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Post by yeokel on Sept 8, 2022 12:39:25 GMT
"... but yeah build more windmills thats the solution.." Well, it IS part of the solution. Only a fool would think otherwise. How's that worked out for Germany than look at what happens to the used non recyclable blades..... I don’t know. I thought we were talking about the UK though?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 8, 2022 12:41:31 GMT
That's not correct the statement said: A typical UK household will now pay no more than £2,500 a year on their energy bill for the next two years from 1 October This will be achieved through a new Energy Price Guarantee which limits the price suppliers can charge customers for units of gasIt's just a price per unit cap. I'm like you Andy and not on mains gas. Has it been established how they are going to separate out how much of the £2,500 average cap is going to be allocated towards electricity and how much is going to be allocated towards heating and cooking supplies? Regardless of the (so far) lack of help for, in your case oil and in my case lpg, if the entire (average) £2,500 cap gets allocated against just my electricity, then it won't help us in any way. They said they are going to have a separate policy for people who use LPG such as caravan parks etc but not been announced yet.
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Post by yeokel on Sept 8, 2022 12:41:36 GMT
Fair enough. But if it is capped by unit. Its still going to be those in the biggest houses, with the private pools and heated floors who save the most money. I doubt my energy usage comes anywhere near these millionaires. So if I use 1000 units and the price should be £1 per unit but is capped to 70p per unit. Then I save £300 But a wealthy person with a mansion may use 4x the amount as me usually. So I with this support they will save £1200. And then I'll face another fucking 20 years of austerity paying for the electric and gas of wealthy billionaires. I'd rather them do fuck all tbh if this is their solution. I agree. I still can't get my head around how it can possibly work for me not on gas I agree. We are not on mains gas either and I haven’t heard LPG get a mention at all yet.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 8, 2022 12:46:00 GMT
Depends on how much you use. If you’re below average you’ll pay less and vice versa. I think the costs per KWH are published. But the £2500 is the total for both? Not individual energy ie £2500 Gas and £2500 Electric? Both. I think.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 8, 2022 12:46:15 GMT
That's not correct the statement said: A typical UK household will now pay no more than £2,500 a year on their energy bill for the next two years from 1 October This will be achieved through a new Energy Price Guarantee which limits the price suppliers can charge customers for units of gasIt's just a price per unit cap. I'm like you Andy and not on mains gas. Has it been established how they are going to separate out how much of the £2,500 average cap is going to be allocated towards electricity and how much is going to be allocated towards heating and cooking supplies? Regardless of the (so far) lack of help for, in your case oil and in my case lpg, if the entire (average) £2,500 cap gets allocated against just my electricity, then it won't help us in any way. I find it almost impossible to imagine. In the last 24h the only thing that I can imagine works is. They set a max price per kWH electricity They set a max price per unit gas They set a max price for lpg/kerosene/biomass The first two would be set at the £2500 average home level. The last one seems virtually impossible to me since we both buy directly from the open market not a fixed supllier. They can't control pump prices for petrol so I can't see how they can fix price for lpg/kerosene/biomass.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 8, 2022 12:58:20 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment.
My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable.
We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 8, 2022 13:00:56 GMT
It's a fucking joke that's what it is. Cunts like Jacob Rees Mogg with his Adams family offspring and big mansion will pay no more than 2.5k? But someone like me living in a flat with my partner and alot less usage than the average household will save sweet fuck all? Because my usage wouldn't be over 2.5k anyway. Don't worry that's not how it will work, the 2.5k is the estimated amount based on average usage. Say you are Nadhim Zahawi, instead of paying 6.5k to heat your stables you will probably be looking at a figure of around 10k. If you use more then you will pay more but we will all pay at the same rate although as some clever person has already said the rate is 2.5k - 0.4k for 6 months and then it goes us to 2.5k after that.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 8, 2022 13:01:13 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. True enough but it buys us time and quite possibly prevents a deep recession. Suspect there will still be some kind of recession. Allowing fracking and the ability to use our own gas within the next 12 months is a good move too. Let's hope the pound can gain some ground back on the dollar and euro after these latest announcements.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 8, 2022 13:03:44 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. True enough but it buys us time and quite possibly prevents a deep recession. Suspect there will still be some kind of recession. Allowing fracking and the ability to use our own gas within the next 12 months is a good move too. Let's hope the pound can gain some ground back on the dollar and euro after these latest announcements. Why would it ?.... I can't see anything here which is going to help our ailing currency, which is the biggest problem of all for me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 8, 2022 13:06:47 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. This is why Martin Lewis has been tearing his hair out all summer. Whilst the Tory government has spent the last 7 weeks naval gazing over a new leader, absolutely bugger all has been done to address the catastrophe that has been coming down the tracks for months. Now the wolf is literally at the door, we are, as you say, left with an ill thought out policy rushed through in days with lots of holes in it.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 8, 2022 13:10:55 GMT
