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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 24, 2022 23:13:10 GMT
It's coming home 🦁🦁🦁
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 23:19:50 GMT
Too much being made of where it's at the England should have had it old chestnut. Bottom line is its there and you can prattle the moral high ground but not a single nation will pull out and why should they? Sure there were shenanigans as there are with many things but no reason the Arab nations shouldn't have a World Cup any less than any other part of the World. In fact possibly more so as never previously held one . Australia/NZ probably have the biggest claim to one.
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 25, 2022 0:42:48 GMT
Only if 100% of the proceeds go to aid Ukraine.
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Post by zommbee on Mar 25, 2022 1:56:15 GMT
Too much being made of where it's at the England should have had it old chestnut. Bottom line is its there and you can prattle the moral high ground but not a single nation will pull out and why should they? Sure there were shenanigans as there are with many things but no reason the Arab nations shouldn't have a World Cup any less than any other part of the World. In fact possibly more so as never previously held one . Australia/NZ probably have the biggest claim to one. To be fair, no one on this thread has said "the England should have had it" old chestnut. There's a few "prattling the moral high ground" and they may have a point and they're entitled to their opinions. I agree that there's no reason for the finals not be held in Qatar and no country will pull out because of human rights issues, it wont be the first time a World cup has been held in a country with a dubious government, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, USA, South Africa, Brazil, Russia, the list goes on.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 25, 2022 2:42:31 GMT
Too much being made of where it's at the England should have had it old chestnut. Bottom line is its there and you can prattle the moral high ground but not a single nation will pull out and why should they? Sure there were shenanigans as there are with many things but no reason the Arab nations shouldn't have a World Cup any less than any other part of the World. In fact possibly more so as never previously held one . Australia/NZ probably have the biggest claim to one. Theey got divided up in the end and England's was the best bid for 2018 by a mile. To show I'm not biased I'll point put the best bid for 2022 wasn't Australia but the USA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 7:01:34 GMT
Too much being made of where it's at the England should have had it old chestnut. Bottom line is its there and you can prattle the moral high ground but not a single nation will pull out and why should they? Sure there were shenanigans as there are with many things but no reason the Arab nations shouldn't have a World Cup any less than any other part of the World. In fact possibly more so as never previously held one . Australia/NZ probably have the biggest claim to one. Theey got divided up in the end and England's was the best bid for 2018 by a mile. To show I'm not biased I'll point put the best bid for 2022 wasn't Australia but the USA. Not saying was the best bid, Joe but the one part of the World not to host it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 7:02:29 GMT
Too much being made of where it's at the England should have had it old chestnut. Bottom line is its there and you can prattle the moral high ground but not a single nation will pull out and why should they? Sure there were shenanigans as there are with many things but no reason the Arab nations shouldn't have a World Cup any less than any other part of the World. In fact possibly more so as never previously held one . Australia/NZ probably have the biggest claim to one. To be fair, no one on this thread has said "the England should have had it" old chestnut. There's a few "prattling the moral high ground" and they may have a point and they're entitled to their opinions. I agree that there's no reason for the finals not be held in Qatar and no country will pull out because of human rights issues, it wont be the first time a World cup has been held in a country with a dubious government, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, USA, South Africa, Brazil, Russia, the list goes on. Sorry but been mentioned on World Cup threads many times over the last couple of years so yes they have . If you read what I said I never mentioned this thread alone
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2022 7:18:57 GMT
Too much being made of where it's at the England should have had it old chestnut. Bottom line is its there and you can prattle the moral high ground but not a single nation will pull out and why should they? Sure there were shenanigans as there are with many things but no reason the Arab nations shouldn't have a World Cup any less than any other part of the World. In fact possibly more so as never previously held one . Australia/NZ probably have the biggest claim to one. A combined Arab world Cup would have been better
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 7:22:14 GMT
Too much being made of where it's at the England should have had it old chestnut. Bottom line is its there and you can prattle the moral high ground but not a single nation will pull out and why should they? Sure there were shenanigans as there are with many things but no reason the Arab nations shouldn't have a World Cup any less than any other part of the World. In fact possibly more so as never previously held one . Australia/NZ probably have the biggest claim to one. A combined Arab world Cup would have been better Yep, mentioned similar on last Qatar thread. Totally agree.
