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Post by cymap on Jul 12, 2022 16:07:38 GMT
Talksport saying £20.5m + £3m in addons
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Jul 12, 2022 16:07:50 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:07:50 GMT
No doubt he’s done a good job getting players out, obviously it’s taken the Will to pay a lot of them off so it’s not all his credit. I don’t like the “dead to me attitude” but if other things were better I’m sure I could ignore it. Yep he does have a reputation for discipline and this is a massive 3-4 months for him. He knows we need more in as he's said recently and hopefully this come at the right time. Might explain his recent comments as the deal was in the pipeline and maybe see some movement now. We had a sell on if Burnley stayed up of course but oddly them going down may have worked in our favour. To me it’s not discipline. That would be a proportionate sanction per offence and then we move on. To me it’s something more sinister and old fashioned ie “dead to me”, you’re on the naughty step until I say otherwise. To me it’s all old fashioned crap that modern people just won’t put up with and shouldn’t have to.
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Jul 12, 2022 16:11:33 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:11:33 GMT
It’s a pity it was handled they way it was but that’s MON for you. You could think it was a new manager putting his marker down but he’s done it with other players since. The player hasn't exactly come out to the press and screamed that he wants to be fighting to play for the club and will do all he can to get back into the team now has he? Wasn't it rumoured/suggested by MON that he came into his office soon after he arrived and said he wanted out? If he wasn't up for the dogfight, why should he be up for anything else? I'm still not sure what Etebo offers apart from an ability to run with the ball coupled with an inability to pass it off after making forward gains. Hopefully some/all of this money will go to bringing in a target man anyways. I really don't want to see us try and start the season without one. It’s obviously a fundamental difference of views I don’t see why he should have to be screaming anything. I think your views on managing people are old hat and thankfully on their way to extinction. EDIT: He wouldn’t be doing much driving forward for me he’d be DM. I totally agree his end product and use of the ball left a lot to be desired. He’s played DM for Nigeria and been pretty decent it’s a natural role for him, he might well disagree.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2022 16:12:02 GMT
% of profit then. So about £1.5ish if it's 15% or 20%?
With maybe a bit more to come in add-ons.
Thought it probably would be, but still annoying once you've seen the prospect of £3-4m dangled.
Won't really go that far, but better than nothing.
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Jul 12, 2022 16:13:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 16:13:19 GMT
% of profit then. So about £1.5ish if it's 15% or 20%? With maybe a bit more to come in add-ons. Thought it probably would be, but still annoying once you've seen the prospect of £3-4m dangled. Won't really go that far, but better than nothing. Is it confirmed as % of profit, Grapey?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2022 16:15:19 GMT
% of profit then. So about £1.5ish if it's 15% or 20%? With maybe a bit more to come in add-ons. Thought it probably would be, but still annoying once you've seen the prospect of £3-4m dangled. Won't really go that far, but better than nothing. Is it confirmed as % of profit, Grapey? That's what Pete Smith has said in the Sentinel. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-nathan-collins-7324387Stoke City will receive a seven-figure boost as Nathan Collins completes a move from Burnley to Wolves. It is understood that Stoke will take a cut of Burnley's profit for a defender who moved from Stoke to Turf Moor for about £12m last summer
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Post by lordb on Jul 12, 2022 16:21:24 GMT
so more than £1m less than £2m
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Jul 12, 2022 16:26:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 16:26:45 GMT
Probably just about pay off the short fall in Etebo's wages when we loan him out for next to nothing again
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Jul 12, 2022 16:43:37 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:43:37 GMT
Probably just about pay off the short fall in Etebo's wages when we loan him out for next to nothing again Funny that you obviously know that we loaned a player to a Premier league club without a loan fee and without them covering his entire wage. Can you reference that anywhere or is it just some shit you made up?