I'm like you Andy and not on mains gas. Has it been established how they are going to separate out how much of the £2,500 average cap is going to be allocated towards electricity and how much is going to be allocated towards heating and cooking supplies? Regardless of the (so far) lack of help for, in your case oil and in my case lpg, if the entire (average) £2,500 cap gets allocated against just my electricity, then it won't help us in any way. They said they are going to have a separate policy for people who use LPG such as caravan parks etc but not been announced yet. She said something about a fund for people with oil (it may have been LPG but I don't have an ear for the technical vocab on this) where I think she said it was to produce the same level of support but the vague nature of the comment would make me think they've not got a plan yet.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 8, 2022 13:13:45 GMT
Fair enough. But if it is capped by unit. Its still going to be those in the biggest houses, with the private pools and heated floors who save the most money. I doubt my energy usage comes anywhere near these millionaires. So if I use 1000 units and the price should be £1 per unit but is capped to 70p per unit. Then I save £300 But a wealthy person with a mansion may use 4x the amount as me usually. So I with this support they will save £1200. And then I'll face another fucking 20 years of austerity paying for the electric and gas of wealthy billionaires. I'd rather them do fuck all tbh if this is their solution. I agree. I still can't get my head around how it can possibly work for me not on gas It doesn't just like theprevious cap didn't. The Department of Business and Energy's view is thst there is sufficient competition in the oil market that means intervention is not required. That's not my view so don't shoot the messenger.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 8, 2022 13:42:02 GMT
How's that worked out for Germany than look at what happens to the used non recyclable blades..... I don’t know. I thought we were talking about the UK though? We are but you suggesting we take a route other countries have already tried, Germany invested massively in renewables €hundreds of billions, they currently have plans for rolling blackouts and troops on the street.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 8, 2022 13:48:36 GMT
True enough but it buys us time and quite possibly prevents a deep recession. Suspect there will still be some kind of recession. Allowing fracking and the ability to use our own gas within the next 12 months is a good move too. Let's hope the pound can gain some ground back on the dollar and euro after these latest announcements. Why would it ?.... I can't see anything here which is going to help our ailing currency, which is the biggest problem of all for me. I don't think anyone can say anything about the global economy with any certainty at the moment but this gives some room for optimism. www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/1-truss-energy-plan-helps-120125700.html
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Post by yeokel on Sept 8, 2022 13:56:18 GMT
I don’t know. I thought we were talking about the UK though? We are but you suggesting we take a route other countries have already tried, Germany invested massively in renewables €hundreds of billions, they currently have plans for rolling blackouts and troops on the street. They are planning for blackouts, if indeed they are, because they've closed all their nuclear plants and placed far too a heavy reliance on Russian gas deliveries. To conflate that with accepting that windmills, along with solar, wave power, tidal barrages, etc should not be part of a long term energy strategy for a country (every country) seems to be missing the point to me.
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Post by gawa on Sept 8, 2022 13:57:55 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. While I agree that we all need to look at our usage and see where we can make changes. I don't understand why our electricity has went up so much when 45% of the electricity we used in 2020 was from renewables. I suspect that number is closer to 50% now.
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 8, 2022 14:02:04 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. We are doing a similar thing in our household. The £2500 cap is very high just not catastrophic so I think people are still likely to have an incentive to have close look at their usage and what changes can be made to save on bills. We will be definitely looking at what we can do further.
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Post by yeokel on Sept 8, 2022 14:02:19 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. While I agree that we all need to look at our usage and see where we can make changes. I don't understand why our electricity has went up so much when 45% of the electricity we used in 2020 was from renewables. I suspect that number is closer to 50% now. Because the price of electricity is directly linked to the price of gas even if gas is not involved in the manufacture of the electricity. She said, today, that they are going to break that link.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 8, 2022 14:03:56 GMT
I agree. I still can't get my head around how it can possibly work for me not on gas It doesn't just like theprevious cap didn't. The Department of Business and Energy's view is thst there is sufficient competition in the oil market that means intervention is not required. That's not my view so don't shoot the messenger. Like in the gas market? It's ridiculous isn't it? Logs are double last years price because of the war in Ukraine, companies are burning wood in electricity power stations even today!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 8, 2022 14:12:16 GMT
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 8, 2022 14:16:59 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. The thing that's pissed me off as much as anything else about this situation is the way they've been allowed to bump the standing charges up by the same percentage as the cost per kWh. As far as I know, distribution costs haven't increased by so much as to justify this, and putting the increases on the unit cost would be an even greater incentive to economise.
