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Post by Northy on Nov 18, 2021 19:02:45 GMT
That seems to be your answer all the time, when did we last bomb a lot of these countries where they are coming from ? The ones I saw on the TV yesterday were from Kazakhstan, when did we bomb them ? They'd sold their house to pay to get here, who sold them the promises of riches when they get here, that's the problems that need sorting out isn't it ? Have you need seen the state of the region, in particular the countries left decimated by Western intervention? I'm sorry if my answer is consistent with the issues we've help create over the last 30 years in particular. I can't comment on a small sample of Kazakh's without knowing more about them...... Afghanistan was because they were hosting Al queda after the world trade centre, Iraq was after they invaded Kuwait, then Blairs criminal activity. Libya once again criminal activity against the West, Syria was civil war and ISIS
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Post by vokeswagen on Nov 18, 2021 20:22:30 GMT
Have you need seen the state of the region, in particular the countries left decimated by Western intervention? I'm sorry if my answer is consistent with the issues we've help create over the last 30 years in particular. I can't comment on a small sample of Kazakh's without knowing more about them...... Afghanistan was because they were hosting Al queda after the world trade centre, Iraq was after they invaded Kuwait, then Blairs criminal activity. Libya once again criminal activity against the West, Syria was civil war and ISIS Short on facts fella
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Nov 18, 2021 20:29:30 GMT
Maybe those who really struggle with the rise in asylum seekers could stop and think that it probably wouldn't be so bad if we handn't bombed or funded/armed the shit out of their respective homelands in the first place. Just a thought like..... It's a very good point, Labours invasion of Iraq has led to the destabilisation of the whole region. Labours actions in the name of the British people has caused the deaths of 100's of thousands and the displacement of millions. Somebody or party should really be held responsible for the decades of misery suffered by millions. This isn't the loss of temporary benefit increases or moderate public sector wage increases as some like to constantly, constantly and again constantly retweet, it is real death, home destruction, country and cultural destruction, family separation and the need to risk your life and the life of your children to cross the busiest shipping lane in the high seas to reach the land of temporary benefit increases and moderate public sector wage increases. VOTE LABOUR
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2021 21:59:18 GMT
Maybe those who really struggle with the rise in asylum seekers could stop and think that it probably wouldn't be so bad if we handn't bombed or funded/armed the shit out of their respective homelands in the first place. Just a thought like..... It's a very good point, Labours invasion of Iraq has led to the destabilisation of the whole region. Labours actions in the name of the British people has caused the deaths of 100's of thousands and the displacement of millions. Somebody or party should really be held responsible for the decades of misery suffered by millions. This isn't the loss of temporary benefit increases or moderate public sector wage increases as some like to constantly, constantly and again constantly retweet, it is real death, home destruction, country and cultural destruction, family separation and the need to risk your life and the life of your children to cross the busiest shipping lane in the high seas to reach the land of temporary benefit increases and moderate public sector wage increases. VOTE LABOURIn fairness, Blair would never have been able to to what he did if he hadn’t have had the unanimous backing of the Tories, because Labour were certainly not all in favour. I’d say that war was a collective effort from Labour and the Tories.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 19, 2021 10:03:34 GMT
Mr Coke, when it's all boiled down, we don't really disagree with much but I tend to look at a more holistic/worldwide picture than yourself. I'm going to leave this particular discussion at that because once I get on my soapbox about politics and religion, and especially with my propensity to deal with things in a realistic and brutal way, I often get misjudged with what I say. To paraphrase stuff, I would welcome any person to these shores providing they contribute to society but not until we've rebuilt the infrastructure so that, along with the indigenous population, they're assured of a good standard of life when they get here. OS. Well I guess this is a start: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59331828If we can't stop them coming from the EU, the next best thing is to help the EU stop them getting in. Next step is to build them housing estates, etc. somewhere?
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 19, 2021 12:30:15 GMT
Stop or help to prevent the causes of mass migration and the problem will be solved. It will never be solved through force.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 19, 2021 13:16:22 GMT
Stop or help to prevent the causes of mass migration and the problem will be solved. It will never be solved through force. Sounds good. What are your proposals? Perhaps countries could get around a table and sort out their differences with a game of Uno?
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 19, 2021 13:50:11 GMT
Stop or help to prevent the causes of mass migration and the problem will be solved. It will never be solved through force. Sounds good. What are your proposals? Perhaps countries could get around a table and sort out their differences with a game of Uno? My proposals? You have economical migrants, war migrants, climate migrants, political migrants and many sub-categories. These are generally accepted as root causes for mass migration. Work on these and it will help.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 24, 2021 16:06:53 GMT
Just heard several migrants have drowned today while crossing the channel , ultimate sacrifice and now the weather turning I fear this won’t be the last
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 24, 2021 18:33:41 GMT
Under article 2 of the European Human Rights Act, everyone has a right to life and the state has a positive obligation to promote this. So as the French are wilfully turning a blind eye to migrants leaving their shores, will Brussels be preparing any prosecution papers, or does this not apply to France?
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 24, 2021 18:39:20 GMT
Just seen it could be over thirty and maybe some children , the worst disaster since 2014 crossing the channel, awful news
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Post by dexta on Nov 24, 2021 18:43:49 GMT
Just seen it could be over thirty and maybe some children , the worst disaster since 2014 crossing the channel, awful news why would any parent ever put their children's life in such a way I will never know
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Post by thevoid on Nov 24, 2021 18:47:21 GMT
Just seen it could be over thirty and maybe some children , the worst disaster since 2014 crossing the channel, awful news why would any parent ever put their children's life in such a way I will never know Not when they're already in a perfectly safe country
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 24, 2021 18:50:42 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2021 19:01:32 GMT
You’ve read the news, the U.K. is paradise since Brexit. Don’t knock it.!
