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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 18, 2022 16:07:54 GMT
I still blame Dave Kitson
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 18, 2022 16:13:50 GMT
I've voted and put a comment on, I think its all our duties to do what's right.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 19, 2022 13:16:19 GMT
We filled the open corner in years ago Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw
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Post by lordb on Jun 19, 2022 14:21:10 GMT
We filled the open corner in years ago Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw I admit it was a shit joke Sadly so is Afobe
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Post by kustokie on Jun 19, 2022 15:18:14 GMT
Jesus Hates Christ, I actually agree with you. !!!!!!!! Everyone has opinions that Hughes ruined our club, Rowett the first class C##T did far more damage than Hughes. GET REAL!!!!!!!! “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their facts”. Hughes was single-handedly responsible for Stoke’s recent demise.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 19, 2022 15:18:44 GMT
Everyone has opinions that Hughes ruined our club, Rowett the first class C##T did far more damage than Hughes. GET REAL!!!!!!!! “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their facts”. Hughes was single-handedly responsible for Stoke’s recent demise. No he wasn’t, that’s absolute nonsense.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 19, 2022 16:03:43 GMT
Hughes decided to get rid of many of the players that were our backbone at the same time. He then brought in sveral flair players without the necessary fight in them when the going got tough. Maybe not all his fault, but certainly most of it was down to the choices he made.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 19, 2022 16:04:47 GMT
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their facts”. Hughes was single-handedly responsible for Stoke’s recent demise. No he wasn’t, that’s absolute nonsense. Very true you're right..I'd say the Coates's being the club owners needed to play a much more active role than they did. They let the club drift by refusing to acknowledge, what were, fairly clear signs of imminent disaster.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 19, 2022 16:18:12 GMT
Hughes decided to get rid of many of the players that were our backbone at the same time. He then brought in sveral flair players without the necessary fight in them when the going got tough. Maybe not all his fault, but certainly most of it was down to the choices he made. The only player he got rid of that he shouldn't have done was Bardsley. Whelan and Walters were toast at the top level. He made a total pig's ear of recruitment and lost the plot big style though and deserves a large share of the blame for that. The mess we made of things post relegation isn't on him though, that's on the joker who wasted the biggest transfer budget in the league and the oddball who followed him. The throughline though is the owners, who made one sorry mistake after another: Not binning Hughes early enough (something they'd got so right with Pulis in canning him at the earlier signs of the plot being lost) Appointing Lambert as the man to try and keep us up. Appointing Rowett and Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 16:25:55 GMT
Hughes decided to get rid of many of the players that were our backbone at the same time. He then brought in sveral flair players without the necessary fight in them when the going got tough. Maybe not all his fault, but certainly most of it was down to the choices he made. He also for a brief spell played the best football I've seen , the highest finishes ever likely to see and beat some of the best team we've come up against or likely too for a while, perhaps
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Post by nonameface on Jun 19, 2022 16:33:26 GMT
Hughes decided to get rid of many of the players that were our backbone at the same time. He then brought in sveral flair players without the necessary fight in them when the going got tough. Maybe not all his fault, but certainly most of it was down to the choices he made. The only player he got rid of that he shouldn't have done was Bardsley. Whelan and Walters were toast at the top level. He made a total pig's ear of recruitment and lost the plot big style though and deserves a large share of the blame for that. The mess we made of things post relegation isn't on him though, that's on the joker who wasted the biggest transfer budget in the league and the oddball who followed him. The throughline though is the owners, who made one sorry mistake after another: Not binning Hughes early enough (something they'd got so right with Pulis in canning him at the earlier signs of the plot being lost) Appointing Lambert as the man to try and keep us up. Appointing Rowett and Jones. Hughes should either have not started that final season, or started and finished it. He would have kept us up, to be fair, most managers would have done, we just signed someone who decided to make us defensive and structured when we didnt have the players for it. The damage done by Rowett, then compounded by Jones makes me very cautious about moving away from a manager who understands this is a long process of recycling players enough to create a FFP budget. Its the only way we can be financially competitive again... it could take several years. Benny Kafobe though, his wages are holding us back so if he can be gone for free, rather than a loan it's a fairly decent deal. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 16:44:26 GMT
The only player he got rid of that he shouldn't have done was Bardsley. Whelan and Walters were toast at the top level. He made a total pig's ear of recruitment and lost the plot big style though and deserves a large share of the blame for that. The mess we made of things post relegation isn't on him though, that's on the joker who wasted the biggest transfer budget in the league and the oddball who followed him. The throughline though is the owners, who made one sorry mistake after another: Not binning Hughes early enough (something they'd got so right with Pulis in canning him at the earlier signs of the plot being lost) Appointing Lambert as the man to try and keep us up. Appointing Rowett and Jones. Hughes should either have not started that final season, or started and finished it. He would have kept us up, to be fair, most managers would have done, we just signed someone who decided to make us defensive and structured when we didnt have the players for it. The damage done by Rowett, then compounded by Jones makes me very cautious about moving away from a manager who understands this is a long process of recycling players enough to create a FFP budget. Its the only way we can be financially competitive again... it could take several years. Benny Kafobe though, his wages are holding us back so if he can be gone for free, rather than a loan it's a fairly decent deal. Fingers crossed. Should have been allowed to finish it for me but we'll never know. Yep, we need to shift Benny permanently,agree. Irrelevant what he does after that, just make him someone else's problem. We seem to have a great knack of making out that players are far better than they were when they go elsewhere, especially on loan. He's the last of the dregs down the plughole for me 👏👏👏👏
