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Post by toppercorner on Nov 21, 2022 12:19:19 GMT
Why did you ask me if I was part of the LGBTQ+ community? To understand where you are coming from, so far you just seem to regurgitate the BBC and Guardian newspaper. So I presume in your desire when we go a football match now, we have to firstly stand for the Ukraine (display hate for Putin/Hitler), clap for the NHS, kneel for BLM and somehow do something about climate change. We should get Greta to record messages to display on the screens telling us how wicked we are and the imminent climate catastrophe is all our fault due to our colonial and exploitative past. Oh I forgot we have to have rainbow laces and rainbow corner flags as well. Is there any cause we have left out here? i don't understand the vitriol for the NHS? The claps were during covid, and have never (as far as i know) been done at the football. I hope nothing bad happens to anyone, but can you tell me what's going to happen if a loved one or friend needs the NHS because of an accident? Births, mending broken limbs, putting people back together after a car crash etc... It's in the state it's in because of 12 years of deliberate Tory underfunding, leading to private health care. Will you be happy to pay monthly insurance premiums based upon the US model? And if those premiums come in handy because of an accident, will you be happy to pay vastly increased premiums after? the criticism of the NHS is insane, and an example of pure indoctrination from such dogshit papers as the sun and the mail.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 21, 2022 12:21:14 GMT
This last day could have been avoided early doors by just not going and boycotting it straight off before the qualifications started. If we’d have done that then we truly would have sent the very strongest message possible out. Maybe after this latest development those speaking so strongly from the media can walk out on moral grounds and stuff there pay. It’s a mess. In future world cups should only be played in Europe and South America. Well said, but why boycott Africa, North America etc hosting world cup? Fair point. In relation to the US they’ve had plenty. Weve had South Africa and I thought it was pretty poor. I’m not convinced they’ve got the infrastructure or money in Africa to host it.
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Post by desman2 on Nov 21, 2022 12:22:06 GMT
Some of these high profile people would call me an islamaphobe if I were to publicly criticise one of these middle eastern countries, yet here they are saying exactly the same thing. Surprising how money can make you forget things.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 21, 2022 12:32:15 GMT
Well said, but why boycott Africa, North America etc hosting world cup? Fair point. In relation to the US they’ve had plenty. Weve had South Africa and I thought it was pretty poor. I’m not convinced they’ve got the infrastructure or money in Africa to host it. South Africa was dire, exacerbated by the fact that England were absolutely terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 12:39:10 GMT
To understand where you are coming from, so far you just seem to regurgitate the BBC and Guardian newspaper. So I presume in your desire when we go a football match now, we have to firstly stand for the Ukraine (display hate for Putin/Hitler), clap for the NHS, kneel for BLM and somehow do something about climate change. We should get Greta to record messages to display on the screens telling us how wicked we are and the imminent climate catastrophe is all our fault due to our colonial and exploitative past. Oh I forgot we have to have rainbow laces and rainbow corner flags as well. Is there any cause we have left out here? i don't understand the vitriol for the NHS? The claps were during covid, and have never (as far as i know) been done at the football. I hope nothing bad happens to anyone, but can you tell me what's going to happen if a loved one or friend needs the NHS because of an accident? Births, mending broken limbs, putting people back together after a car crash etc... It's in the state it's in because of 12 years of deliberate Tory underfunding, leading to private health care. Will you be happy to pay monthly insurance premiums based upon the US model? And if those premiums come in handy because of an accident, will you be happy to pay vastly increased premiums after? the criticism of the NHS is insane, and an example of pure indoctrination from such dogshit papers as the sun and the mail. I accept your points, when I say clap for the NHS Im referring to the situation of Hancock and Hunt. Why should we clap those pair of odious creeps and their destruction of the NHS.