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 24, 2021 19:07:35 GMT
Just seen it could be over thirty and maybe some children , the worst disaster since 2014 crossing the channel, awful news why would any parent ever put their children's life in such a way I will never know It’s crazy really , what makes them want to leave a safe country like France , I could understand if it was a war torn country
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2021 19:08:57 GMT
why would any parent ever put their children's life in such a way I will never know It’s crazy really , what makes them want to leave a safe country like France , I could understand if it was a war torn country One word. Croissants!
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Post by yeswilko on Nov 24, 2021 19:10:31 GMT
It's a very good point, Labours invasion of Iraq has led to the destabilisation of the whole region. Labours actions in the name of the British people has caused the deaths of 100's of thousands and the displacement of millions. Somebody or party should really be held responsible for the decades of misery suffered by millions. This isn't the loss of temporary benefit increases or moderate public sector wage increases as some like to constantly, constantly and again constantly retweet, it is real death, home destruction, country and cultural destruction, family separation and the need to risk your life and the life of your children to cross the busiest shipping lane in the high seas to reach the land of temporary benefit increases and moderate public sector wage increases. VOTE LABOURIn fairness, Blair would never have been able to to what he did if he hadn’t have had the unanimous backing of the Tories, because Labour were certainly not all in favour. I’d say that war was a collective effort from Labour and the Tories. This gets pointed out to wagsastokie many times a year but he pretends his beloved tory masters would have never gone to war.
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Post by dexta on Nov 24, 2021 19:10:59 GMT
It’s crazy really , what makes them want to leave a safe country like France , I could understand if it was a war torn country One word. Croissants! do you mean cross ants
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2021 19:11:59 GMT
Just seen it could be over thirty and maybe some children , the worst disaster since 2014 crossing the channel, awful news why would any parent ever put their children's life in such a way I will never know Correct, you will never know. Thankfully none of us will…….
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Post by dexta on Nov 24, 2021 19:13:45 GMT
why would any parent ever put their children's life in such a way I will never know Correct, you will never know. Thankfully none of us will……. so if you have any children would you put them in a dingy and try and cross the channel?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 24, 2021 19:23:07 GMT
why would any parent ever put their children's life in such a way I will never know It’s crazy really , what makes them want to leave a safe country like France , I could understand if it was a war torn country The French maybe? I'd be interested to see this questioned amongst France and the other EU members. It must be god awful for the natives, I wonder when we get the first dinghy of Frenchmen trying to claim asylum.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2021 20:08:21 GMT
Correct, you will never know. Thankfully none of us will……. so if you have any children would you put them in a dingy and try and cross the channel? I have 3, not sat where I am with my relatively comfortable life of course I wouldn’t. But I have no comprehension of what some of these people are going through, or which unscrupulous people they meet along the way……
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Post by salopstick on Nov 24, 2021 20:28:39 GMT
Why is the UK seen as better than France that they are prepared to risk their lives for
France is hardly the third world
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Post by bertiebigguns on Nov 24, 2021 20:38:13 GMT
If the option was walking blindfolded across a minefield to reach the U.K. haven it would be stopped at source. Why the fuck is an overloaded rubber dingy crossing the sea equivalent of the M6 motorway in the middle of winter not stopped to avoid the same outcome?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2021 20:43:04 GMT
Why is the UK seen as better than France that they are prepared to risk their lives for France is hardly the third world Croissants! Keep up
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 24, 2021 20:54:02 GMT
Why is the UK seen as better than France that they are prepared to risk their lives for France is hardly the third world I dunno mate 'cos if you read this forum with any kind of regularity then you'd know that the UK is filled to the brim with Nazi's roaming the streets hunting for any foreigner they can find, we have the most corrupt government on Earth, we're all uncaring, unkind wankers with zero empathy or compassion, all our institutions are riddled with racism, and not forgetting that thanks to all the racist thickos we've had Brexit ruin everything else. Staggering that anyone would want to leave the utopia of the EU to come here... Unyet, amazingly, it's the same people who'll tell you how shit our country is that will also tell you they completely understand why people are escaping the EU to come here.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2021 20:57:56 GMT
Why is the UK seen as better than France that they are prepared to risk their lives for France is hardly the third world Language, strong communities particularly in big cities like London, Birmingham and Manchester offering more support/opportunities. Plus you don’t hear about the tens of thousands that decide to stay in France or not even get as far as that…….
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 25, 2021 6:43:12 GMT
Why is the UK seen as better than France that they are prepared to risk their lives for France is hardly the third world Language, strong communities particularly in big cities like London, Birmingham and Manchester offering more support/opportunities. Plus you don’t hear about the tens of thousands that decide to stay in France or not even get as far as that……. Can you elaborate on support / opportunities, and language? , and do you think as you’ve said tens of thousands stay there, if we were joined to France by just a border and not the sea those tens of thousands wouldn’t just try to get in the U.K. , I find it hard to understand why parents would risk their children’s lives and their own by crossing the channel in November when hand on heart there’s nothing wrong with France as it’s already a multi cultural European country
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Post by thevoid on Nov 25, 2021 7:03:09 GMT
Why is the UK seen as better than France that they are prepared to risk their lives for France is hardly the third world Language, strong communities particularly in big cities like London, Birmingham and Manchester offering more support/opportunities. Plus you don’t hear about the tens of thousands that decide to stay in France or not even get as far as that……. So, not a racist hell hole then?
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