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Post by 4doorsaloon on Nov 24, 2021 22:12:29 GMT
Just when MON starts to win back a bit of favour he yet again oversees another massive clusterfuck - we'll not win for another 3 games now Bin him off - he's not got what it takes So the 9 players out hasn’t affected his options then. He’s a great manager. Look where we were when he took over. Tonight was just one of those days. We were the better side just didn’t get the breaks. This…. A post that makes perfect sense. He is a very good manager and we are indeed lucky to have him. Played them off the park tonight, just failed to put the ball in the net… which is the players btw not our manager.
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Post by sealion100 on Nov 24, 2021 22:14:18 GMT
Lost to a bunch of kids who wanted it more... possession means nothing when it’s all backwards Missing to many guilt edge chances game after game!!!
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 24, 2021 22:15:37 GMT
Yeah, but I do blame him for waiting ages to shake things up again. Back to the approach from earlier in the season that failed over and over again. What else was he meant to do to shake things up? He bought on Campbell and Doughty who both should have scored….. Should have done that earlier IMO. I think MON has shown he learns, and did game management better recently. But this delay was like the bad form of earlier in the season when it hurt us several times. That said, maybe the docs told him to limit their playtime. I obviously don't know about that, but I found it frustrating from the sidelines.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 24, 2021 22:16:02 GMT
Why cant we just accept it wasn't our night. Were not going up and we aren't going down, no need for the abuse. But we could have been going up!
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Post by Old School Stokie on Nov 24, 2021 22:16:08 GMT
Come on - with a bit more focus we should hav3 won that 4-1 without th3 stonewall penalty - you can’t blame manager - tonight that was down to wrong decisions and poor finishing by players - that’s it. Chester is not good enough to win high balls in the penalty area - it was his man with Fletcher in front who missed it too like he missed two golden opportunities in the first half.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 24, 2021 22:18:15 GMT
But we didn’t and we don’t amd we won’t while brown is 50% of our strike force and I think that’s flawed anyway Derby , millwall , sheff United , Bristol , cardiff have shown whatever the score our midfield can’t stand a battle without Thomson , so if he’s not available you have to change the system or the personnel andvif you’ve watched Coventry and QPR that’s what’s coming Today we didn’t have the personnel to change the system. General Comments I’ve heard on here: People moaning about Smith as a full back…. so apparently we can’t play as a back four. People moan about Tymon……but he’s only ever had one decent game for us in centre midfield, so we probably shouldn’t use him there. People argue that Wilmot should go in the centre of midfield (because he played there for a game when on loan in diapers)…..but apparently he also cannot pass. We got hit hard over the International break with our first choice goalkeeper, newly established first choice defensive midfielder and well-established first name on the team sheet all injured. What team would you have played tonight? I’m not paid circa £1m to recruit the squad or select the team so just because thus pilot is hell bent on flying through a storm why would I a road sweeper know a different route but a different pilot would . For the record id have gone 442 . I’d be relaxed with ince on the right of a 4 abd id hsve brown as an impact sub or in the right instead of ince but hed be nowhere near the front wo he’s good at nothing as a front player where as a right sided midfielder where he started he’s at least an athlete if not a footballer
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Post by houstonsteve on Nov 24, 2021 22:21:33 GMT
Does anybody know which surface Thommo is training on at the moment?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 22:24:35 GMT
Today we didn’t have the personnel to change the system. General Comments I’ve heard on here: People moaning about Smith as a full back…. so apparently we can’t play as a back four. People moan about Tymon……but he’s only ever had one decent game for us in centre midfield, so we probably shouldn’t use him there. People argue that Wilmot should go in the centre of midfield (because he played there for a game when on loan in diapers)…..but apparently he also cannot pass. We got hit hard over the International break with our first choice goalkeeper, newly established first choice defensive midfielder and well-established first name on the team sheet all injured. What team would you have played tonight? I’m not paid circa £1m to recruit the squad or select the team so just because thus pilot is hell bent on flying through a storm why would I a road sweeper know a different route but a different pilot would . For the record id have gone 442 . I’d be relaxed with ince on the right of a 4 abd id hsve brown as an impact sub or in the right instead of ince but hed be nowhere near the front wo he’s good at nothing as a front player where as a right sided midfielder where he started he’s at least an athlete if not a footballer Okay, so the midfield is too weak, but you’d resolve that by reducing the number of midfielders by one? The midfield is too weak, but you’d add grit to it by bringing in Tom Ince on the right side of a 4-4-2?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2021 22:26:03 GMT
Lost to a bunch of kids who wanted it more... possession means nothing when it’s all backwards Missing to many guilt edge chances game after game!!! We did well to be missing gilt edge chances with all that backwards passing….
