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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 19:23:36 GMT
He was. He was one of the best centre backs in the world for his age. He still is. And we barely used him. Is this the same Collins that got made to look like an amateur by Tom fucking Pope? That Collins? One of the best centre backs in the world 😂😂 Ah classic oatcake. Slate a young lad for one thing despite the rest of the evidence showing it's a load of shite.
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Jun 28, 2022 19:24:58 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 28, 2022 19:24:58 GMT
Clearly viewed highly in the game by who? Being classed as the one of the best three under 21 England qualified keepers isn’t any kind of gauge is it? I mean it clearly is. It shows that there’s not a great deal of depth in our national teams goalkeeper resources. Who’s he keeping out of the squad?
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Jun 28, 2022 19:29:32 GMT
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jun 28, 2022 19:29:32 GMT
Is this the same Collins that got made to look like an amateur by Tom fucking Pope? That Collins? One of the best centre backs in the world 😂😂 Ah classic oatcake. Slate a young lad for one thing despite the rest of the evidence showing it's a load of shite. Slate him? No I'm slating you for talking nonsense. On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world get taught an absolute lesson by an aging no mark lower division cart horse? On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world have an average 1st season in the 2nd Division? On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world sign for a nailed on to be relegated Burnley?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2022 19:33:21 GMT
Ah classic oatcake. Slate a young lad for one thing despite the rest of the evidence showing it's a load of shite. Slate him? No I'm slating you for talking nonsense. On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world get taught an absolute lesson by an aging no mark lower division cart horse? On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world have an average 1st season in the 2nd Division? On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world sign for a nailed on to be relegated Burnley? Planet bayern🤣It orbits the Oatcake about a thousand times a day
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2022 19:35:24 GMT
No. Should have told them to fuck off and taken the points deduction. And you know for sure that would have happened? Oh Jesus. Is that where we are, trying to prove negatives? I'm confident we needed to sell. And I'm confident that we would have bargained harder if we hadn't needed to sell. Can you come up with a more plausible reason?
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Jun 28, 2022 19:47:33 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 28, 2022 19:47:33 GMT
And you know for sure that would have happened? Oh Jesus. Is that where we are, trying to prove negatives? I'm confident we needed to sell. And I'm confident that we would have bargained harder if we hadn't needed to sell. Can you come up with a more plausible reason? Not at all, it's more the other way and how some people will not have a single negative thing said about the manager/board/club. All I said is that we sold him too cheap and massively under valued him and that is now coming to roost. I don't think (albiet I am not hugely au fait with FFP) failure to sell Collins would have lead to us falling the wrong side and points deduction etc. We have got a habit as a club of getting nowhere near what we can for our best assets IMO.
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Jun 28, 2022 19:48:48 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2022 19:48:48 GMT
He was awful Bayern , just because you don’t think he was doesn’t make you right , just look how many don’t agree with you He wasn't. And the second bit makes me think it even more. Google England U21 goalkeepers. It's not a great list - Steve Simonsen is on it for one thing!
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Jun 28, 2022 19:50:26 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 28, 2022 19:50:26 GMT
Oh Jesus. Is that where we are, trying to prove negatives? I'm confident we needed to sell. And I'm confident that we would have bargained harder if we hadn't needed to sell. Can you come up with a more plausible reason? Not at all, it's more the other way and how some people will not have a single negative thing said about the manager/board/club. All I said is that we sold him too cheap and massively under valued him and that is now coming to roost. I don't think (albiet I am not hugely au fait with FFP) failure to sell Collins would have lead to us falling the wrong side and points deduction etc. We have got a habit as a club of getting nowhere near what we can for our best assets IMO. Why would we have sold our best asset on the cheap if not? It doesn't stack up. Who haven't we got their true worth for? Arnie was a good profit and Zonz was going to leave for nothing. Can't think of any other notable sales in the modern era.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 28, 2022 19:52:49 GMT
Ah classic oatcake. Slate a young lad for one thing despite the rest of the evidence showing it's a load of shite. Slate him? No I'm slating you for talking nonsense. On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world get taught an absolute lesson by an aging no mark lower division cart horse? On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world have an average 1st season in the 2nd Division? On what planet does one of the best young centre backs in the world sign for a nailed on to be relegated Burnley? The lad is being touted at £40 million as a 21 year old... I will put my bollocks on the block now and say he will play for one of the top European teams before he's 26
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 28, 2022 20:00:49 GMT
Nixon speculating at them getting "close to 30"
So we could maybe get £3-4m depending on the exact clause?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 20:01:56 GMT
He wasn't. And the second bit makes me think it even more. Google England U21 goalkeepers. It's not a great list - Steve Simonsen is on it for one thing! Good Champo goalie.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 28, 2022 20:36:52 GMT
Nixon speculating at them getting "close to 30" So we could maybe get £3-4m depending on the exact clause? £30m seems like a fair price to me, hopefully a bidding war will push it up beyond that though......
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Jun 28, 2022 20:48:12 GMT
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Post by banksy1art on Jun 28, 2022 20:48:12 GMT
Wow 30million for him? That transfer could decide our season
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 28, 2022 22:00:30 GMT
IMHO Collins will be a far better player than Souttar. No disrespect to HS to whom I offer my best wishes for a speedy and successful return to 1st team football This from December 2021. The sentiments remain.