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Jul 12, 2022 16:53:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 16:53:26 GMT
Yep he does have a reputation for discipline and this is a massive 3-4 months for him. He knows we need more in as he's said recently and hopefully this come at the right time. Might explain his recent comments as the deal was in the pipeline and maybe see some movement now. We had a sell on if Burnley stayed up of course but oddly them going down may have worked in our favour. To me it’s not discipline. That would be a proportionate sanction per offence and then we move on. To me it’s something more sinister and old fashioned ie “dead to me”, you’re on the naughty step until I say otherwise. To me it’s all old fashioned crap that modern people just won’t put up with and shouldn’t have to. Macari and Pulis were both guilty of it to an extent. I remember Toddy's rant in the bar after a friendly with Crewe think it was . He hadn't even been contacted pre season he claimed and Macari didn't even turn up for the friendly. Obviously we have no idea what went on between them...wish we had video phones back then 😉 He was a man possessed. Never played for us again of course
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 12, 2022 16:55:20 GMT
so more than £1m less than £2m Our sell on fee was high because we accepted a lower fee than we felt he was worth. The sell on fee is a percentage of the full transfer fee and is at least 20%. I was told, by a former Burnley Director, that it was £15m transfer fee and 25% sell on fee + other add ons based around survival, appearances and type of club Burnley sold him on to. Maybe it's a 20% sell on clause to clubs in the premier league and 25% to a big 6 club? Either way, we get more than just our share of the profits!
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 12, 2022 16:57:42 GMT
I don't think Pete Smith knows anything does he, nor will we ever find out sadly.
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Jul 12, 2022 16:59:03 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 12, 2022 16:59:03 GMT
so more than £1m less than £2m Our sell on fee was high because we accepted a lower fee than we felt he was worth. The sell on fee is a percentage of the full transfer fee and is at least 20%. I was told, by a former Burnley Director, that it was £15m transfer fee and 25% sell on fee + other add ons based around survival, appearances and type of club Burnley sold him on to. Maybe it's a 20% sell on clause to clubs in the premier league and 25% to a big 6 club? Either way, we get more than just our share of the profits! Sounds much more reliable than the Sentinel
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Jul 12, 2022 16:59:33 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:59:33 GMT
To me it’s not discipline. That would be a proportionate sanction per offence and then we move on. To me it’s something more sinister and old fashioned ie “dead to me”, you’re on the naughty step until I say otherwise. To me it’s all old fashioned crap that modern people just won’t put up with and shouldn’t have to. Macari and Pulis were both guilty of it to an extent. I remember Toddy's rant in the bar after a friendly with Crewe think it was . He hadn't even been contacted pre season he claimed and Macari didn't even turn up for the friendly. Obviously we have no idea what went on between them...wish we had video phones back then 😉 He was a man possessed. Never played for us again of course That type of man management is becoming less and less acceptable or accepted. The god manager is well on the way to extinction, people are managed by policies and procedures not the whims of another employee.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2022 18:01:10 GMT
Not sure this guy is a great source. Seems to be pretty much a Wolves fanzine, so not sure how he'd know much.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2022 18:02:33 GMT
I'm sceptical, but he's rolling with it
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Jul 12, 2022 18:05:23 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 12, 2022 18:05:23 GMT
I trust Davejohno on anything Burnley related….
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Jul 12, 2022 18:05:55 GMT
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Post by northernstokie on Jul 12, 2022 18:05:55 GMT
If that's true then bravo.
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Jul 12, 2022 18:06:27 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 12, 2022 18:06:27 GMT
I'm sceptical, but he's rolling with it All daft points and humour aside, the truth is we'll never know and nor should we really. In this depressed market, 4-5M could do a fair bit of damage if used correctly but also if kept secretly under wraps.
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Post by etebojan on Jul 12, 2022 18:06:49 GMT
I'm sceptical, but he's rolling with it That would be magnificent (fingers crossed)
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Post by northernstokie on Jul 12, 2022 18:18:05 GMT
I'm sceptical, but he's rolling with it All daft points and humour aside, the truth is we'll never know and nor should we really. In this depressed market, 4-5M could do a fair bit of damage if used correctly but also if kept secretly under wraps. We might never know but it we suddenly spend £5m then we will have a good idea where it came from.
