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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 6:14:57 GMT
Great as he was for us, Huth leaving was ultimately neither here nor there in terms of its impact. We did fine without him. I was disappointed Bardsley left as he'd been perfectly serviceable and Johnson post-injury looked finished. We kept the wrong one. The personnel were neither here nor there, it’s what he was trying to do with them. He went all negative it just wasn’t something he knew how to do. His success had come from keeping the pressure off the defence, that’s why we were able to concede less goals with Wolly than we had with Huth. Soaking it up with military organisation wasn’t something he understood how to do. We were doomed from the moment the notion entered his head.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2022 6:55:42 GMT
Great as he was for us, Huth leaving was ultimately neither here nor there in terms of its impact. We did fine without him. I was disappointed Bardsley left as he'd been perfectly serviceable and Johnson post-injury looked finished. We kept the wrong one. The personnel were neither here nor there, it’s what he was trying to do with them. He went all negative it just wasn’t something he knew how to do. His success had come from keeping the pressure off the defence, that’s why we were able to concede less goals with Wolly than we had with Huth. Soaking it up with military organisation wasn’t something he understood how to do. We were doomed from the moment the notion entered his head. I think the personnel played a part - none of the cheap and cheerful Arnie replacements were fit for purpose, the midfield wasn't fit for purpose, the full backs weren't fit for purpose. But him losing the plot spectacularly tactically was also a huge factor as well.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 7:05:27 GMT
The personnel were neither here nor there, it’s what he was trying to do with them. He went all negative it just wasn’t something he knew how to do. His success had come from keeping the pressure off the defence, that’s why we were able to concede less goals with Wolly than we had with Huth. Soaking it up with military organisation wasn’t something he understood how to do. We were doomed from the moment the notion entered his head. I think the personnel played a part - none of the cheap and cheerful Arnie replacements were fit for purpose, the midfield wasn't fit for purpose, the full backs weren't fit for purpose. But him losing the plot spectacularly tactically was also a huge factor as well. Point I was trying to make was that I don’t think it would have worked much better with better personnel. What he tried to do was not something he understood. The reason a Pulis team could soak up pressure for virtually a whole game was that they were drilled to within an inch of their life, defending in numbers was the teams whole reason for being. It’s not something that you just casually think oh I’ll give that a try.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2022 7:20:47 GMT
I think the personnel played a part - none of the cheap and cheerful Arnie replacements were fit for purpose, the midfield wasn't fit for purpose, the full backs weren't fit for purpose. But him losing the plot spectacularly tactically was also a huge factor as well. Point I was trying to make was that I don’t think it would have worked much better with better personnel. What he tried to do was not something he understood. The reason a Pulis team could soak up pressure for virtually a whole game was that they were drilled to within an inch of their life, defending in numbers was the teams whole reason for being. It’s not something that you just casually think oh I’ll give that a try. I think that's fair enough and definitely true, but I also think the mess of a squad he'd left himself didn't lend itself to any system at all. It was bizarre that he suddenly tried to Pulis his way out of it without knowing how, and the wing back fiasco was next level meltdown, but however we set up he'd left us with a team that couldn't really defend or attack.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 20, 2022 7:54:40 GMT
I admit it was a shit joke Sadly so is Afobe Treble guffaw
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Post by kustokie on Jun 20, 2022 10:30:09 GMT
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their facts”. Hughes was single-handedly responsible for Stoke’s recent demise. No he wasn’t, that’s absolute nonsense. Hughes fell out with Scholes over transfer decisions. Instead of manning up and resigning, Hughes pouted, stopped coaching and waited to be fired. The Coateses waited too long to fire him. By the time they eventually fired him it was too late to find a manager who could have kept us up. What happened after that is irrelevant. Relegation was entirely Hughes’ fault.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 20, 2022 10:37:25 GMT
No he wasn’t, that’s absolute nonsense. Hughes fell out with Scholes over transfer decisions. Instead of manning up and resigning, Hughes pouted, stopped coaching and waited to be fired. The Coateses waited too long to fire him. By the time they eventually fired him it was too late to find a manager who could have kept us up. What happened after that is irrelevant. Relegation was entirely Hughes’ fault. Nonsense, Hughes didn’t appoint Lambert, Hughes didn’t throw the ball over the line v Leicester or fall to catch it v West Ham or miss a penalty against Brighton. And Hughes left the club in a good enough financial state to bounce crack after relegation -Rowett and Jones blew the budget
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2022 10:46:25 GMT
No he wasn’t, that’s absolute nonsense. Hughes fell out with Scholes over transfer decisions. Instead of manning up and resigning, Hughes pouted, stopped coaching and waited to be fired. The Coateses waited too long to fire him. By the time they eventually fired him it was too late to find a manager who could have kept us up. What happened after that is irrelevant. Relegation was entirely Hughes’ fault. Where's this 'Hughes pouted and stopped coaching' come from, what are you basing that on? The transfer decisions were Hughes' - he said himself subsequently that if anything he had too much to do compared to other clubs. If the owners waited too long to fire him (which they did) and it was too late to find a manager who would keep us up (which it wasn't - our owners just have the imagination of a writer on Mrs Brown's Boys) - then it can't 'entirely' have been down to Hughes can it?
