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Post by Veritas on Dec 5, 2021 9:27:58 GMT
The point is the ‘title fight’ could happen anywhere in the world. If any football associations actually practice what they preach this farce would have been cancelled years ago. I addressed that already. It's happening in Qatar now and nothing is going to prevent that, and there's a chance to use it as a force for good. If teams were going to pull out, they should have done that years ago. What exactly would register as using it as a force for good? |
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 5, 2021 9:36:35 GMT
I hear the points in the original post, but this WC can never have any sort of silver lining.
It was corruptly awarded the tournament, the grounds have been built by slaves, there have been thousands of deaths building them, and at the end of the day, it's an oppressive controlling state, who's nations ruling religion is incompatible with modern western values.
The fact that Lewis Hamilton 'raises awareness' is more of a personal PR stunt for him and feelgood soundbites for the media who need to clear their conscience and justify their own air fares. Sadly, as soon as the cameras are turned off, it'll be back to hating women, gays and the instant banning of booze and anything else Western related.
Fuck this WC, i won't be watching.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 5, 2021 11:45:35 GMT
What I woul love to see is a gradual ramping up by MSM of the immorality of this World Cup and finger pointing at the hypocrisy of players who happily take the knee and ignore what's going on in Qatar. This finger pointing should also include the likes of Beckham and pundits who endorse the competition. Then closer to the competition countries start to look at themselves supporting an organisation (FIFA) and country full of hypocrisy, deceit and fraud and countries start to withdraw. Lesser teams at first, but as the tournament gets closer bigger teams withdraw until all that is left are other morally bankrupt countries to compete in a now meaningless competition. That would be my dream but unfortunately the WC finals will happen and, the following season, all the fuss will be forgotten as players continue to take a knee unable to see the hypocrisy of what they have done.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 5, 2021 11:47:20 GMT
Agreed that the players should take a consistent approach or it will look hypocritical and selective of which issues they think deserve attention, however that consistency and hypocrisy goes both ways. People can't slag the players off for taking a knee and getting involved in politics if they then insist that players should boycott tournaments specifically because of politics. It isn't just the players that can't have it both ways. I don’t have a problem with players getting involved in politics. Rashford has shown how you can make a real positive difference. The issue I have with Qatar is it’s blatantly corrupt and the appalling stories of working conditions and loss of life. No condemnation of it will change things, but boycotting it may make them think again about their actions. It certainly wouldn’t have much impact on their wallets so I don’t even see this changing anything. Agree with that mate (as i did your previous comment that i quoted) and my comment certainly wasn't a dig at you personally, i just thought it weird that some on social media who have wanted the players to take a stance on this have been the same that slag the players off for taking a knee, which in itself is inconsistent. If the public want the players to show consistency, then the fans have to accept that and show the same consistency and not cheer the causes they agree with whilst demonising them and booing them for the causes they don't. It's a 2 way street. |
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Post by hcstokie on Dec 5, 2021 12:17:09 GMT
I don’t have a problem with players getting involved in politics. Rashford has shown how you can make a real positive difference. The issue I have with Qatar is it’s blatantly corrupt and the appalling stories of working conditions and loss of life. No condemnation of it will change things, but boycotting it may make them think again about their actions. It certainly wouldn’t have much impact on their wallets so I don’t even see this changing anything. Agree with that mate (as i did your previous comment that i quoted) and my comment certainly wasn't a dig at you personally, i just thought it weird that some on social media who have wanted the players to take a stance on this have been the same that slag the players off for taking a knee, which in itself is inconsistent. If the public want the players to show consistency, then the fans have to accept that and show the same consistency and not cheer the causes they agree with whilst demonising them and booing them for the causes they don't. It's a 2 way street. I completely agree mate. I’m all for freedom of speech and if a player or team wants to use their platform to make a political statement that’s fine by me. For example, I have no problem with McLean not wearing a poppy despite him sometimes expressing his belief/opinion in what most would consider the wrong way. |
