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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 20, 2022 19:42:08 GMT
This is getting interesting now, if he refuses do we get kicked out of the tournament? With a bit of luck We walk away holding the moral high ground And the whole tournament descends into the farce it deserves
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 20, 2022 19:42:20 GMT
Politics is firmly a part of football Nick. The players themselves have chosen to take the knee for the last two years. Just last week, Infantino himself went to Indonesia and appealed for their to be a ceasefire in Ukraine for the duration of the World Cup. This is a shit show entirely of UEFA's making. They are massive on total inclusivity for all and yet they awarded the tournament to an Islamic nation. Mate I have many reservations around Islamic laws and customs but the reality is, whether we agree with many of the religious principles or not, that makes up a big chunk of the world. Many conveniently forget that homophobia is a huge issue across Africa and indeed, the Caribbean. You only have to listen to some of the local music to see what Island nations like Jamaica and Trinidad think of gays. Are we going to start boycotting cricket tours there? It's the world cup and its about giving different parts of the planet a chance to host. However different their way of life is to ours, one of the great beauties is it gives all kinds of different nations their moment in the limelight. I agree with you, Qatar shouldn't have been awarded the tournament - but in footballing grounds and not cultural. Don't forget that the last time that England won the World Cup, it was illegal to be a homosexual HERE. But it seems that the world has moved on and that FIFA ITSELF has, with it's directives, put itself fundamentally at odds with Islamic culture. I'd genuinely be surprised if another Islamic nation is awarded the tournament this century, same for the Olympics. In all honesty, I'm not really bothered about the players making a protest in Qatar per se but rather because if they don't, then they'll confirm that they were indeed hypocrites for taking the knee after all. And furthermore, earlier, I bunged a £100 on Harry Kane to get the first booking tomorrow!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 20, 2022 19:42:26 GMT
Why aren’t they? Any chance you’d provide a proper answer rather than some puerile response It’s not puerile. You literally said they can’t have an opinion on the matter because they are middle class then wonder what their opinion is on something else. You can’t have it both way. Can you? It’s either bollocks that you think they can’t talk about this stuff because they live in a middle class cocoon or they can have opinions but seeing as they are at the World Cup they are choosing to highlight the ones front and centre of the moment. You want it both ways. There’s nothing puerile about highlighting your two post contradict each other massively. They absolutely shouldn’t I’m asking you why there doing it for this but aren’t doing it for other causes?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 20, 2022 19:43:16 GMT
Ffs 🤦♀️ morals but no principles The principle to highlight the issues and not just sit there like a lemming accepting it. How dare they try to highlight it and change it. I think the nuance is lost on you, but you crack on…
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 19:44:25 GMT
Mate I have many reservations around Islamic laws and customs but the reality is, whether we agree with many of the religious principles or not, that makes up a big chunk of the world. Many conveniently forget that homophobia is a huge issue across Africa and indeed, the Caribbean. You only have to listen to some of the local music to see what Island nations like Jamaica and Trinidad think of gays. Are we going to start boycotting cricket tours there? It's the world cup and its about giving different parts of the planet a chance to host. However different their way of life is to ours, one of the great beauties is it gives all kinds of different nations their moment in the limelight. I agree with you, Qatar shouldn't have been awarded the tournament - but in footballing grounds and not cultural. Don't forget that the last time that England won the World Cup, it was illegal to be a homosexual HERE. But it seems that the world has moved on and that FIFA ITSELF has, with it's directives, put itself fundamentally at odds with Islamic culture. I'd genuinely be surprised if another Islamic nation is awarded the tournament this century, same for the Olympics. In all honesty I'm not really bothered about the players making a protest in Qatar per se but rather because if they don't then they'll confirm that they were indeed hypocrites for taking the knee after all. And furthermore, earlier, I bunged a £100 on Harry Kane to get the first booking tomorrow! You don’t miss a trick do you?🤣
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Nov 20, 2022 19:48:32 GMT
Don't know how long the BBC whatever it was went on for as like I said I turned over at 3.10 to watch only fools and horses, but I'd love to see the viewing figures for that bollocks. I'd guess it's the lowest for any world cup game broadcast on tele. I have another feeling that if this carries on this tournament is going get really messy, silly, shitter than it looks like it's going be anyway, and a big bloody problem in some way. I hope it does. This is less about Qatar per se for me but about the fact that the World Cup hasn't been about football for long time - it's absolutely about politics, money and corruption. Maybe FIFA just gone that bit too far this time and the whole shitshow will come crashing down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 19:56:33 GMT
