|
Post by callas12 on Jul 11, 2022 17:26:04 GMT
Talking of clubs expecting large sell on clauses, Blues were gutted when we let Butland leave for what was only a nominal fee, they were counting on him making them some serious £'s and sort out all their problems when he was set to leave the club
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jul 11, 2022 17:26:18 GMT
Percy is better than Nixon, especially with midlands clubs. If Burnley get £30m it’ll be made up of add ons etc. the initial fee will be £20.5m or close too it, we all know Percy doesn’t tweet unless it’s on the money. Burnley is one of Nixon's pet clubs though. Yeah, assuming 20.5 may be close to the the initial fee with a bucket load of realistic add-ons, like when he left here.
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 17:38:12 GMT
via mobile
Post by crouchbot on Jul 11, 2022 17:38:12 GMT
Percy is better than Nixon, especially with midlands clubs. If Burnley get £30m it’ll be made up of add ons etc. the initial fee will be £20.5m or close too it, we all know Percy doesn’t tweet unless it’s on the money. Burnley is one of Nixon's pet clubs though. Yeah, assuming 20.5 may be close to the the initial fee with a bucket load of realistic add-ons, like when he left here. Yeah I think it makes the most sense, given his age there will be add ons and probably a sell on. Wolves or anyone else, aren’t paying £30m and then potentially having another £10m worth of add ons and a sell on. It wouldn’t make sense. Burnley will want £30m and Wolves will probably have said how about two thirds up front and the rest when he plays X amount of games, when they qualify for Europe etc etc Also, I’m pretty sure Percy is bang on about Wolves.
|
|
|
Post by onionman on Jul 11, 2022 17:50:37 GMT
Hopefully Burnley will insert a sell-on clause so, if Wolves sell him to Man Utd for big money next year, they will get a windfall and we can claim a percentage of it.
|
|
|
Post by werrington on Jul 11, 2022 18:01:09 GMT
Hopefully Burnley will insert a sell-on clause so, if Wolves sell him to Man Utd for big money next year, they will get a windfall and we can claim a percentage of it. It doesn’t work like that
|
|
mr
Youth Player
Posts: 420
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 18:05:23 GMT
via mobile
Post by mr on Jul 11, 2022 18:05:23 GMT
Hopefully Burnley will insert a sell-on clause so, if Wolves sell him to Man Utd for big money next year, they will get a windfall and we can claim a percentage of it. It doesn’t work like that I think it does
|
|
|
Post by werrington on Jul 11, 2022 18:11:53 GMT
It doesn’t work like that I think it does He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something?
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 11, 2022 18:14:02 GMT
Pity another club or two are not interested in him,get a bidding war going.
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 18:14:40 GMT
via mobile
Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 11, 2022 18:14:40 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? From what I can see you are spot on wezzer it's out of our hands now.
|
|
|
Post by Goonie on Jul 11, 2022 18:19:22 GMT
Pity another club or two are not interested in him,get a bidding war going. Anywhere other than Wolves It makes me feel nauseous him going to them ☹️🤢🤮
|
|
mr
Youth Player
Posts: 420
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 18:27:51 GMT
via mobile
Post by mr on Jul 11, 2022 18:27:51 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? I’m sure a league two club received a windfall a few years ago for a player that had transferred twice. I can’t remember who though. I guess it depends on the initial agreement between Stoke and Burnley
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 18:43:52 GMT
via mobile
Post by upthefud on Jul 11, 2022 18:43:52 GMT
Looks like Collins will have had £28.5m spent on him by the age of 20 and he’s done a tour of Stoke, Burnley and Wolves.