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 19, 2022 16:53:18 GMT
Hughes decided to get rid of many of the players that were our backbone at the same time. He then brought in sveral flair players without the necessary fight in them when the going got tough. Maybe not all his fault, but certainly most of it was down to the choices he made. He also for a brief spell played the best football I've seen , the highest finishes ever likely to see and beat some of the best team we've come up against or likely too for a while, perhaps I agree with that, some of the best football for a period, but he forgot that we needed steel and comittment to survive. Keeping Johnson and letting Bardsley go was an insane decison. Everybody could see Johnson was finished, dreadful decision. Getting rid of Whelan would have been OK if he had brought in a decent replacement, but he didn't. He also got rid of Huth who was our best defender, another really bad decision! Wollscheid compared to Huth, it really still makes my blood boil!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 17:07:21 GMT
He also for a brief spell played the best football I've seen , the highest finishes ever likely to see and beat some of the best team we've come up against or likely too for a while, perhaps I agree with that, some of the best football for a period, but he forgot that we needed steel and comittment to survive. Keeping Johnson and letting Bardsley go was an insane decison. Everybody could see Johnson was finished, dreadful decision. Getting rid of Whelan would have been OK if he had brought in a decent replacement, but he didn't. He also got rid of Huth who was our best defender, another really bad decision! Wollscheid compared to Huth, it really still makes my blood boil! I think had we perhaps not been banking on Axel Witsel coming then it may have been different. I don't remember too many complaining when Beardsley left and Huth was struggling with form and injury but agree was THE error but all managers make them. No one could have predicted what would happen with Huth. We did move for VVD but was never really on. To be fair many on here mocked Soton for buying him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 19, 2022 17:11:22 GMT
Great as he was for us, Huth leaving was ultimately neither here nor there in terms of its impact. We did fine without him.
I was disappointed Bardsley left as he'd been perfectly serviceable and Johnson post-injury looked finished. We kept the wrong one.
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Post by lordb on Jun 19, 2022 17:41:58 GMT
Hughes decided to get rid of many of the players that were our backbone at the same time. He then brought in sveral flair players without the necessary fight in them when the going got tough. Maybe not all his fault, but certainly most of it was down to the choices he made. The only player he got rid of that he shouldn't have done was Bardsley. Whelan and Walters were toast at the top level. He made a total pig's ear of recruitment and lost the plot big style though and deserves a large share of the blame for that. The mess we made of things post relegation isn't on him though, that's on the joker who wasted the biggest transfer budget in the league and the oddball who followed him. The throughline though is the owners, who made one sorry mistake after another: Not binning Hughes early enough (something they'd got so right with Pulis in canning him at the earlier signs of the plot being lost) Appointing Lambert as the man to try and keep us up. Appointing Rowett and Jones. Hughes switch to wing backs without any wingback is entirely on him
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 19, 2022 17:44:40 GMT
The only player he got rid of that he shouldn't have done was Bardsley. Whelan and Walters were toast at the top level. He made a total pig's ear of recruitment and lost the plot big style though and deserves a large share of the blame for that. The mess we made of things post relegation isn't on him though, that's on the joker who wasted the biggest transfer budget in the league and the oddball who followed him. The throughline though is the owners, who made one sorry mistake after another: Not binning Hughes early enough (something they'd got so right with Pulis in canning him at the earlier signs of the plot being lost) Appointing Lambert as the man to try and keep us up. Appointing Rowett and Jones. Hughes switch to wing backs without any wingback is entirely on him Absolutely, unfathomable and costly decision, beggared belief.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 17:49:51 GMT
Nothing lasts in football and either way was great for a while.
As for Benny I might dust off the Rosary beads
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 19, 2022 19:12:16 GMT
He also for a brief spell played the best football I've seen , the highest finishes ever likely to see and beat some of the best team we've come up against or likely too for a while, perhaps I agree with that, some of the best football for a period, but he forgot that we needed steel and comittment to survive. Keeping Johnson and letting Bardsley go was an insane decison. Everybody could see Johnson was finished, dreadful decision. Getting rid of Whelan would have been OK if he had brought in a decent replacement, but he didn't. He also got rid of Huth who was our best defender, another really bad decision! Wollscheid compared to Huth, it really still makes my blood boil! If what Whelan said about the way his transfer was done is true and I see no reason to disbelieve him, then it doesn't speak well of the management of what was a loyal player at the club. I'm not surprised we ended up with a dressing room that was dysfunctional.