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Post by zommbee on Mar 25, 2022 22:07:19 GMT
To be fair, no one on this thread has said "the England should have had it" old chestnut. There's a few "prattling the moral high ground" and they may have a point and they're entitled to their opinions. I agree that there's no reason for the finals not be held in Qatar and no country will pull out because of human rights issues, it wont be the first time a World cup has been held in a country with a dubious government, Chile, Mexico, Argentina, USA, South Africa, Brazil, Russia, the list goes on. Sorry but been mentioned on World Cup threads many times over the last couple of years so yes they have . If you read what I said I never mentioned this thread alone Ok, point taken, no way of knowing you were referring to previous threads though, no harm done, fundamentally, apart from the England comment, I agree with what you said.
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Post by whatsashig on Mar 25, 2022 22:56:00 GMT
It’s footy, the question suggests something else, from a footy perspective we will be spitting feathers, but then again we always do
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Post by metalhead on Mar 26, 2022 7:04:15 GMT
www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/25/england-players-shocked-at-qatar-human-rights-abuses-says-hendersonI saw this article in the Guardian today. It's almost comical to read and you can just imagine a slightly slow looking Jordan Henderson reading the paper and thinking "uhh, I can uhh be puritical too". Shocked now Hendo, why is that? You weren't shocked, I dunno 5 or 6 years ago... When it actually mattered. I don't remember his shock back when it was revealed that workers constructing the stadiums were having their passports and dying of dehydration and starvation... And I don't mean a few, it was on average 1-2 A DAY. The fact that it was fast becoming the deadliest middle eastern construction project since the Pyramids has been largely ignored by the professional football community. Articles like the above are just obnoxious in my opinion.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 26, 2022 8:53:08 GMT
www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/25/england-players-shocked-at-qatar-human-rights-abuses-says-hendersonI saw this article in the Guardian today. It's almost comical to read and you can just imagine a slightly slow looking Jordan Henderson reading the paper and thinking "uhh, I can uhh be puritical too". Shocked now Hendo, why is that? You weren't shocked, I dunno 5 or 6 years ago... When it actually mattered. I don't remember his shock back when it was revealed that workers constructing the stadiums were having their passports and dying of dehydration and starvation... And I don't mean a few, it was on average 1-2 A DAY. The fact that it was fast becoming the deadliest middle eastern construction project since the Pyramids has been largely ignored by the professional football community. Articles like the above are just obnoxious in my opinion. At least they've been given a briefing on the issues I suppose. Better now than never, and if it makes a squad member take more notice in future then it's a good thing.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 26, 2022 11:26:13 GMT
www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/25/england-players-shocked-at-qatar-human-rights-abuses-says-hendersonI saw this article in the Guardian today. It's almost comical to read and you can just imagine a slightly slow looking Jordan Henderson reading the paper and thinking "uhh, I can uhh be puritical too". Shocked now Hendo, why is that? You weren't shocked, I dunno 5 or 6 years ago... When it actually mattered. I don't remember his shock back when it was revealed that workers constructing the stadiums were having their passports and dying of dehydration and starvation... And I don't mean a few, it was on average 1-2 A DAY. The fact that it was fast becoming the deadliest middle eastern construction project since the Pyramids has been largely ignored by the professional football community. Articles like the above are just obnoxious in my opinion. I'm sure they will have some really supportive tshirts to wear to show how much they care and will put some pictures of them wearing the tshirts on their insta / twitter etc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 11:53:36 GMT
Anybody on here going?