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Post by knype on Nov 21, 2022 12:39:44 GMT
To understand where you are coming from, so far you just seem to regurgitate the BBC and Guardian newspaper. So I presume in your desire when we go a football match now, we have to firstly stand for the Ukraine (display hate for Putin/Hitler), clap for the NHS, kneel for BLM and somehow do something about climate change. We should get Greta to record messages to display on the screens telling us how wicked we are and the imminent climate catastrophe is all our fault due to our colonial and exploitative past. Oh I forgot we have to have rainbow laces and rainbow corner flags as well. Is there any cause we have left out here? i don't understand the vitriol for the NHS? The claps were during covid, and have never (as far as i know) been done at the football. I hope nothing bad happens to anyone, but can you tell me what's going to happen if a loved one or friend needs the NHS because of an accident? Births, mending broken limbs, putting people back together after a car crash etc... It's in the state it's in because of 12 years of deliberate Tory underfunding, leading to private health care. Will you be happy to pay monthly insurance premiums based upon the US model? And if those premiums come in handy because of an accident, will you be happy to pay vastly increased premiums after? the criticism of the NHS is insane, and an example of pure indoctrination from such dogshit papers as the sun and the mail. Using the NHS and clapping them is 2 different things, if you need treatment you get it because you are ill and they are doing their jobs, this putting anything NHS on a pedestal is disturbing to me, yes they work hard, yes some of them deserve more maybe but you could say the same about every walk of life. The NHS will always want and need more funding, what it needs is changes whereby money isn't spent on middle management, over priced goods via a favoured supply chain and maybe not employing so many diversity bosses on a lot of money?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 12:42:22 GMT
And that’s why we need to use less of it so we’re not so tied to maniacs. If we were the ones who had it all would we be lowering the price? History would tend to suggest absolutely not. They’re not maniacs, they know what they have and fair play to them. The only maniacs (I prefer idiots) in this are European governments who have caved to political pressure and have an energy strategy that looks like it was put together by a crackhead. An energy transition with gas as the bridge but zero investment in domestic production has left us vulnerable to global price movements - we can blame Putin all we want but why the f we don’t have any sort of contingency for something so key to our society beggars belief. But you carry on mate, I find your peculiar mix of ignorance and arrogance quite amusing. I would want us to and think it would be wrong if we didn't. I agree, the strategy is fucking nuts hence why I've been someone who has wanted to get away from that for years with plans in place to mitigate it. And it's really not difficult to do. And part of not having the strategy is because we're so intrinsically in to appeasing Russia and have been for decades. It was always a stupid plan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 12:53:29 GMT
oh hey up we have been appeasing Russia for UK energy requirement,
I think the figure was we took 8% from them
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 12:57:56 GMT
oh hey up we have been appeasing Russia for UK energy requirement, I think the figure was we took 8% from them A lot of the diesel we got is from them and there was a massive push for diesel cars. And by we, I meant Europe tbh. Germany's policy is crazy and their links with Russia are terrible and deep and troubling.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 13:03:21 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 21, 2022 13:11:20 GMT
i don't understand the vitriol for the NHS? The claps were during covid, and have never (as far as i know) been done at the football. I hope nothing bad happens to anyone, but can you tell me what's going to happen if a loved one or friend needs the NHS because of an accident? Births, mending broken limbs, putting people back together after a car crash etc... It's in the state it's in because of 12 years of deliberate Tory underfunding, leading to private health care. Will you be happy to pay monthly insurance premiums based upon the US model? And if those premiums come in handy because of an accident, will you be happy to pay vastly increased premiums after? the criticism of the NHS is insane, and an example of pure indoctrination from such dogshit papers as the sun and the mail. Using the NHS and clapping them is 2 different things, if you need treatment you get it because you are ill and they are doing their jobs, this putting anything NHS on a pedestal is disturbing to me, yes they work hard, yes some of them deserve more maybe but you could say the same about every walk of life. The NHS will always want and need more funding, what it needs is changes whereby money isn't spent on middle management, over priced goods via a favoured supply chain and maybe not employing so many diversity bosses on a lot of money? maybe there'd be more money if Lord Ashcroft was draining the life out of it. Our unelected Lord Ashcroft owns an agency that charges the NHS £2.5k per agency shift per nurse. The nurse obviously doesn't get that, they get their fee for the day, he scoops the rest up. It is being destroyed purposefully by the men at the top so they can make money. The public are distracted by hateful media such as the mail, because it takes the heat off those actively making money from it. Classic divide and conquer. And unlike other walks of life, it keeps us alive, and in good health, and the staff on the ground level go above and beyond in their duty.