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Jul 12, 2022 18:22:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 18:22:44 GMT
Didn't we reject several offers from Burnley so the sell on was perhaps where we gave in so to speak....as did they perhaps if wanted him so much.
Great news, I always go with the Irish Independent as very close to agents etc and not tabloid speculators. 25% of 24 million Euro sounds about what they're saying.
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Jul 12, 2022 19:05:31 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 12, 2022 19:05:31 GMT
Decent news, that would be a fair deal for all concerned eg 20% of the sell on transfer fee, not just on profit.
Burnley win as well, making a profit on a player they only had a few months
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 12, 2022 19:22:14 GMT
I'm sceptical, but he's rolling with it He’s the guy who goes round the Black Country rating mixed grills, my kids watch him on You Tube. He’s branching out……
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Jul 12, 2022 19:28:53 GMT
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Post by neddy on Jul 12, 2022 19:28:53 GMT
As someone has said I guess we will only know if we splash some cash this window? If not probably just a fee on the profit?
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Jul 12, 2022 19:51:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 19:51:36 GMT
Probably just about pay off the short fall in Etebo's wages when we loan him out for next to nothing again Funny that you obviously know that we loaned a player to a Premier league club without a loan fee and without them covering his entire wage. Can you reference that anywhere or is it just some shit you made up? No it's just a wild guess the same as your guess that they paid a loan fee and all his wages. What I do know is that Watford would be well aware of our precarious financial position and would obviously try to take full advantage. I may be wrong but I don't recall a queue of clubs after him last summer.
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Jul 12, 2022 20:19:11 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 12, 2022 20:19:11 GMT
Funny that you obviously know that we loaned a player to a Premier league club without a loan fee and without them covering his entire wage. Can you reference that anywhere or is it just some shit you made up? No it's just a wild guess the same as your guess that they paid a loan fee and all his wages. What I do know is that Watford would be well aware of our precarious financial position and would obviously try to take full advantage. I may be wrong but I don't recall a queue of clubs after him last summer. Agreed. I don't know either but they'd have been fucking stupid to pay a loan fee and could have driven a hard bargain on his wages. With a player who the manager has given up on it would be fairly straightforward to negotiate. What we'll never know I who bought him. Rowett said it wasn't him so assume it was Scholes which seems crazy.
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Jul 12, 2022 20:26:28 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 20:26:28 GMT
No it's just a wild guess the same as your guess that they paid a loan fee and all his wages. What I do know is that Watford would be well aware of our precarious financial position and would obviously try to take full advantage. I may be wrong but I don't recall a queue of clubs after him last summer. Agreed. I don't know either but they'd have been fucking stupid to pay a loan fee and could have driven a hard bargain on his wages. With a player who the manager has given up on it would be fairly straightforward to negotiate. What we'll never know I who bought him. Rowett said it wasn't him so assume it was Scholes which seems crazy. Definitely was he also gave Allen and Bauer those new contracts whilst we had no manager. Was Cartwright still involved then maybe it was something he’d been working on.
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Jul 12, 2022 20:28:59 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 20:28:59 GMT
I'm sceptical, but he's rolling with it He’s the guy who goes round the Black Country rating mixed grills, my kids watch him on You Tube. He’s branching out…… Fuckin hell I like a mixed grill better follow him. Trouble is I’m not on Twitter. I was waiting for Elon to take over because he’d said I’d be able to post whatever I wanted without censorship, bastard.
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Jul 12, 2022 20:29:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 20:29:47 GMT
Agreed. I don't know either but they'd have been fucking stupid to pay a loan fee and could have driven a hard bargain on his wages. With a player who the manager has given up on it would be fairly straightforward to negotiate. What we'll never know I who bought him. Rowett said it wasn't him so assume it was Scholes which seems crazy. Definitely was he also gave Allen and Bauer those new contracts whilst we had no manager. Was Cartwright still involved then maybe it was something he’d been working on. Was something odd with Bauer. Looked a good player and went to every..well many games game...sat upper tier and very passionate. Baffling one
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