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Post by kustokie on Jun 20, 2022 11:46:16 GMT
Hughes fell out with Scholes over transfer decisions. Instead of manning up and resigning, Hughes pouted, stopped coaching and waited to be fired. The Coateses waited too long to fire him. By the time they eventually fired him it was too late to find a manager who could have kept us up. What happened after that is irrelevant. Relegation was entirely Hughes’ fault. Where's this 'Hughes pouted and stopped coaching' come from, what are you basing that on? The transfer decisions were Hughes' - he said himself subsequently that if anything he had too much to do compared to other clubs. If the owners waited too long to fire him (which they did) and it was too late to find a manager who would keep us up (which it wasn't - our owners just have the imagination of a writer on Mrs Brown's Boys) - then it can't 'entirely' have been down to Hughes can it? Some of what I wrote is fact some is opinion. I know he fell out with Scholes over transfers, including ones that Scholes signed off on Hughes’ recommended and turned out to worse than useless and toxic to the dressing room. I am no Scholes fan but that is well known.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 20, 2022 12:02:19 GMT
Any news about Afobe?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2022 12:09:56 GMT
Where's this 'Hughes pouted and stopped coaching' come from, what are you basing that on? The transfer decisions were Hughes' - he said himself subsequently that if anything he had too much to do compared to other clubs. If the owners waited too long to fire him (which they did) and it was too late to find a manager who would keep us up (which it wasn't - our owners just have the imagination of a writer on Mrs Brown's Boys) - then it can't 'entirely' have been down to Hughes can it? Some of what I wrote is fact some is opinion. I know he fell out with Scholes over transfers, including ones that Scholes signed off on Hughes’ recommended and turned out to worse than useless and toxic to the dressing room. I am no Scholes fan but that is well known. What specifically did they fall out about? The bits that are 'opinion', what are they based on as well? You've said yourself the owners waited too long to sack him so surely they're at least partly culpable?
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 20, 2022 12:38:25 GMT
He was supposed to be going Watford but going back Millwall on loan!!!!!
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Jun 20, 2022 12:47:38 GMT
He was supposed to be going Watford but going back Millwall on loan!!!!! I hadn't seen this confirmed. That's bad news.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 20, 2022 17:08:46 GMT
Wouldn't Tottenham like him? For a modest fee of say £18 million pounds.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 21, 2022 17:03:40 GMT
Please get it done! theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-premier-league-latest/WGy2zV38rE3G/Watford's Afobe pursuit — latest Watford have stepped up their interest in Stoke striker Benik Afobe, The Athletic can confirm. They are willing to offer the 29-year-old — who spent last season on loan at Millwall — a two-year deal, but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear.
Afobe, who has one year left on his deal, has more than one offer on the table — including from an unnamed team abroad — and a decision on his future is expected to be made imminently.
Personal terms are yet to be agreed but are key to negotiations that are ongoing. Afobe is understood to be open to working with Watford head coach Rob Edwards again after their experiences together at Wolves.Meanwhile, Watford have agreed a deal to sign Ivorian striker Vakhoun Bayo from Charleroi and are targeting one more striker. They also retain an interest in Aston Villa's Cameron Archer.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2022 17:08:23 GMT
Please get it done! theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-premier-league-latest/WGy2zV38rE3G/Watford's Afobe pursuit — latest Watford have stepped up their interest in Stoke striker Benik Afobe, The Athletic can confirm. They are willing to offer the 29-year-old — who spent last season on loan at Millwall — a two-year deal, but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear.