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Post by knype on Nov 21, 2022 13:32:31 GMT
Using the NHS and clapping them is 2 different things, if you need treatment you get it because you are ill and they are doing their jobs, this putting anything NHS on a pedestal is disturbing to me, yes they work hard, yes some of them deserve more maybe but you could say the same about every walk of life. The NHS will always want and need more funding, what it needs is changes whereby money isn't spent on middle management, over priced goods via a favoured supply chain and maybe not employing so many diversity bosses on a lot of money? maybe there'd be more money if Lord Ashcroft was draining the life out of it. Our unelected Lord Ashcroft owns an agency that charges the NHS £2.5k per agency shift per nurse. The nurse obviously doesn't get that, they get their fee for the day, he scoops the rest up. It is being destroyed purposefully by the men at the top so they can make money. The public are distracted by hateful media such as the mail, because it takes the heat off those actively making money from it. Classic divide and conquer. And unlike other walks of life, it keeps us alive, and in good health, and the staff on the ground level go above and beyond in their duty. Who pays the £2.5K, they don't have to? Lots of things keep us alive? Technology, Pharma
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 14:01:58 GMT
Just why did you feel the need to post this just before kick off?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 14:04:37 GMT
oh hey up we have been appeasing Russia for UK energy requirement, I think the figure was we took 8% from them A lot of the diesel we got is from them and there was a massive push for diesel cars. And by we, I meant Europe tbh. Germany's policy is crazy and their links with Russia are terrible and deep and troubling. There is some truth in the diesel As for the latter, we, well we are not Germany and have different energy dynamics to them. What do you mean their links? Russia has gas to export to them, how are the German people supposed to heat their homes? Your thinking is strange and unrealistic!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 14:39:26 GMT
A lot of the diesel we got is from them and there was a massive push for diesel cars. And by we, I meant Europe tbh. Germany's policy is crazy and their links with Russia are terrible and deep and troubling. There is some truth in the diesel As for the latter, we, well we are not Germany and have different energy dynamics to them. What do you mean their links? Russia has gas to export to them, how are the German people supposed to heat their homes? Your thinking is strange and unrealistic! No it's not, it's what they should have been thinking about for year. To rely on an enemy for energy like they do is madness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 14:45:38 GMT
Russia were on our side fighting against the Germans and sacrificed millions of lives for this.
Please clarify for me why Russia are now suddenly the enemy?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 14:48:35 GMT
Russia were on our side fighting against the Germans and sacrificed millions of lives for this. Please clarify for me why Russia are now suddenly the enemy? Hahahahahaha have you slept since 1945?
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 21, 2022 14:48:41 GMT
To understand where you are coming from, so far you just seem to regurgitate the BBC and Guardian newspaper. So I presume in your desire when we go a football match now, we have to firstly stand for the Ukraine (display hate for Putin/Hitler), clap for the NHS, kneel for BLM and somehow do something about climate change. We should get Greta to record messages to display on the screens telling us how wicked we are and the imminent climate catastrophe is all our fault due to our colonial and exploitative past. Oh I forgot we have to have rainbow laces and rainbow corner flags as well. Is there any cause we have left out here? i don't understand the vitriol for the NHS? The claps were during covid, and have never (as far as i know) been done at the football. I hope nothing bad happens to anyone, but can you tell me what's going to happen if a loved one or friend needs the NHS because of an accident? Births, mending broken limbs, putting people back together after a car crash etc... It's in the state it's in because of 12 years of deliberate Tory underfunding, leading to private health care. Will you be happy to pay monthly insurance premiums based upon the US model? And if those premiums come in handy because of an accident, will you be happy to pay vastly increased premiums after? the criticism of the NHS is insane, and an example of pure indoctrination from such dogshit papers as the sun and the mail. The only ones who seem to be discussing private health care Is in the socialist republic of Scotland
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 14:53:23 GMT
Russia were on our side fighting against the Germans and sacrificed millions of lives for this. Please clarify for me why Russia are now suddenly the enemy? Hahahahahaha have you slept since 1945? OK So why are Russia the enemy?? Germany had an agreement with Russia for gas, nothing to do with us we are not in the EU trading bloc thankfully. Those pesky Russians again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 15:00:15 GMT
He's very good
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 21, 2022 15:05:07 GMT
Just why did you feel the need to post this just before kick off? Footballers aren’t activists. If they choose to make a stand, I’ll accept and support it if it’s in line with what I believe (as I have with take the knee). It’s not fair to condemn them for not doing engaging in politics when it’s not what they are there to do
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 15:07:44 GMT
Just why did you feel the need to post this just before kick off? Footballers aren’t activists. If they choose to make a stand, I’ll accept and support it if it’s in line with what I believe (as I have with take the knee). It’s not fair to condemn them for not doing engaging in politics when it’s not what they are there to do I saw a good tweet saying about how any gay footballer must feel when they see potential team mates aren't willing to take a booking for them. It must be soul destroying.