There shouldn’t be anywhere in the world where it’s illegal to live a natural life. It’s wrong. You’re right. I guess the issue though is in relation to what there religion says is a natural life. Should we be respectful of that? I’d say yes we should as we certainly are in the U.k. on the whole. I certainly don’t agree with there strict beliefs and they are morally wrong but UEFA knew this when they awarded Qatar the world cup. Western society is very much more understanding of change where’s the Middle East clearly isn’t. This should have been nipped in the bud early on by Qatar not getting it. Now it’s here these issues you would have thought would be known before we flew out. I’d either fly home now or just get on with it. No middle ground The issues have to be highlighted. Putting your head in the sand just placates them. And that emboldens them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 19:57:33 GMT
It’s not puerile. You literally said they can’t have an opinion on the matter because they are middle class then wonder what their opinion is on something else. You can’t have it both way. Can you? It’s either bollocks that you think they can’t talk about this stuff because they live in a middle class cocoon or they can have opinions but seeing as they are at the World Cup they are choosing to highlight the ones front and centre of the moment. You want it both ways. There’s nothing puerile about highlighting your two post contradict each other massively. They absolutely shouldn’t I’m asking you why there doing it for this but aren’t doing it for other causes? They do. Lineker and Neville have been going on about it for months 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 19:58:54 GMT
The principle to highlight the issues and not just sit there like a lemming accepting it. How dare they try to highlight it and change it. I think the nuance is lost on you, but you crack on… There isn’t a nuance to be had. 🤦♂️
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 20, 2022 19:59:45 GMT
They absolutely shouldn’t I’m asking you why there doing it for this but aren’t doing it for other causes? They do. Lineker and Neville have been going on about it for months 😂 Please provide links where they have been doing this during/before match commentary
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 20:02:21 GMT
They absolutely shouldn’t I’m asking you why there doing it for this but aren’t doing it for other causes? They do. Lineker and Neville have been going on about it for months 😂 But there they are coining it with the others. Paying a bit of lip service doesn’t wash. Doing it for the love of the job is a cop out. They do not need to go if they’re not happy with it and whittering a scripted declaration of their displeasure doesn’t either. If they feel that strongly they should stay at home and do something meaningful
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 20, 2022 20:03:30 GMT
I can't believe you're actually buying into this shit. The hypocrisy of these guys is just beyond belief. They are out in Qatar, living a life of absolute luxury, watching the most prestigious tournament on the planet, staying in 5 star hotels, dining in the nation's most glamorous restaurants, earning an absolute fortune while claiming that staying at home was "the easy option". Can you not see how ridiculous this is? Absolute fucking hypocrites all of them and on top of that she is a shite pundit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 20:06:52 GMT
They do. Lineker and Neville have been going on about it for months 😂 But there they are coining it with the others. Paying a bit of lip service doesn’t wash. Doing it for the love of the job is a cop out. They do not need to go if they’re not happy with it and whittering a scripted declaration of their displeasure doesn’t either. If they feel that strongly they should stay at home and do something meaningful Yes reporting on it like they should be in their roles. It’s their job to. Going and actually slating them in their country is far more impactful than doing it from the comfort of a studio in London isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 20:08:32 GMT
I can't believe you're actually buying into this shit. The hypocrisy of these guys is just beyond belief. They are out in Qatar, living a life of absolute luxury, watching the most prestigious tournament on the planet, staying in 5 star hotels, dining in the nation's most glamorous restaurants, earning an absolute fortune while claiming that staying at home was "the easy option". Can you not see how ridiculous this is? Absolute fucking hypocrites all of them and on top of that she is a shite pundit. how do I say it, well she is thick and speaks with that London vacuous accent that gets on my nerves.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 20, 2022 20:08:42 GMT
They absolutely shouldn’t I’m asking you why there doing it for this but aren’t doing it for other causes? They do. Lineker and Neville have been going on about it for months 😂 But why only for months? Where have they been for the last few years since it's been decided?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 20:10:51 GMT