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2021 22:26:35 GMT
Does anybody know which surface Thommo is training on at the moment? His left foot is on the grass but his right is still on the asphalt…….
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 24, 2021 22:27:28 GMT
I’m not paid circa £1m to recruit the squad or select the team so just because thus pilot is hell bent on flying through a storm why would I a road sweeper know a different route but a different pilot would . For the record id have gone 442 . I’d be relaxed with ince on the right of a 4 abd id hsve brown as an impact sub or in the right instead of ince but hed be nowhere near the front wo he’s good at nothing as a front player where as a right sided midfielder where he started he’s at least an athlete if not a footballer Okay, so the midfield is too weak, but you’d resolve that by reducing the number of midfielders by one? The midfield is too weak, but you’d add grit to it by bringing in Tom Ince on the right side of a 4-4-2? Two banks of 4 is worth a try in my view given the last two games have shown without Thomson we are hopeless with a three Of sawyers , allen and vranic and he can’t play them Saturday now
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 24, 2021 22:28:52 GMT
Okay, so the midfield is too weak, but you’d resolve that by reducing the number of midfielders by one? The midfield is too weak, but you’d add grit to it by bringing in Tom Ince on the right side of a 4-4-2? Two banks of 4 is worth a try in my view given the last two games have shown without Thomson we are hopeless with a three Of sawyers , allen and vranic and he can’t play them Saturday now Poor officiating and poor finishing cost us tonight, it’s had nothing to do with tactics or formations.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 22:31:06 GMT
Okay, so the midfield is too weak, but you’d resolve that by reducing the number of midfielders by one? The midfield is too weak, but you’d add grit to it by bringing in Tom Ince on the right side of a 4-4-2? Two banks of 4 is worth a try in my view given the last two games have shown without Thomson we are hopeless with a three Of sawyers , allen and vranic and he can’t play them Saturday now But why would we be better with just a two of Vrancic and Sawyers (our only two fit central midfielders) I just don’t get that logic.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 24, 2021 22:31:27 GMT
Two banks of 4 is worth a try in my view given the last two games have shown without Thomson we are hopeless with a three Of sawyers , allen and vranic and he can’t play them Saturday now Poor officiating and poor finishing cost us tonight, it’s had nothing to do with tactics or formations. Except loads said on Saturday night wr got away with one there and Wednesday needs a different approach cue same old and make no mistake disaster tonight’s a horrible result
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 24, 2021 22:34:00 GMT
Allen gave the ball to the opposition 16 times. 16. My god, thank fuck he can't play at the weekend. That's nearly 5-10 mins of possession a match saved without him being their best player! He's awful, the sooner he's dropped the better.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 24, 2021 22:36:52 GMT
I'm still shaking my head. A promotion chasing side should have smashed these tonight.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 24, 2021 22:38:54 GMT
Come on - with a bit more focus we should hav3 won that 4-1 without th3 stonewall penalty - you can’t blame manager - tonight that was down to wrong decisions and poor finishing by players - that’s it. Chester is not good enough to win high balls in the penalty area - it was his man with Fletcher in front who missed it too like he missed two golden opportunities in the first half. Who signed Fletcher , Chester , Doughty , Brown the Drivers of tonight’s disaster are his players and all performed true to form , and we can add surridge to thats whose contribution is zero , interestingly the best players tonight Tymon and Baht he inherited its all rooted in yet more more recruitment
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Post by doitforever on Nov 24, 2021 22:40:50 GMT
Anyone think of any ex Monaco Senegal international players who might be available at short notice to fill in for Allen? 😊
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 24, 2021 22:40:56 GMT
Okay, so the midfield is too weak, but you’d resolve that by reducing the number of midfielders by one? The midfield is too weak, but you’d add grit to it by bringing in Tom Ince on the right side of a 4-4-2? Two banks of 4 is worth a try in my view given the last two games have shown without Thomson we are hopeless with a three Of sawyers , allen and vranic and he can’t play them Saturday now We dominated tonight and they had very little to cause us concern other than set pieces which you can do nothing about. I thought Sawyers was excellentt. Allen was very poor tonight. On Saturday I’d put Tymon into the CM. He gets about the pitch a lot better just needs to be disciplined even Wilmott might be worth a go.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 24, 2021 22:41:35 GMT
Stoke must be the biggest charity case in world football.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 24, 2021 22:42:56 GMT
Come on - with a bit more focus we should hav3 won that 4-1 without th3 stonewall penalty - you can’t blame manager - tonight that was down to wrong decisions and poor finishing by players - that’s it. Chester is not good enough to win high balls in the penalty area - it was his man with Fletcher in front who missed it too like he missed two golden opportunities in the first half. Who signed Fletcher , Chester , Doughty , Brown the Drivers of tonight’s disaster are his players and all performed true to form , and we can add surridge to thats whose contribution is zero , interestingly the best players tonight Tymon and Baht he inherited its all rooted in yet more more recruitment I thought Fletcher was decent, Doughty missed a sitter but was OK on the whole, Brown had an off night and Chester is poor but didn’t do a lot wrong.