It’s a funny old game
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 18:48:10 GMT
via mobile
Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 18:48:10 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? I’m sure a league two club received a windfall a few years ago for a player that had transferred twice. I can’t remember who though. I guess it depends on the initial agreement between Stoke and Burnley There was some dispute with Brighton and Gareth Barry years back. Brighton were due a second add on and took ages for them to get it from Villa who were splashing money elsewhere at the time but hadn't paid a sell on to Brighton or similar.
|
|
|
Post by onionman on Jul 11, 2022 18:56:09 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? I would hope our percentage is calculated from the entire profit Burnley make from Collins, based on however much they get up front for him, plus whatever they get from add-on clauses, including future sales.
|
|
mr
Youth Player
Posts: 420
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 19:05:44 GMT
via mobile
Post by mr on Jul 11, 2022 19:05:44 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? I would hope our percentage is calculated from the entire profit Burnley make from Collins, based on however much they get up front for him, plus whatever they get from add-on clauses, including future sales. It would make more sense that way, otherwise the sell on could be exploited. Burnley could sell for what they paid so they don’t have to pay anything (if it’s based on percentage from profit) and have easily attainable add-ons
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 19:09:29 GMT
via mobile
Post by werrington on Jul 11, 2022 19:09:29 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? I would hope our percentage is calculated from the entire profit Burnley make from Collins, based on however much they get up front for him, plus whatever they get from add-on clauses, including future sales. It really doesn’t work like that If this transfer happens we will get a percentage of whatever wolves pay Burnley that’s over £12m Whatever wolves and Burnley do in the future after that is nothing to do with Stoke City
|
|
mr
Youth Player
Posts: 420
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 19:11:27 GMT
via mobile
Post by mr on Jul 11, 2022 19:11:27 GMT
I would hope our percentage is calculated from the entire profit Burnley make from Collins, based on however much they get up front for him, plus whatever they get from add-on clauses, including future sales. It really doesn’t work like that If this transfer happens we will get a percentage of whatever wolves pay Burnley that’s over £12m Whatever wolves and Burnley do in the future after that is nothing to do with Stoke City Fair enough. You seem to know
|
|
|
Post by mattythestokie on Jul 11, 2022 19:11:59 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? For what it’s worth, it works like that on football manager. Unfortunately I can’t add anymore to the topic than that.
|
|
|
Post by onionman on Jul 11, 2022 19:12:24 GMT
I would hope our percentage is calculated from the entire profit Burnley make from Collins, based on however much they get up front for him, plus whatever they get from add-on clauses, including future sales. It would make more sense that way, otherwise the sell on could be exploited. Burnley could sell for what they paid so they don’t have to pay anything (if it’s based on percentage from profit) and have easily attainable add-ons Yes. For example, Burnley could set the initial price at 12m, so they've made no profit, and therefore no payment to Stoke. And then a 20 million add-on when he sets foot in the training ground, which Burnley get to keep all to themselves.
|
|
|
Post by onionman on Jul 11, 2022 19:18:24 GMT
I would hope our percentage is calculated from the entire profit Burnley make from Collins, based on however much they get up front for him, plus whatever they get from add-on clauses, including future sales. It really doesn’t work like that If this transfer happens we will get a percentage of whatever wolves pay Burnley that’s over £12m Whatever wolves and Burnley do in the future after that is nothing to do with Stoke City I'm surprised at that, because I would have thought Burnley are committed to paying a percentage of their profit to Stoke, whether that profit comes in one lump sum this week, or in a series of installments over the next few years. But I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
|
|
|
Post by Veritas on Jul 11, 2022 19:21:02 GMT
It really doesn’t work like that If this transfer happens we will get a percentage of whatever wolves pay Burnley that’s over £12m Whatever wolves and Burnley do in the future after that is nothing to do with Stoke City I'm surprised at that, because I would have thought Burnley are committed to paying a percentage of their profit to Stoke, whether that profit comes in one lump sum this week, or in a series of installments over the next few years. But I'll bow to your greater knowledge. They will be committed to paying whatever was specified in the original transfer and as none of us know what that was this is all pretty pointless speculation.
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 19:23:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 11, 2022 19:23:50 GMT
A sell on clause works however the parties want it to work!
Stoke will surely have known this lad will be sold on for big money, so I'm sure we'll get a percentage of whatever fee Burnley receive.
It's a process of negotiation, there isn't a standard sell on clause every club has to use, the club has lawyers and as long as the clause is not void for uncertainty then it's a valid clause and you can agree to whatever is appropriate.