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Post by werrington on Jun 19, 2022 19:16:53 GMT
He also for a brief spell played the best football I've seen , the highest finishes ever likely to see and beat some of the best team we've come up against or likely too for a while, perhaps I agree with that, some of the best football for a period, but he forgot that we needed steel and comittment to survive. Keeping Johnson and letting Bardsley go was an insane decison. Everybody could see Johnson was finished, dreadful decision. Getting rid of Whelan would have been OK if he had brought in a decent replacement, but he didn't. He also got rid of Huth who was our best defender, another really bad decision! Wollscheid compared to Huth, it really still makes my blood boil! Who bid for Johnson?….Did I miss something Bardsley is another who was absolutely slaughtered as shit and a liability when he was here, have a look the threads are out there He’s another who once they’ve left are spoken of in misty eyed memories
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2022 19:27:00 GMT
I agree with that, some of the best football for a period, but he forgot that we needed steel and comittment to survive. Keeping Johnson and letting Bardsley go was an insane decison. Everybody could see Johnson was finished, dreadful decision. Getting rid of Whelan would have been OK if he had brought in a decent replacement, but he didn't. He also got rid of Huth who was our best defender, another really bad decision! Wollscheid compared to Huth, it really still makes my blood boil! Who bid for Johnson?….Did I miss something Bardsley is another who was absolutely slaughtered as shit and a liability when he was here, have a look the threads are out there He’s another who once they’ve left are spoken of in misty eyed memories He’s not. At the time most of us wanted to keep Bardsley over Johnson.
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Post by werrington on Jun 19, 2022 19:28:04 GMT
Who bid for Johnson?….Did I miss something Bardsley is another who was absolutely slaughtered as shit and a liability when he was here, have a look the threads are out there He’s another who once they’ve left are spoken of in misty eyed memories He’s not. At the time most of us wanted to keep Bardsley over Johnson. How could we sell somebody who nobody bid for?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2022 19:32:16 GMT
He’s not. At the time most of us wanted to keep Bardsley over Johnson. How could we sell somebody who nobody bid for? He was out of contract. We gave him a new one.
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Post by werrington on Jun 19, 2022 19:35:09 GMT
How could we sell somebody who nobody bid for? He was out of contract. We gave him a new one. I’ll take your word for it
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 19, 2022 19:45:12 GMT
I agree with that, some of the best football for a period, but he forgot that we needed steel and comittment to survive. Keeping Johnson and letting Bardsley go was an insane decison. Everybody could see Johnson was finished, dreadful decision. Getting rid of Whelan would have been OK if he had brought in a decent replacement, but he didn't. He also got rid of Huth who was our best defender, another really bad decision! Wollscheid compared to Huth, it really still makes my blood boil! Who bid for Johnson?….Did I miss something Bardsley is another who was absolutely slaughtered as shit and a liability when he was here, have a look the threads are out there He’s another who once they’ve left are spoken of in misty eyed memories Bards had a bad spell, but he actually played really well in his last games. Johnson on the other hand was really shite and looked clearly finished. Bid or not, it was anyway peanuts in the PL and you don't get rid of the better players for that!
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Post by lordb on Jun 19, 2022 19:57:46 GMT
He’s not. At the time most of us wanted to keep Bardsley over Johnson. How could we sell somebody who nobody bid for? They were both out of contract weren't they? We gave Johnson a new one I think that's what happened
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jun 19, 2022 20:30:49 GMT
Everyone has opinions that Hughes ruined our club, Rowett the first class C##T did far more damage than Hughes. GET REAL!!!!!!!! “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their facts”. Hughes was single-handedly responsible for Stoke’s recent demise. He gave me the best football I've ever watched down at Stoke. He lost his way. I'm not going to hang him out to dry for that. The real damage was done when the family failed to recognise the rot setting in, when everyone else could see it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 20:42:53 GMT
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their facts”. Hughes was single-handedly responsible for Stoke’s recent demise. He gave me the best football I've ever watched down at Stoke. He lost his way. I'm not going to hang him out to dry for that. The real damage was done when the family failed to recognise the rot setting in, when everyone else could see it. We went in for some players who would have transformed us also and went on to great things. Witsel and Werner were already well enough known players but looked a real possibility at one stage, Lacazette also. We seriously cocked up in the CB position as been highlighted ...were we in for Harry Maguire in the early days seem to remember? Not sure how close that one was. I really liked Hughes and we could take on the best at one time and did.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jun 19, 2022 21:36:45 GMT
We were also in for Robertson, the left back. He was on his way to sign but his agent phoned him at the last minute and said Liverpool were interested and he signed for them instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 21:53:11 GMT
We were also in for Robertson, the left back. He was on his way to sign but his agent phoned him at the last minute and said Liverpool were interested and he signed for them instead. Yep good shout. Man,we could have had some side
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