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 24, 2021 22:43:05 GMT
Come on - with a bit more focus we should hav3 won that 4-1 without th3 stonewall penalty - you can’t blame manager - tonight that was down to wrong decisions and poor finishing by players - that’s it. Chester is not good enough to win high balls in the penalty area - it was his man with Fletcher in front who missed it too like he missed two golden opportunities in the first half. Who signed Fletcher , Chester , Doughty , Brown the Drivers of tonight’s disaster are his players and all performed true to form , and we can add surridge to thats whose contribution is zero , interestingly the best players tonight Tymon and Baht he inherited its all rooted in yet more more recruitment give it a rest fella. He also brought through Souttar, Tymon, Campbell and Bursik. If it was down to Jones these would be history and we’d be watching Sam Vokes slog it against some shitty div 1 side We lost today but the performance wasn’t bad, just the finishing and refereeing
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 24, 2021 22:45:45 GMT
I'm still shaking my head. A promotion chasing side should have smashed these tonight. They would. We aren’t so we didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 22:51:55 GMT
Does anybody know which surface Thommo is training on at the moment? His left foot is on the grass but his right is still on the asphalt……. No wonder we get so many injuries if that’s how they are training!
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Post by steve66 on Nov 24, 2021 23:14:44 GMT
Two banks of 4 is worth a try in my view given the last two games have shown without Thomson we are hopeless with a three Of sawyers , allen and vranic and he can’t play them Saturday now We dominated tonight and they had very little to cause us concern other than set pieces which you can do nothing about. I thought Sawyers was excellentt. Allen was very poor tonight. On Saturday I’d put Tymon into the CM. He gets about the pitch a lot better just needs to be disciplined even Wilmott might be worth a go. You thought sawyers excellent tonight???? He started off tidily for 15 minutes, then his passing was awful, lack of putting in meaningful challenges either on the ground or in the air which mostly he avoids going for at all costs, not even a token jump to put opponents off, choosing wrong pass when had ample time on the ball….. I beg to differ!!!!!
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 24, 2021 23:28:58 GMT
We won on Saturday when really we should have lost, and we lost tonight when we should have been 2 or 3 up at half time.
That's football, people need to get a grip.
We win 3 on the bounce for the first time in years and tonight people want to sack the manager, when it was clearly the players who failed to perform tonight, missing chance after chance.
When MON gets some decent money to spend he will get us promoted.
There is always a silver lining; we are now going to find out how good or bad we are without Allen.
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Post by everyoneneedsawhelan on Nov 24, 2021 23:29:30 GMT
Anyone bemoaning the manager, are you thick or doing it on purpose? The only blame you could place on MON was making the subs too late.
He isn’t the one trying to stick it in the net, and failing from a brilliant position numerous times. On another day we score 4, that’s just football for you.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 24, 2021 23:37:08 GMT
We won on Saturday when really we should have lost, and we lost tonight when we should have been 2 or 3 up at half time. That's football, people need to get a grip. We win 3 on the bounce for the first time in years and tonight people want to sack the manager, when it was clearly the players who failed to perform tonight, missing chance after chance. When MON gets some decent money to spend he will get us promoted. There is always a silver lining; we are now going to find out how good or bad we are Allen. What's the evidence fir giving him money brown surridgr doughty all the loans say recruitment remains a fundamental issue
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Post by rambo61 on Nov 24, 2021 23:41:53 GMT
Thank fuck for the red card...thats one wanker we dont have to worry about giving the ball away on saturday!!!!
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Post by samba :) on Nov 24, 2021 23:47:17 GMT
Thank fuck for the red card...thats one wanker we dont have to worry about giving the ball away on saturday!!!! yeah great lost all of our running in midfield, absolutely perfect
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