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Post by ricksastokie on Jun 29, 2022 0:25:02 GMT
He’s seriously underrated on here. He will be better than Hudson who isn’t spoken about outside the Potteries. He’s next level good. I’m not sure why people can’t grasp this. Sometimes, in fact often, your dogmatism is astonishing, you would have made quite some politician Bayern. You can take an advasorial position and right or wrong, defend it against overwhelming opposition. I admire your ????? whatever it's called. chutzpah? extreme self-confidence or audacity.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jun 29, 2022 0:27:48 GMT
I mean it clearly is. It shows that there’s not a great deal of depth in our national teams goalkeeper resources. Who’s he keeping out of the squad? No expert but..surely a salient point?
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Jun 29, 2022 8:26:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 8:26:42 GMT
Bayern, you don’t half throw some whoppers out there. Best player Stoke have owned in 60 years? Let’s just ignore Hudson, Banks etc then 😂 I think he stands an excellent chance of being better than both. The biggest load of bollocks ever written on this message board.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 29, 2022 8:46:03 GMT
I'm surprised how many seem to not rate him all that much, he may not end up being one of the best ever but I do think he'll be a better player than Huth or Shawcross, I think he has more in his locker than both of those had.
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Post by independent on Jun 29, 2022 11:38:17 GMT
I think he stands an excellent chance of being better than both. The biggest load of bollocks ever written on this message board. Predicting what 16 year olds will become top players has proven almost impossible for all clubs. Utd, Liverpool, Man City etc. all run academies and have put at least 5000 players through their hands over the last 10 years.Yet every one of them constantly buys in players for their first team. How many players have come through from 16 and are playing for the same team in the Premier league? I would think a very small percentage. And this is with the best coaches working with the best prospects from all over the world. Southampton probably have the best hit rate of all.
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 29, 2022 13:16:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 23:41:30 GMT
I'm surprised how many seem to not rate him all that much, he may not end up being one of the best ever but I do think he'll be a better player than Huth or Shawcross, I think he has more in his locker than both of those had. He's better than Shawcross was at the same age. He has a long way to go to better Huth, but that's not to say he won't eclipse what Huth did in the game. Not convinced it's about people not rating him, more that Bayern is going massively over the top as per usual. One thing Bayern is right on though, is that he didn't get enough games at centre back for us, which is probably why a lot of Stoke fans haven't really seen his true potential.
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Post by Northy on Jun 30, 2022 8:20:44 GMT
It shows that there’s not a great deal of depth in our national teams goalkeeper resources. Who’s he keeping out of the squad? No expert but..surely a salient point? The team in your picture aren't doing too well these days.
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Post by barrythe on Jun 30, 2022 9:11:45 GMT
Go get 40mil Nathan. Become the saviour of Stokes ffp situation once again lol 🙌. Hope he continues to have a great career 👍 👏
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Post by moon on Jun 30, 2022 9:30:47 GMT
I'm surprised how many seem to not rate him all that much, he may not end up being one of the best ever but I do think he'll be a better player than Huth or Shawcross, I think he has more in his locker than both of those had. He's better than Shawcross was at the same age. He has a long way to go to better Huth, but that's not to say he won't eclipse what Huth did in the game. Not convinced it's about people not rating him, more that Bayern is going massively over the top as per usual. One thing Bayern is right on though, is that he didn't get enough games at centre back for us, which is probably why a lot of Stoke fans haven't really seen his true potential. We were pretty well stocked at CB at the time though, had he stayed another year I think he'd have found himself at CB for us anyway. I got the impression that the vast majority of fans here rated him highly, but he did have a few errors in him in his last year here (which is to be expected of any player of that age) - and whilst he had potential he wasn't at the point where you'd put him down as one of the first CBs on the team sheet.
He's a better footballer technically than Shawcross was at any age, but as a CB who defends I don't think he's as good as Shawcross was at that age, he joined us at 19 and played 41 games in the Championship that year followed by 29 and 28 games in the premier league the following 2 seasons, and was ever present after that whenever he was available for selection. In comparison, Collins played 22 games for us in his last season here and 19 at Burnley last season (not sure how many he started), he may turn out to be a better player and perhaps is more suited to the modern game, but he has a long way to go and he's still right at the start of his career. I wish him every success.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jun 30, 2022 10:41:25 GMT
It's very well "wanting" that amount. Getting it is a whole different ball game however. Let's hope the interest being shown (especially by the shit) achieves the higher value.
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Post by femark on Jun 30, 2022 11:46:54 GMT
Google England U21 goalkeepers. It's not a great list - Steve Simonsen is on it for one thing! Good Champo goalie. He was excellent for us in the championship. Not sure how anyone can use him as an example of England U-21 keepers being shit.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 30, 2022 22:50:38 GMT
IMHO Collins will be a far better player than Souttar. No disrespect to HS to whom I offer my best wishes for a speedy and successful return to 1st team football This from December 2021. The sentiments remain. I think you’re right. If Souttar was better than Collins they would have sold him instead for more money. The thing about most center backs is they are better as a pair (in a back four) than they are alone. Collins and Souttar were arguably the best two center back combination since Shawcross and Huth, who were probably the best combination since Bloor and Smith - they don’t come along very often. Unfortunately O’Neill favors a back three, which requires a different skill set and meant we could sell one of the two. The injury to Souttar guaranteed we’d be weak at the back and was a major factor in our failure to make the playoffs.
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Post by maine on Jul 1, 2022 0:15:07 GMT
I think Smith and Dodd were the best combination I've seen for Stoke. Collins reminds me quite a bit of Dodd, They both have/had a destructive side , whilst having excellent control and passing abilities.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 1, 2022 4:40:11 GMT
I know exaggerating for attention is bayern's 'thing', but Jesus Christ he's going nuclear on this thread.
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Post by David Brent on Jul 1, 2022 5:38:12 GMT
What’s our sell on clause?
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