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 8, 2022 16:27:28 GMT
But the £2500 is the total for both? Not individual energy ie £2500 Gas and £2500 Electric? Since war started in Feb I've had to buy £3000 of oil and I'm due a fill up, they can't retrospectively discount that can they? My current leccy DD is £180 increasing to £250 so I'm told. So I reckon £8000 on energy in 22 seems likely before Oct when this kicks in. Just home and catching up on the news. I have a similar question. I assume the cap only applies to electricity - how the hell do I save. T £4k to £5k oil bill ontop on the leccy
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 8, 2022 16:29:30 GMT
I agree. I still can't get my head around how it can possibly work for me not on gas It doesn't just like theprevious cap didn't. The Department of Business and Energy's view is thst there is sufficient competition in the oil market that means intervention is not required. That's not my view so don't shoot the messenger. Competition in the oil marketplace for heating oil effectively acts like a cartel
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 8, 2022 16:48:22 GMT
This is a shockingly ill thought out policy - borne out of the new PM being desperate to be seen as a woman of immediate action. The more we subsidise the energy companies, the more money flows directly abroad because we've allowed our energy companies to be bought up by European owned competitors. The emphasis should be on saving on usage, which would have helped the economy and the environment. My bills are forecast to reach a painful £4600 annually, so the standing order has gone up to over £400 a month, but so far this year we've reduced gas usage by 25% and electricity by 12% - without any noticeable downsides, just by being a bit more careful and aware. I'm certain we can do as much again. This has to be the way forward for households such as mine - not government subsidies. Bailing everybody out instead of allowing those capable of doing so to sort it out for themselves is unsustainable. We need a massive dose of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" a la JFK. True enough but it buys us time and quite possibly prevents a deep recession. Suspect there will still be some kind of recession. Allowing fracking and the ability to use our own gas within the next 12 months is a good move too. Let's hope the pound can gain some ground back on the dollar and euro after these latest announcements. People need to not get too excited about fracking. Here's the current Chancellor explaining why a few months ago www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kwasi-kwarteng-said-fracking-bad-for-communities-and-countryside_uk_6319827be4b082746bdbdc6d
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 8, 2022 17:16:39 GMT
Indeed. Whilst some people vet excited about the fact that in theory you can get a shale gas well up and running in 30 days thrre are other issues. Surveys are patchy so we don't really know how much we've got (or not got). Without the surveys we don't know where to drill. Drilling it is one thing, transporting it is another and the pipeline infrastructure takes a lot longer to put in place than the well. Gas is sold at market price and whilst production may contribute to energy security it won't be in sufficient volume to affect price. In other words the principle beneficiaries will be the energy companies not the consumer (fancy that).
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Post by elystokie on Sept 8, 2022 20:11:25 GMT
We should surely be in a better position in Stoke than most places having spent fuck knows how much and how long on that underground heat extraction system I can remember sitting for hours in traffic over.
Anyone any idea what's happening with that?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 8, 2022 21:22:28 GMT
We should surely be in a better position in Stoke than most places having spent fuck knows how much and how long on that underground heat extraction system I can remember sitting for hours in traffic over. Anyone any idea what's happening with that? Absolutely fuck all. £19m in the ground and consultants pockets and it doesn't work. It drives me wild. The council keep trumpeting The Goods Yard (£16m levelling up money, and a £41m loan), it's literally over the road from the main infrastructure for the DHN and they won't connect it. Regarding fracking I do believe there were some trial wells dug up cocknage road way maybe.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 9, 2022 7:05:08 GMT
We should surely be in a better position in Stoke than most places having spent fuck knows how much and how long on that underground heat extraction system I can remember sitting for hours in traffic over. Anyone any idea what's happening with that? Absolutely fuck all. £19m in the ground and consultants pockets and it doesn't work. It drives me wild. The council keep trumpeting The Goods Yard (£16m levelling up money, and a £41m loan), it's literally over the road from the main infrastructure for the DHN and they won't connect it. Regarding fracking I do believe there were some trial wells dug up cocknage road way maybe. All those hours spent sat in traffic whilst they dug up Leek Rd half a dozen times was for nowt then, I wish I was surprised
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 12, 2022 7:54:08 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 12, 2022 10:00:38 GMT
Wholesale gas prices have halved in the last 20 days, looking forward to seeing the suppliers adjust their prices accordingly..........
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