting interviews and nor should anyone be taken in by their crap 1) These alleged incidents happened after they were sacked from Sky Sports. 2) There’s 2 sides to every story. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7701015/amp/Richard-Keys-DENIES-left-cancer-stricken-wife-daughters-friend.htmlWhat I would say is I’m no fan of either Keys or Gray but shouldn’t personal issues like these be dealt with between the 2 parties privately and not splattered all over the papers just to get more readers. The post wasn’t specifically about the pair it was about the reporting of peoples personal issues and the impact it has on their lives. Caroline Flack being the saddest example. None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes do bad things but sometimes the punishment (suicide) doesn’t fit the crime. Pushing people to the final and worst possible ending isn’t the answer. The pushing of “be nice” doesn’t appear to have worked as bad news still sells it appears. www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/arts/caroline-flack-news.htmlI’m sure Caroline won’t be the last.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 29, 2022 10:15:12 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 29, 2022 11:11:42 GMT
As someone who’s quick to judge people for judging after hearing one side you’re very quick to make your mind up re what happened on the account of the Sun and the Mail who are often judged by many as not being the most reliable source. Relationships are complicated things and aren’t always as straight forwards as one party being totally to blame. That said there behaviour isn’t good. As I say I’m no fan of either but the main point Im trying to make is that the press can cost peoples life and mental health. Not deflecting just a point I’m trying to make.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 29, 2022 11:23:12 GMT
Which is why I'm saying their interview serves no purpose other than a self serving attempt to airbrush their appalling behaviours Which part of this are you failing to understand? Do you think the interview taking place in Qatar during World Cup was designed to get maximum publicity or was just coincidental?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 29, 2022 11:54:49 GMT
Which is why I'm saying their interview serves no purpose other than a self serving attempt to airbrush their appalling behaviours Which part of this are you failing to understand? Do you think the interview taking place in Qatar during World Cup was designed to get maximum publicity or was just coincidental? Who knows. My point isn’t around this interview it’s more around the impact that a press witch-hunt can have on peoples lives.
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