But there they are coining it with the others. Paying a bit of lip service doesn’t wash. Doing it for the love of the job is a cop out. They do not need to go if they’re not happy with it and whittering a scripted declaration of their displeasure doesn’t either. If they feel that strongly they should stay at home and do something meaningful Yes reporting on it like they should be in their roles. It’s their job to. Going and actually slating them in their country is far more impactful than doing it from the comfort of a studio in London isn’t it? No it isn’t, not while they spend 90% of their time commenting on the game. And it’s not their job. I can see it now on their job description, if they have one. “Must be prepared to get all uppity and hypocritical about political issues whilst coining vast sums of money instead of talking about football”. It’ll fall under the umbrella of “other duties” no doubt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 20:10:57 GMT
They do. Lineker and Neville have been going on about it for months 😂 But why only for months? Where have they been for the last few years since it's been decided? Good God both have been outspoken about the shit show that is our government for years. Hence why the EE board regulars aren’t fans 😂 And who hasn’t slated Qatar since it was announced?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 20:11:50 GMT
Yes reporting on it like they should be in their roles. It’s their job to. Going and actually slating them in their country is far more impactful than doing it from the comfort of a studio in London isn’t it? No it isn’t, not while they spend 90% of their time commenting on the game. And it’s not their job. I can see it now on their job description, if they have one. “Must be prepared to get all uppity and hypocritical about political issues whilst coining vast sums of money instead of talking about football”. It’ll fall under the umbrella of “other duties” no doubt. Of course it is. There’s a risk to what they’re doing. The politics here is bigger than the football.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 20, 2022 20:13:11 GMT
But there they are coining it with the others. Paying a bit of lip service doesn’t wash. Doing it for the love of the job is a cop out. They do not need to go if they’re not happy with it and whittering a scripted declaration of their displeasure doesn’t either. If they feel that strongly they should stay at home and do something meaningful Yes reporting on it like they should be in their roles. It’s their job to. Going and actually slating them in their country is far more impactful than doing it from the comfort of a studio in London isn’t it? Do you think they're doing it as they feel they have to for going out there lapping all the luxuries up. Like a heap of guilt? I think all broadcasters and media will be over there thinking to themselves why can't we just get on with the footy, but at the same time thinking we best cover ourselves with this side of it to make us look a tad better
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 20:14:53 GMT
No it isn’t, not while they spend 90% of their time commenting on the game. And it’s not their job. I can see it now on their job description, if they have one. “Must be prepared to get all uppity and hypocritical about political issues whilst coining vast sums of money instead of talking about football”. It’ll fall under the umbrella of “other duties” no doubt. Of course it is. There’s a risk to what they’re doing. The politics here is bigger than the football. What risk?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 20:15:29 GMT
Yes reporting on it like they should be in their roles. It’s their job to. Going and actually slating them in their country is far more impactful than doing it from the comfort of a studio in London isn’t it? Do you think they're doing it as they feel they have to for going out there lapping all the luxuries up. Like a heap of guilt? I think all broadcasters and media will be over there thinking to themselves why can't we just get on with the footy, but at the same time thinking we best cover ourselves with this side of it to make us look a tad better I think you’re looking at it from your pov and not theirs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 20, 2022 20:16:04 GMT
Of course it is. There’s a risk to what they’re doing. The politics here is bigger than the football. What risk? The risk of slating Qatar in Qatar? There’s a massive risk.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 20, 2022 20:16:37 GMT
But why only for months? Where have they been for the last few years since it's been decided? Good God both have been outspoken about the shit show that is our government for years. Hence why the EE board regulars aren’t fans 😂 And who hasn’t slated Qatar since it was announced? Well I certainly haven't heard them daily going on about it say two years ago. Last few months I have. Two years ago, or even six months ago all Neville and lineker were banging on about was Boris or something. Please send me a link to lineker and Neville daily tweeting about the world cup, say, around January 2019 as a date plucked out of nowhere
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Post by sportsman on Nov 20, 2022 20:18:08 GMT
Get on with the bloody football
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 20:18:26 GMT
The risk of slating Qatar in Qatar? There’s a massive risk. What like you think they might get their hands chopped off or something? They’re very safe in the BBC bubble
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 20, 2022 20:22:29 GMT