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Post by Gifton on Dec 5, 2021 16:56:17 GMT
Beckham has sold his soul , and No He should be made to go live there. Greedy, money grabbing scumbag.... |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 5, 2021 21:21:57 GMT
I hear the points in the original post, but this WC can never have any sort of silver lining. It was corruptly awarded the tournament, the grounds have been built by slaves, there have been thousands of deaths building them, and at the end of the day, it's an oppressive controlling state, who's nations ruling religion is incompatible with modern western values. Not to mention Qatar is about a third of the size of the Midlands and the World Cup stadiums are all within a much smaller space than that being just around Doha. Many accounts say Qatar's infrastructure couldn't cope at the sole well-attended event (Qatari high jumper) at the World Athletics Championship in 2019. And what will happen to those stadiums after? Despite Qatar stating they'll reduce stadium capacities and donate seats to poorer countries (perhaps the line that made the corrupt voters think they had a conscience), the stadiums will probably end up as white elephants. Especially given all the deaths, I wouldn't use the phrase silver lining if any good does come out of this. But I'm hopeful some things will change for the good. Time will tell. What I woul love to see is a gradual ramping up by MSM of the immorality of this World Cup and finger pointing at the hypocrisy of players who happily take the knee and ignore what's going on in Qatar. This finger pointing should also include the likes of Beckham and pundits who endorse the competition. Then closer to the competition countries start to look at themselves supporting an organisation (FIFA) and country full of hypocrisy, deceit and fraud and countries start to withdraw. Lesser teams at first, but as the tournament gets closer bigger teams withdraw until all that is left are other morally bankrupt countries to compete in a now meaningless competition. That would be my dream but unfortunately the WC finals will happen and, the following season, all the fuss will be forgotten as players continue to take a knee unable to see the hypocrisy of what they have done. Ironically, when I googled MSM, one of the definitions that came up was "Men who have Sex with Men."  Another was Methylsulfonylmethane. I'm guessing Mainstream Media is the one, but half the media in the UK are morally bankrupt too. It'll just be another reason to bash foreign people. |
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Post by klingon on Dec 6, 2021 16:48:45 GMT
“How many human rights violations will it take before the football community unites to demand better protection for migrant workers?” – Tromsø ask a question that shouldn’t have to be asked as they release a kit featuring a QR code that takes those who scan it to a page of information listing concerns about the Human Rights World Cup. www.til.no/3 |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 7, 2021 9:27:26 GMT
If the players can come up with a pre-match gesture representing worker's, women's and gay rights, the crowd stand and applaud the gesture and the embarrassed looks of the collected dignatories are beamed around the world with a suitably damning commentary then maybe it will do some good. Otherwise it will be a laundering exercise for a loathsome regime. I suspect it will be the latter in spades with players told not to rock the boat and commentators fawning over Qatar as a great place to visit. At the very least the FA could issue commemorative sick bags for the event.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 7, 2021 9:46:03 GMT
Anybody on here been to Qatar anytime?
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 16, 2021 6:43:06 GMT
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Post by Northy on Dec 16, 2021 9:19:04 GMT
Anybody on here been to Qatar anytime? A poster who used to post on here and a friend of mine lives and works there, it's 26'C there today, just about when it's the end of the tournament this time next year. I've been to Doha |
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 16, 2021 13:53:13 GMT
Nope, it won't make a hoot of difference. A country, like South Africa, in so far it has no football history. Once the hoo-har has left it will be left with 8 white elephants where most of the time it's way too hot to play any sort of sensible football.