Afobe, who has one year left on his deal, has more than one offer on the table — including from an unnamed team abroad — and a decision on his future is expected to be made imminently.
Personal terms are yet to be agreed but are key to negotiations that are ongoing. Afobe is understood to be open to working with Watford head coach Rob Edwards again after their experiences together at Wolves.Meanwhile, Watford have agreed a deal to sign Ivorian striker Vakhoun Bayo from Charleroi and are targeting one more striker. They also retain an interest in Aston Villa's Cameron Archer. This really could be a window dreams are made of!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2022 17:10:41 GMT
"but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear" FEE?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2022 17:12:29 GMT
"but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear" FEE? 5 million should do it 😉
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 21, 2022 17:13:07 GMT
"but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear" FEE? "Did you say YOU'd be giving US money?" Play it cool, son, Play it cool
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 17:13:45 GMT
Can't we just give him to a charity shop? He'd fit in amongst the old VHS copies of Minder and Haircut 100 LPs as useless tat.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2022 17:13:55 GMT
"but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear" FEE? "Did you say YOU'd be giving US money?" Play it cool, son, Play it cool
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 21, 2022 17:14:16 GMT
"but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear" FEE? What was it, £11m pissed up the wall? Thanks a lot Rowett.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 21, 2022 17:15:56 GMT
Some of what I wrote is fact some is opinion. I know he fell out with Scholes over transfers, including ones that Scholes signed off on Hughes’ recommended and turned out to worse than useless and toxic to the dressing room. I am no Scholes fan but that is well known. What specifically did they fall out about? The bits that are 'opinion', what are they based on as well? You've said yourself the owners waited too long to sack him so surely they're at least partly culpable? Absolutely are they partly culpable; however, the damage was done by Hughes’ actions and his failure to do his job. They should have fired him much earlier and appointed an interim manager while they found a permanent replacement. Their failure to act compounded Hughes’ behavior but they were not responsible for it. The first company I worked for in 1994 held to the mantra “performance no excuses” - it has served me well for almost 30 years. Recall Peter Coates’ infamous comment “what’s all the fuss about?” was rather telling. He might be a good business man but even the best have their Achilles heel. Misplaced loyalty to poorly performing managers appears to be his.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2022 17:16:08 GMT
"but the fee that Stoke would demand is not yet clear" FEE? What was it, £11m pissed up the wall? Thanks a lot Rowett. Thought it was 12😏
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 21, 2022 17:16:59 GMT
Can't we just give him to a charity shop? He'd fit in amongst the old VHS copies of Minder and Haircut 100 LPs as useless tat. Take that back, Haircut 100 were great!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 17:20:22 GMT
Can't we just give him to a charity shop? He'd fit in amongst the old VHS copies of Minder and Haircut 100 LPs as useless tat. Take that back, Haircut 100 were great! I do feel a bit bad about dissing the Haircuts to be fair. Apologies to all fans of Pelican West and anyone who really does have a favourite shirt on their bed. Just stay away from the lake
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 21, 2022 19:09:37 GMT
Watford fans seem to be split into 2 camps
Those who don't want him......and those who REALLY don't want him!
There seems to be a willingness to trust their manager though, who seems to be the one driving it as he worked with him at Wolves.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 21, 2022 19:13:28 GMT
Take that back, Haircut 100 were great! I do feel a bit bad about dissing the Haircuts to be fair. Apologies to all fans of Pelican West and anyone who really does have a favourite shirt on their bed. Just stay away from the lake Love Plus One is a great tune.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 21, 2022 19:14:27 GMT
Could we really hope for £1-2M for him!!??
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 21, 2022 19:24:45 GMT
Can't we just give him to a charity shop? He'd fit in amongst the old VHS copies of Minder and Haircut 100 LPs as useless tat. How very dare you muffin? Terry Mcann and Justin Hayward deserve better than to be on the same shelf as that man!
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