Yes reporting on it like they should be in their roles. It’s their job to. Going and actually slating them in their country is far more impactful than doing it from the comfort of a studio in London isn’t it? No it isn’t, not while they spend 90% of their time commenting on the game. And it’s not their job. I can see it now on their job description, if they have one. “Must be prepared to get all uppity and hypocritical about political issues whilst coining vast sums of money instead of talking about football”. It’ll fall under the umbrella of “other duties” no doubt. Before the tournament began I would have totally agreed with you, I thought Hislop totally owned Neville on HIGNFY. However, watching the first half hour of that BBC broadcast today shocked me. I thought as I was watching it, that Infantino will have steam coming out of his ears when he sees this and that the Saudi Royal family will probably want them all sent home. It clearly had much more impact saying what they said IN Qatar, rather than staying at home. It will be interesting to see how ITV play it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 20, 2022 20:24:12 GMT
No it isn’t, not while they spend 90% of their time commenting on the game. And it’s not their job. I can see it now on their job description, if they have one. “Must be prepared to get all uppity and hypocritical about political issues whilst coining vast sums of money instead of talking about football”. It’ll fall under the umbrella of “other duties” no doubt. Before the tournament began I would have totally agreed with you, I thought Hislop totally owned Neville on HIGNFY. However, watching the first half hour of that BBC broadcast today shocked me. I thought as I was watching it, that Infantino will have steam coming out of his ears when he sees this and that the Saudi Royal family will probably want them all sent home. It clearly had much more impact saying what they said IN Qatar, rather than staying at home. It will be interesting to see how ITV play it. I don’t agree but fair enough
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Post by sportsman on Nov 20, 2022 20:24:18 GMT
Wonder if the BBC will blame the probably 60 people who bothered to watch today after about half an hour on the public protesting rather than the political shit boring coverage of a world cup tournament
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Post by sportsman on Nov 20, 2022 20:31:26 GMT
No it isn’t, not while they spend 90% of their time commenting on the game. And it’s not their job. I can see it now on their job description, if they have one. “Must be prepared to get all uppity and hypocritical about political issues whilst coining vast sums of money instead of talking about football”. It’ll fall under the umbrella of “other duties” no doubt. Before the tournament began I would have totally agreed with you, I thought Hislop totally owned Neville on HIGNFY. However, watching the first half hour of that BBC broadcast today shocked me. I thought as I was watching it, that Infantino will have steam coming out of his ears when he sees this and that the Saudi Royal family will probably want them all sent home. It clearly had much more impact saying what they said IN Qatar, rather than staying at home. It will be interesting to see how ITV play it. I'd guess not quite as bad as the BBC have. I'd be more interested in how the pair if them play it if England thrash Iran tomorrow and go on to win all three games in the group. Let me guess they'll all be wanking over Harry Kane probably, with a bit of let's see how the fans are reacting back home, with footage of england fans throwing pints in the air, cutting back to lineker and shearer laughing their bags off at the scenes of joy. I really hope and will be watching closely at the BBC, itv, lineker, Neville and co at their days, weeks, months,years of their follow up reports after the world cup
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Post by noustie on Nov 20, 2022 20:32:12 GMT
ok great we have got lgbtq+ in before a ball is kicked, although I ask what the plus is for! can anyone confirm if it refers to minor attracted person? At some point we have got to get in climate change and carbon neutral and western colonial oppression! The hypocrisy over there is stark as no doubt there'll be bevvy, blow jobs and bumming in upper-class society to soften the blow of their team apparently being a bit shit. The hypocrisy in the World Cup going there then participants moaning about their homophobia whilst participating anyway is laughable in its ridiculousness. Although we're obviously more progressed we still need to get our own shit sorted before lecturing others for me though - conflating the QT+ with the LBG is in itself seems potentially homophobic. I've read the Q definition over a few times and I think pretty much anyone could call themselves queer - I could shag my wife tonight and if she identifies as a two-spirit Red Indian we're in! I think if I put cat ears on, shit in the neighbours garden and tried lick my own arse afterwards it would cement our position further. Under T we've had the Cass Report where a massively disproportionate number of kids with homosexual tendencies were being affirmed, medicated and operated on unsafely to the point staff darkly joked there'd be no gay kids left at this rate - that seems massively homophobic to me. How it isn't a scandal of massive proportion melts my mind. Under + you can have blokes who get off shitting in nappies with a rusk in their mouth, furries who meows at each other, folk who want open relationships etc. If we're putting sexual fetishism on equal platforms to gay and lesbians then that again seems homophobic.
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