People will forget it happened and move on.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2021 17:30:22 GMT
I don’t have a problem with players getting involved in politics. Rashford has shown how you can make a real positive difference. The issue I have with Qatar is it’s blatantly corrupt and the appalling stories of working conditions and loss of life. No condemnation of it will change things, but boycotting it may make them think again about their actions. It certainly wouldn’t have much impact on their wallets so I don’t even see this changing anything. Agree with that mate (as i did your previous comment that i quoted) and my comment certainly wasn't a dig at you personally, i just thought it weird that some on social media who have wanted the players to take a stance on this have been the same that slag the players off for taking a knee, which in itself is inconsistent. If the public want the players to show consistency, then the fans have to accept that and show the same consistency and not cheer the causes they agree with whilst demonising them and booing them for the causes they don't. It's a 2 way street. Totally disagree Millsy, I think it is completely consistent. People are simply saying, that if you're going to make a stand against all forms of discrimination by taking the knee, then you need to make a stand against playing in Qatar. It's hypocritical to make one gesture, whilst ignoring what's going on in Qatar. People want them to take a stance on Qatar because they've been taking the knee. However if they don't take the knee, then they aren't going to get lectured about going to Qatar. It couldn't be simpler. |
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Post by werrington on Dec 16, 2021 17:35:06 GMT
Agree with that mate (as i did your previous comment that i quoted) and my comment certainly wasn't a dig at you personally, i just thought it weird that some on social media who have wanted the players to take a stance on this have been the same that slag the players off for taking a knee, which in itself is inconsistent. If the public want the players to show consistency, then the fans have to accept that and show the same consistency and not cheer the causes they agree with whilst demonising them and booing them for the causes they don't. It's a 2 way street. Totally disagree Millsy, I think it is completely consistent. People are simply saying, that if you're going to make a stand against all forms of discrimination by taking the knee, then you need to make a stand against playing in Qatar. It's hypocritical to make one gesture, whilst ignoring what's going on in Qatar. People want them to take a stance on Qatar because they've been taking the knee. However if they don't take the knee, then they aren't going to get lectured about going to Qatar. It couldn't be simpler. Like Anthony Joshua going to fight in Saudi or Lewis Hamilton racing there with all the Saudi forms of discrimination when getting paid millions to do it It’s bullshit mate |
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Post by palerider on Dec 16, 2021 18:21:05 GMT
Lewis Hamilton gobbs of about black lives matter and human rites but continues to take the tarnished dollar by competing in these countries
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 16, 2021 18:27:11 GMT
Anybody on here been to Qatar anytime? A poster who used to post on here and a friend of mine lives and works there, it's 26'C there today, just about when it's the end of the tournament this time next year. I've been to Doha Been to Doha and as someone who enjoys a pint it wasn’t the place I should have been anywhere near👀 |
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Post by kjpt140v on Dec 16, 2021 21:00:58 GMT
No
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Post by duckling on Dec 17, 2021 0:17:17 GMT
The IOC said that they awarded the 2008 Olympics to China in part because they thought it would be a force for good. (The reality was that Beijing bribed them, just as every winning city does.)
13 years later, human rights in China have only gotten worse, not better.
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Post by Northy on Dec 17, 2021 7:38:58 GMT
A poster who used to post on here and a friend of mine lives and works there, it's 26'C there today, just about when it's the end of the tournament this time next year. I've been to Doha Been to Doha and as someone who enjoys a pint it wasn’t the place I should have been anywhere near👀 Remember going into the Sheraton? Hotel the 5 star one shaped like a pyramid, think it has been knocked down now, it was very expensive for a cup of tea and a sandwich |
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Post by zommbee on Dec 20, 2021 20:24:11 GMT
Did his whistle blowing in the wrong country, they don't like adverse publicity. The Arab Cup, which has just been completed recently, was a dummy run for next year's World Cup. There's not been much publicity for it that I've seen but it has been a great success according to the host nation and FIFA top lap dog Gianni Infantino, meet the new(ish) boss, same as the old boss. Algeria beat Tunisia 2-0 after extra time in the final, if anyone is interested, hosts Qatar finished third. |
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Post by s7oke on Dec 21, 2021 4:34:00 GMT
No
Nothing will change because of it
I’m afraid it’s all about money and nothing else
Wank place to play it
Wank time of year to play it
It’s just wank
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Post by lordb on Dec 21, 2021 8:18:58 GMT
Nope, it won't make a hoot of difference. A country, like South Africa, in so far it has no football history. Once the hoo-har has left it will be left with 8 white elephants where most of the time it's way too hot to play any sort of sensible football. People will forget it happened and move on. South Africa has football history, a football culture Qatar doesn't compare |
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 21, 2021 8:26:11 GMT
Did his whistle blowing in the wrong country, they don't like adverse publicity. The Arab Cup, which has just been completed recently, was a dummy run for next year's World Cup. There's not been much publicity for it that I've seen but it has been a great success according to the host nation and FIFA top lap dog Gianni Infantino, meet the new(ish) boss, same as the old boss. Algeria beat Tunisia 2-0 after extra time in the final, if anyone is interested, hosts Qatar finished third. I watched some of the Arab Cup games. It was surprisingly competitive |
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Post by Veritas on Dec 21, 2021 8:47:05 GMT
Did his whistle blowing in the wrong country, they don't like adverse publicity. The Arab Cup, which has just been completed recently, was a dummy run for next year's World Cup. There's not been much publicity for it that I've seen but it has been a great success according to the host nation and FIFA top lap dog Gianni Infantino, meet the new(ish) boss, same as the old boss. Algeria beat Tunisia 2-0 after extra time in the final, if anyone is interested, hosts Qatar finished third. No we aren't |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 21, 2021 13:41:41 GMT
If FIFA had any moral integrity they never would have given the tournament in the first place. Not only is FIFA morally bankrupt it is corrupt driven only by money.