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Post by metalhead on Mar 26, 2022 13:07:45 GMT
www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/25/england-players-shocked-at-qatar-human-rights-abuses-says-hendersonI saw this article in the Guardian today. It's almost comical to read and you can just imagine a slightly slow looking Jordan Henderson reading the paper and thinking "uhh, I can uhh be puritical too". Shocked now Hendo, why is that? You weren't shocked, I dunno 5 or 6 years ago... When it actually mattered. I don't remember his shock back when it was revealed that workers constructing the stadiums were having their passports and dying of dehydration and starvation... And I don't mean a few, it was on average 1-2 A DAY. The fact that it was fast becoming the deadliest middle eastern construction project since the Pyramids has been largely ignored by the professional football community. Articles like the above are just obnoxious in my opinion. At least they've been given a briefing on the issues I suppose. Better now than never, and if it makes a squad member take more notice in future then it's a good thing. Are footballers that distanced from reality that they need a 'briefing' for a major human rights crisis? Were they all sat on those grey plastic chairs we used to have in school, gobs open, as Gareth Southgate flicked through a PowerPoint presentation of Qatar's indiscretions? A briefing is something you have at work as a result of a minor incident or in preparation for a particularly challenging upcoming scenario. The fact that they've had one at all demonstrates the lack of awareness these clowns have for the wider world. Next in our series of The World As Shown by Gareth? 'East Africa: Most kids starve to death' With special guest narration from John Motson.
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 26, 2022 14:53:05 GMT
I think the England players won’t dare say anything unless it’s well in advance, or after we are knocked out when it’s nice and safe. I think in these circumstances the only thing that would have significance would be if the FA pulled England out, but they wont because it’s a cash cow. So it will be left to the players and personal choices if they raise issues. They seemed comfortable doing that in the Euros, but then it was a safe environment preaching to the largely converted. I just don’t think they will have the bollocks to to do anything out there during the World Cup.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 26, 2022 20:46:35 GMT
At least they've been given a briefing on the issues I suppose. Better now than never, and if it makes a squad member take more notice in future then it's a good thing. Are footballers that distanced from reality that they need a 'briefing' for a major human rights crisis? Were they all sat on those grey plastic chairs we used to have in school, gobs open, as Gareth Southgate flicked through a PowerPoint presentation of Qatar's indiscretions? A briefing is something you have at work as a result of a minor incident or in preparation for a particularly challenging upcoming scenario. The fact that they've had one at all demonstrates the lack of awareness these clowns have for the wider world. Next in our series of The World As Shown by Gareth? 'East Africa: Most kids starve to death' With special guest narration from John Motson. Phil Neville who didn't know how to make a cup of coffee came to mind when I wrote my reply. So sadly, yes - I think some of them are that distanced from reality. I'm sure Henderson must have been aware of something in the Qatar ballpark though - surely? I wonder if the article doesn't do him any favours, but I wouldn't be surprised if even some of the senior players like Henderson were completely oblivious.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2022 23:03:33 GMT
Are footballers that distanced from reality that they need a 'briefing' for a major human rights crisis? Were they all sat on those grey plastic chairs we used to have in school, gobs open, as Gareth Southgate flicked through a PowerPoint presentation of Qatar's indiscretions? A briefing is something you have at work as a result of a minor incident or in preparation for a particularly challenging upcoming scenario. The fact that they've had one at all demonstrates the lack of awareness these clowns have for the wider world. Next in our series of The World As Shown by Gareth? 'East Africa: Most kids starve to death' With special guest narration from John Motson. Phil Neville who didn't know how to make a cup of coffee came to mind when I wrote my reply. So sadly, yes - I think some of them are that distanced from reality. I'm sure Henderson must have been aware of something in the Qatar ballpark though - surely? I wonder if the article doesn't do him any favours, but I wouldn't be surprised if even some of the senior players like Henderson were completely oblivious. If you really think about what a top professional football player must sacrifice to get to that level, is it surprising? All those training sessions instead of homework/revision/interest. Then they make it and never look back. Sure, some do manage to keep a high level of academic acumen/general awareness, but they are spoon fed a 10-15 year career and if they don’t want to work thereafter, they have to be very insular in their development/sponsorship. I’m not in the one bit surprised that they would need to be told about world wide events.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 9:16:28 GMT
Great how some put 'footballers' into one single category as if all the same outlook on everything. The World Cup is in Qatar like it or not and why should a player give up possibly his only chance to go to the biggest event in his sport? Would prove or gain absolutely nothing by doing so. If some aren't happy with it then ok. Protest, moan about whatever does it for you but won't change anything.