Eg, if the club has fucked themselves by saying they'll accept 20% of any profit only that burnley make in a resale, then there's no hiding place for them, they shouldn't have accepted a shite initial transfer fee on that basis, because every fucker that saw him knew he'd be their best defender once he'd played a few games.
|
|
|
Post by sheds1862 on Jul 11, 2022 19:29:33 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? I’m sure a league two club received a windfall a few years ago for a player that had transferred twice. I can’t remember who though. I guess it depends on the initial agreement between Stoke and Burnley That was Exeter mate with Watkins. But it wasn't to do with the fee from Brentford to Villa it was linked to him getting an England cap. I'm with the others .We'd get anything above 12 . If he goes again we'd get nothing.
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 19:40:52 GMT
via mobile
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 11, 2022 19:40:52 GMT
We get what we get and we have to deal with it and use it as best as we can. On one hand, it's frustrating as we have owners that have the funds and desire to seriously invest but can't because of the stupid rules. On the other hand, it's totally their fault for blowing the one opportunity we had when we handed the 50M+ war chest to an absolute imbecile. We knew the rules when we were throwing 19M around at Clucas, Woods and McClean and a further 22M at Ince and Afobe like pissed up, lairy idiots on a night out around Hanley. We are now living through the hangover. . Bit of a guilt trip that was if you ask me. No net spend the previous Summer “Don’t know what all the fuss is about”. Talk about fucking imbecile’s.
|
|
mr
Youth Player
Posts: 420
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 20:05:49 GMT
via mobile
Post by mr on Jul 11, 2022 20:05:49 GMT
I’m sure a league two club received a windfall a few years ago for a player that had transferred twice. I can’t remember who though. I guess it depends on the initial agreement between Stoke and Burnley That was Exeter mate with Watkins. But it wasn't to do with the fee from Brentford to Villa it was linked to him getting an England cap. I'm with the others .We'd get anything above 12 . If he goes again we'd get nothing. Ah that was it! So Exeter did receive an additional fee from a sell on that Brentford had with Aston Villa.
|
|
|
Post by J-Roar on Jul 11, 2022 20:29:53 GMT
He isn’t our property anymore so how can we? We agreed a fee with Burnley and whatever follows that transfer ….once that’s been done it’s no longer a concern of ours thereafter and we can’t stake a claim That scenario would be between wolves and Burnley Or have I missed something? And then if he leaves the bigger club for Real Madrid we'll make more money. He's the magic money tree that never stops. If we signed him from Real Madrid the kick backs we'd get would mean they would owe us money on the deal.
|
|
|
Post by JesusisaStokie on Jul 11, 2022 21:27:58 GMT
Always assumed that % of next sale deals are added as a alternative to putting cash up front or cash over x amount of time. I think legally the term used is transfer compensation. So Stoke would be entitled to x% of all transfer compensation received by Burnley in regard to Nathan Collins.
If our sell on is 20% of their profit we will receive 20% of all money they receive for Collins over £12m (if that is the condition of our sell on clause!)
Its all about conditions of sale which we'll never know.
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 23:01:34 GMT
via mobile
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2022 23:01:34 GMT
Hopefully Burnley will insert a sell-on clause so, if Wolves sell him to Man Utd for big money next year, they will get a windfall and we can claim a percentage of it. It doesn’t work like that It kind of does. FIFA have rules like that. We can’t dictate it though it’s set in guidelines and up to an age. It’s complicated.
|
|
|
Collins
Jul 11, 2022 23:04:21 GMT
via mobile
Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2022 23:04:21 GMT
Always assumed that % of next sale deals are added as a alternative to putting cash up front or cash over x amount of time. I think legally the term used is transfer compensation. So Stoke would be entitled to x% of all transfer compensation received by Burnley in regard to Nathan Collins. If our sell on is 20% of their profit we will receive 20% of all money they receive for Collins over £12m (if that is the condition of our sell on clause!) Its all about conditions of sale which we'll never know. It doesn’t have to be a percentage though and there are plenty of examples where it hasn’t been. But we have no idea what the sell on is.
|
|
|
Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 11, 2022 23:06:43 GMT
The moment Burnley were relegated the opportunity for silly money passed unfortunately......
|
|