They will inevitably back a biannual WC because it generates $4b extra. They show faux concern over a European super league for only one reason; "its not their gravy train"
The talk emptily of financial doping in football whilst greasing the palms of those in "the cabal".
If they applied a 'fit and proper test' to Qatar it would fail the same way UEFA, FIFA and many club owners would similarly fail.
It's all a charade, the only approach is a similar line to that taken by Rugby and Cricket during apartheid. No one plays there if they do they will be de-registered. That is moral leadership. Sadly something FIFA the FIA and frankly all sporting bodies have none of. Hamilton is forced to drive in Qatar or get sanctioned the same is true for the footballers.
Sponsors, organisers and the media really should blank it that us where the power lies. Sadly they won't and therefore nothing will change. Money is more important than human rights.
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Post by generationex on Dec 21, 2021 23:32:45 GMT
The sooner corrupt practices based on oil money end the better.
Thank God fossil fuel economics is about to die.
That this blatant abuse of FIFA was allowed to go ahead is this biggest shame of all. We have collectively said fraud is acceptable.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 22, 2021 13:28:40 GMT
The sooner corrupt practices based on oil money end the better. Thank God fossil fuel economics is about to die.That this blatant abuse of FIFA was allowed to go ahead is this biggest shame of all. We have collectively said fraud is acceptable. Sadly, I'm not sure it'll die that easily. The huge oil companies still explore for new oil despite the fact we probably already have more than we'll need. The tobacco industry survived on misinformation and lies for over a lifetime. Though I do think at some point in the near future it (and the economy along with it) could all come crashing down for the big oil companies. Some (like Shell) have got into greener energy. |
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Post by elystokie on Dec 22, 2021 19:44:40 GMT
Anybody on here been to Qatar anytime? A poster who used to post on here and a friend of mine lives and works there, it's 26'C there today, just about when it's the end of the tournament this time next year. I've been to Doha Me too, main memories are being well looked after by ex-pats after a few bacon sandwiches (they were mad for them!) and pints of CSB on board first night in, throwing up over the side of someone's speedboat we were going waterskiing on the next day  a blonde nurse from the Lake District and a bloke from Middlesbrough offering me use of his apartment and his car even though I was absolutely hammered and would have had no idea where I was going  All adult ex-pats registered themselves as alcoholics so they were allowed to buy booze as far as I remember, didn't seem to be a shortage of booze or bars (some had converted part of their accommodation, they even had pool tables and dart boards) One of the best visits in the Gulf, not that there was much by way of competition  |
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Post by kjpt140v on Dec 22, 2021 22:36:53 GMT
No
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Another was Methylsulfonylmethane. I'm guessing Mainstream Media is the one, but half the media in the UK are morally bankrupt too. It'll just be another reason to bash foreign people.
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a blonde nurse from the Lake District and a bloke from Middlesbrough offering me use of his apartment and his car even though I was absolutely hammered and would have had no idea where I was going 