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Post by cvillestokie on Nov 21, 2022 15:12:49 GMT
Footballers aren’t activists. If they choose to make a stand, I’ll accept and support it if it’s in line with what I believe (as I have with take the knee). It’s not fair to condemn them for not doing engaging in politics when it’s not what they are there to do I saw a good tweet saying about how any gay footballer must feel when they see potential team mates aren't willing to take a booking for them. It must be soul destroying. Perhaps. Though, they could have a conversation with that person and discuss it. Do it in back to back games and you are suspended for an armband if the referee decides to follow through with it. Edit: I’d also like to think that gay footballers, and grown adults in general, are a little stronger than having their souls destroyed over an armband. If the players actually wanted to make a difference, maybe they could spend their summers attending protests in countries where human rights abuses are common. Short of that, they aren’t really doing anything.
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Post by gawa on Nov 21, 2022 15:19:56 GMT
i don't understand the vitriol for the NHS? The claps were during covid, and have never (as far as i know) been done at the football. I hope nothing bad happens to anyone, but can you tell me what's going to happen if a loved one or friend needs the NHS because of an accident? Births, mending broken limbs, putting people back together after a car crash etc... It's in the state it's in because of 12 years of deliberate Tory underfunding, leading to private health care. Will you be happy to pay monthly insurance premiums based upon the US model? And if those premiums come in handy because of an accident, will you be happy to pay vastly increased premiums after? the criticism of the NHS is insane, and an example of pure indoctrination from such dogshit papers as the sun and the mail. I accept your points, when I say clap for the NHS Im referring to the situation of Hancock and Hunt. Why should we clap those pair of odious creeps and their destruction of the NHS. Who was clapping for Hancock or Hunt lol.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 21, 2022 15:20:00 GMT
There is some truth in the diesel As for the latter, we, well we are not Germany and have different energy dynamics to them. What do you mean their links? Russia has gas to export to them, how are the German people supposed to heat their homes? Your thinking is strange and unrealistic! No it's not, it's what they should have been thinking about for year. To rely on an enemy for energy like they do is madness. The EU have increased their gas supplies from Azerbaijan this winter who have increased their gas supply from Russia. They may as well just keep writing Putin a cheque and cut out the middle man.........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 15:22:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 15:33:16 GMT
No it's not, it's what they should have been thinking about for year. To rely on an enemy for energy like they do is madness. The EU have increased their gas supplies from Azerbaijan this winter who have increased their gas supply from Russia. They may as well just keep writing Putin a cheque and cut out the middle man......... I know India have become the middle man between us and Russia since we imposed sanctions. I guess it is just us, we the little people, who have to absorb all these costs of sanctions.
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Post by gawa on Nov 21, 2022 15:36:00 GMT
The EU have increased their gas supplies from Azerbaijan this winter who have increased their gas supply from Russia. They may as well just keep writing Putin a cheque and cut out the middle man......... I know India have become the middle man between us and Russia since we imposed sanctions. I guess it is just us, we the little people, who have to absorb all these costs of sanctions. Or the government could man up and impose windfall taxes on the companies making record profits.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2022 15:38:23 GMT
I know India have become the middle man between us and Russia since we imposed sanctions. I guess it is just us, we the little people, who have to absorb all these costs of sanctions. Or the government could man up and impose windfall taxes on the companies making record profits. And could have tried to diversify away like they should have been doing anyway. Instead you have the then PM Truss baning onshore wind and saying daft stuff about solar panels that the right wing idiots latch on to and repeat ad verbatim like it actually means something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 15:41:02 GMT
Or the government could man up and impose windfall taxes on the companies making record profits. And could have tried to diversify away like they should have been doing anyway. Instead you have the then PM Truss baning onshore wind and saying daft stuff about solar panels that the right wing idiots latch on to and repeat ad verbatim like it actually means something. Trying the impossible. We are going to have to drastically get use to energy rationing and becoming agrarian.
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