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 27, 2022 18:33:10 GMT
Phil Neville who didn't know how to make a cup of coffee came to mind when I wrote my reply. So sadly, yes - I think some of them are that distanced from reality. I'm sure Henderson must have been aware of something in the Qatar ballpark though - surely? I wonder if the article doesn't do him any favours, but I wouldn't be surprised if even some of the senior players like Henderson were completely oblivious. If you really think about what a top professional football player must sacrifice to get to that level, is it surprising? All those training sessions instead of homework/revision/interest. Then they make it and never look back. Sure, some do manage to keep a high level of academic acumen/general awareness, but they are spoon fed a 10-15 year career and if they don’t want to work thereafter, they have to be very insular in their development/sponsorship. I’m not in the one bit surprised that they would need to be told about world wide events. Don't buy that to be honest. As likely as Wayne Hennessy not knowing what a Hitler salute meant
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 27, 2022 18:37:01 GMT
Great how some put 'footballers' into one single category as if all the same outlook on everything. The World Cup is in Qatar like it or not and why should a player give up possibly his only chance to go to the biggest event in his sport? Would prove or gain absolutely nothing by doing so. If some aren't happy with it then ok. Protest, moan about whatever does it for you but won't change anything. If that was the case no one would stand up for anything. I would hope they would sleep a little better knowing they'd done the right thing. The England team in the 30s could have chosen not to salute Hitler and many said they regretted it afterwards.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 27, 2022 19:12:23 GMT
Great how some put 'footballers' into one single category as if all the same outlook on everything. The World Cup is in Qatar like it or not and why should a player give up possibly his only chance to go to the biggest event in his sport? Would prove or gain absolutely nothing by doing so. If some aren't happy with it then ok. Protest, moan about whatever does it for you but won't change anything. If your comment is directed at me, I've not suggested anyone sacrifice their opportunity to play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 19:13:26 GMT
Great how some put 'footballers' into one single category as if all the same outlook on everything. The World Cup is in Qatar like it or not and why should a player give up possibly his only chance to go to the biggest event in his sport? Would prove or gain absolutely nothing by doing so. If some aren't happy with it then ok. Protest, moan about whatever does it for you but won't change anything. If your comment is directed at me, I've not suggested anyone sacrifice their opportunity to play. Wasn't aimed at anyone in particular 👍
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Post by Veritas on Mar 27, 2022 19:27:45 GMT
I have said it before and I will say it again.
Qatar a force for good? No, no, no irrespective of what the full question is.
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Post by franklin on Mar 28, 2022 11:35:11 GMT
It's not a location I would have chosen but if I get a ticket I might well pop over to watch a game or two.
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Post by pavel on Mar 28, 2022 12:28:37 GMT
I very much doubt it, the system is entrenched, this is just sports washing on a grand scale
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 31, 2022 19:53:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 11:11:27 GMT
It's not a location I would have chosen but if I get a ticket I might well pop over to watch a game or two. Lovely place to visit. Am looking forward to it. Same idea if can get will go to a game or two.
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Post by noustie on Apr 1, 2022 11:32:06 GMT
From the bits I've seen or heard over the last couple of days being gay and/ or smashed will only be tolerated in the hotel or possibly in fan parks stuck out in the arse end of nowhere.
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